mr. picker, i think you are off base here. i think self is an excellent basketball coach. at oru he took a program that was awful, and restored it to respectability. he schooled a real overrated coach, steve robinson, while on the sideline at oru. at tulsa, he took the program farther than it had ever been. his record in the ncaa tournament at tu was 4-2. the leg break comment is unfair, simply because, there is no way tulsa would have played the bearcats in round two. and at illionois, i believe he became the first coach ever to go to two straight elite 8's with separate teams. he also recruited luther head, dee brown, augustine, powell and, of course, jack ingram. he was directly responsible for the illionois's run the nc title game. and i think i would look out for kansas this season. they appear to be the lock of the century to win the big 12. with rush, wright, and chalmers the jayhawks may be the most talented team in the country.

getting to the final 8 when you're supposed to be in the final 2, that's just not right.

check all excuses at the door this time around.

i would say norm stewart was more overrated than bill self. never seen a program say they have such a grand basketball tradition with no final fours than mizzzzzzzzzou. btw, coach o'rourke say hello.