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"Handled Internally:" With Kid Gloves?
Published:
2/23/2011 3:31 PM
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2/23/2011 3:31 PM
When somebody commits a crime, violates the law, the charges and consequences are a matter of public record.
When an athlete commits a crime, the university end of the punishment or discipline is "handled internally."
Most everybody does it that way.
If a player is subsequently tossed from the team, or suspended, then the university action is obvious.
Otherwise, it's a secret.
Handling something internally is the universally correct way to say it's none of your business.
Students have lots of rights.
It stands to reason that broken team rules would be handled internally.
But an official crime seems a little different, particularly if it was commited by somebody on scholarship at a state school. You wonder if "handled internally" means running extra stadium steps, or if it means no video games between the hours of 3 and 5 a.m.
True, what your boss does about your behavior at work is nobody's business. Except that it probably goes in your file. Letting a coach handle internally the university end of a crime sounds a little too warm and cuddly.
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wgspost
(last year)
Lawrence Phillips had most of his problems "handled internally" by Osborne, Bush was pretty much "handled internally" by Carroll, Maurice Clarrett was "handled internally" by Tressel... The dichotomy you've illustrated between violating team rules and violating state and/or federal law is a very good one indeed. Interesting.
Rizzle
(last year)
Isn't there a tradition of universities acting "in loco parentis" toward students who foul up? I seem to remember something where universities in the past were handling sex crimes their students committed internally rather than turning them over to the police. Of course, I could have my institutions mixed up, ehh.
But What Do I Know?
(last year)
If it's a public school could the information be obtained by some sort of freedom of information (act)?
wgspost
(last year)
As the parent of a university student, I know there is a "bill of rights" that stipulates a student's grades and record are his private property and that any disciplinary measures taken on scholastic or behavioral matters are handled internally...and confidentially. I also know that if the student violates laws the parents are contacted and the confidentiality goes out the window. I would assume that is charges are filed against a student, it would and should become a public record available. So, when an athlete creates a public disturbance and is arrested, it is usually made public (e.g. when Bowmar got drunk and fell out of a moving pickup, we knew about it...). But if the punishment is indeed handled internally, I suppose I can understand that. It would be nice to know, however, that the felonious athlete's punishment would be the same as that of an ordinary student...say, one that doesn't run a 4.3 forty.
Hedged
(last year)
Maybe the athletes just write them a big check later on down the line? That's a risk most money hungry universities are willing to take.
Thunder196
(last year)
Sometimes they just don't like telling people how many lashes with a wet noodle the student got across the wrist.
toph
(last year)
Wow way to reach here Picker. The student will still be punished for the crime by the state. This will be a matter of public record. So you feel that all team punishment should be a matter of public record also. Does it really matter. These guys are getting double punishment anyway to some extent. The normal college student will not get extra punishment from their chem prof for getting a dui. So really what does it matter? If a serious crime is committed these guys almost always get the boot. Way to look for somethign to stir the pot during a slow news cycle.
Marathonman
(last year)
I am not trying to judge the actions of the athlete or the school, but the truth is, Picker, it ISN'T any of your business. What's it to you?
SixGunSam
(last year)
The acceptance of any punishment handed down by a school or a coach is voluntary. The student athlete in question only endures those punishments as a condition of remaining on the team in question. There are options. That student athlete doesn't have to endure those punishments.
Individuals found guilty of crimes (confession or otherwise) that are not student athletes normally face many additional punishments other than just that which the Court hands down. It's not at all unusual for there to be additional sanctions at one's workplace, with one's family, or within society at general.
There should be no distinction within the Law based upon one's status as a student athlete, a politician, a rock star, or any other societal status. Such distinction only serves to subvert the Rule of Law and without respect for the Rule of Law, there is anarchy.
Equality under the Law. Justice need be blind to race, creed, religion, and societal or celebrity status.
Society has a stake... EVERYONE has a stake... Picker included. Yes it is everyone's business to see that the administration of justice is dealt out equally for all.
Boog
(last year)
And I suppose you want to know what punishment his parents deal out to the "wayward" student.
I agree with Marathonman-it's not any of the pickers business or anyone else's for that matter.
SixGunSam
(last year)
Why does a parent ground a kid when they know he or she will have to tell their friends that they can't come out and play and why?
Why did Mike Gundy make Jamie Blacknik and Victor Johnson's Stairmaster time and game suspensions so public?
Confirmation!
If a tree falls in the forest and there's no one there to hear it fall, does it still make noise when it falls?
Secret sanctions are akin to an un-witnessed tree fall. The presumption of noise is rendered mere speculation.
MexiMike
(last year)
Pick, please stop trying to put lipstick on a pig.
Your reasoning for wanting punishments made public is as laughable as it is transparent. You don't care about the morality or justice of it all.
You and every other media member just want to know how he is being punished so that you can critique the punishment itself. Too harsh? Not harsh enough?
Surely not just right. Heavens no, that doesn't garner enough attention for a storyline...
dcood
(last year)
Mexi: Your opinion wouldnt have anything to do with the fact the ole Picker is referring, in code of course, to the rape allegations of an OSU!!! player would it??
SixGunSam
(last year)
Each and every taxpayer in the United States of America, every taxpayer in the Great State of Oklahoma, every alumni, every season ticket holder, and everyone that sports the Brand has a vested interest in how these schools are represented by their respective coaches and scholarship athletes alike.
The last I checked both OU and oSu sported the name of the State and owed their very existence as institutions to the generosity of both the Citizen's of Oklahoma and the United States of America.
Your darned toot'n that they need to be every bit as accountable to their vested shareholder's proxy as a Corporation needs to be to theirs.
The Progressive notion that a given program might gain independence from the scrutiny of its vested ownership is misguided to say the least. The lands that their facilities set on and the name-sake on the Jersey's they wear is the property of the peoples of the Great State of Oklahoma. Like public employee union's and Statist politicians, forget that cold hard fact at their own peril.
wgspost
(last year)
Six-shooter Sammy...if a quarterback falls out of a truck in a drunken stupor and no one is around to see it, does he still make noise when he hits ground? In space, no one can hear you scream...
When did you become so erudite? I agree with everything you've said.
MexiMike
(last year)
Actually dcood, he was referring to the recent OU players. Take off the crimson blindfold for a minute.
By the way, the OSU case you are referring to wasn't handled internally. Travid Ford made it quite clear to the public that Williams was suspended indefinitely.
Any other gems of wisdom?
dcood
(last year)
Sure I do...if anyone needs to take off the school-colored glasses, it's you. Youre as big an aggie as any with the classic aggie fence riding: one minute we're the class of the league with the facilities and the ridiculous salaries and the most absurd ticket pricing policy in the history of college athletics (that only osu people and the golf coach seem to understand) and the next minute it's we're just 'poor old osu' and never get a fair shake...blah blah. And before you accuse me of wearing the crimson glasses, Ill be the first to say OU hoops is disgraceful and the dude oughta be shown the door.
MexiMike
(last year)
Dcood, what on earth are you talking about? You said that the picker was referencing OSU's situation when he was actually referencing OU's situation.
That's all I was pointing out.
Go take a nap.
Glenn616
(last year)
I never understood the part of handling something internally. Are the punishments so light that these schools are embarrassed to say so publicly?
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