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If USC is stripped of '04 belt, OU shouldn't wear it
Published: 5/24/2010 7:55 AM
Last Modified: 5/24/2010 2:59 PM

"The race for the 2004 national championship in college football is about to get interesting," Kevin Scarbinsky wrote in the Birmingham News over the weekend.

You've heard that the NCAA is finally ready to nail USC for the Reggie Bush era, and that penalties could include forfeiture of that '04 title. Auburn fans can't wait because they're hoping their beloved Tigers, who joined USC with a 13-0 record in '04 but were left out of the BCS championship game, might win the title by default.

Oklahoma fans can't wait because they've developed a pretty strong dislike of USC since the 55-19 Orange Bowl humiliation that capped off the Trojans' '04 run. Might they also be motivated by the possibility of an eighth national championship? After all, the Sooners finished second in the final BCS standings.

From everything I've seen or heard, the answer to that is absolutely not. OU's fan base might be rabid, but it's not delusional. Not on this topic. The Sooners' 36-point loss to USC is a stain that won't be cleaned by anything the NCAA does to the Trojans.

The Tigers finished ahead of OU in the final '04 AP and coaches polls. The No. 3 Sooners were a lot closer to finishing fourth in both than they were second.

I suggest the '04 championship be left vacated should USC be stripped, since the Trojans were so superior to everybody else on the field, regardless of the cheating that was taking place off it. But if we must have a winner, Auburn is in much better standing than OU.

"Sooner or later," Scarbinsky writes, "the title would have to be decided by a game of rock, paper, scissors between Bob Stoops and Tommy Tuberville."

It won't get that far. Or it shouldn't. Tuberville/Auburn represent the rock in this debate, Stoops/OU the scissors.

-- Guerin Emig

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Guerin Emig
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Reader Comments 16 Total

DomoArrigato (3 years ago)
Under the pre-BCS system things were very arbitrary as to who was the National Champions...with split championships resulting several times...now under the BCS system things are very arbitrary with the removal of USC as '04 Champions then the number 2 team should be elevated....OU. Would USC have won that game if Reggie Bush had been declared ineligible? No one can say for sure...and no one can say that Auburn was a better team than OU and should be given the title. The right thing is to elevate the nuber two team.
lovethemsooners (3 years ago)
Nope! Don't want any part of this title. Regardless all the "what if's". What if Bush hadn't played.....what if M. Stoops was still the d coordinator. Forget it, if the title becomes vacated and they have to give it to someone, give it to Auburn.....they could use one more than we could anyway.
ken7 (3 years ago)
Hey Dom, I did not not know Bush played defense and helped hold your gooners to only 19 points!! LOL LOL
Ignatz (3 years ago)
OU would have beaten Auburn.
SoonerBabyBoomer (3 years ago)
Aw, Ken7, it must be hard to be a fan when another team's loss means more to you than your own team's victory.

Surfin'USA (3 years ago)
As an OU alumni sitting in Southern California that night I can guarantee that the Trojans would have won that game without Reggie Bush. I hate to say it, because I endured the cat calls and had to pretty much store away my OU gear for nearly 3 years to get out from under it. There is no doubt USC beat the Sooners like a bass drum that night.

If you think it was a long night in Oklahoma, I was with sympathetic Sooner fans that are California natives. I was so embarrassed by the Sooners effort I left the watch party during the 3rd quarter even though my friends didn't want me to leave.

OU had one good drive in the first quarter then, beginning with the muffed punt by Mark Bradley, turned the ball over 4 more times to set up USC opportunities. Matt Leinart threw 5 touchdowns and by half time the Sooners had no answers.

"We just got whipped," coach Bob Stoops said. "You really soul search as a coach how this could happen."

I only felt better about OU the next season when I saw them in person beat Oregon 16-14 in the Holiday Bowl here in San Diego.

USC should be dethroned as champions. The evidence against Reggie Bush and family for taking money from promoters is overwhelming.

When it happens, the Championship has to go to Auburn. No question. A common perception nationwide is that Oklahoma "games the system" on BCS (untrue) and gets all the breaks.

If we are awarded the Championship over Auburn's perfect season after a 36 point loss against USC, the howls would be loud and long against the Sooners. Who needs the grief over old business?
coweta (3 years ago)
Sooners only disliked USC because of Pete Carroll. We also disliked that USC was getting away with NCAA violations left and right, but wasn't being pursued in the least. OU has had their share of violations (intentional and not), but we seem to get hammered pretty quick; not 5+ year after the fact.

If they want to bump us up to #1, fine. But I don't think we should put the title on our list of championships. We didn't earn it, it would be given to us by default. That being said, I don't think there will even be an issue because the NCAA won't make them vacate any wins, and R. Bush won't speak a word to them.
hootie (3 years ago)
If the BCS takes away a championship, then the NCAA should go back and do the same! Championshios should be reveoked for ANY team in ANY sport that went on probation after winning a championship!
bravo (3 years ago)
agreed. We didnt earn a championship (like USC didnt earn theirs when they were left out and went undefeated) and dont deserve to state that we "won" anything. We got rocked, blasted and run out of the stadium that night. Vacate the win and rain shame upon USC. They should be vacating regular season wins as well ( I assume they will be).

The NCAA doesnt have any clout over the BCS anyway.
tulsandn (3 years ago)
I had moved to this area right after Thanksgiving & there is no ABC broadcast, so I could only listen to the game on the radio....

Thankfully I have no visual memory of that game, I saw a picture in the Daily Oklahoman but I never read the story, I knew all I needed to know....

It would be sad & depressing to see OU try & claim the championship of that year....
Dethklok (3 years ago)
It doesn't matter who would have played USC that year, USC would have dominated Auburn just as bad as they dominated us. Reggie Bush wouldn't have made a difference to us, because Matt Leinart(sp?) killed us through the air. If I remember right, Bush only had about 100yds on 25 carries (well below his average that year), but Leinart had around 400 passing yards.

If they want to award a champion, it should be a split between Auburn and OU because both teams were 12-0 before their bowl games. You can't speculate who would have won between the two, so you have to split or void the 2004 champion all together.
52favoriteteacher (3 years ago)

One free national title

Not exactly free
Deep In The Heart (3 years ago)
The BCS has already addressed the issue: Wins vacated because of NCAA sanctions will cause a vacation of the National Championship (ie there will be no 2004 BCS NC)
The other National Championship is the AP. Auburn was the #2 team, so they will assume the AP crown, unless the AP calls a re-vote as they did for the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. Personally, I don't see the re-vote scenario, but this is new territory, so who knows?
Fred Orth (3 years ago)
It is very difficult to state, but, USC was the best team, regardless who they were matched against. Granted, OU clearly did have an off night, but, they had a tremendous season and should be proud of their achievement. I am both proud and grateful for their effort.
trapper john (3 years ago)
OU scored first...doesn't that count as a win?
Woofer (3 years ago)
USC could not have gotten there with out BUSH. He was a huge difference maker in many games that year. That would similar to saying OU would have beaten FSU if Josh was not the QB...would not have seen the inside of the stadium. DQ USC, Split it up with AU and OU>
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Tulsa World Sports Writer Guerin Emig has covered University of Oklahoma football and men's basketball for the Tulsa World since 2004. He lives in Norman, where he keeps the fact that he is a University of Kansas graduate on the down low.

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Tulsa World Sports Writer Eric Bailey covered TU sports before coming over to the OU beat. He came to the Tulsa World in September 2004 after working eight years at the Springfield (Mo.) News-Leader. He attended Haskell Indian Nations University and the University of Kansas, where he was a 1996 Chips Quinn scholar, a national award given to minority journalism students.

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