If Tulsa is so great and the BOK is so great ... why is Tulsa never mentioned to get an NBA team, why does Tulsa still have a AA team? Exactly why is taxpayer money being used for a 19,000 seat arena? The Talons?

RR,
You encompass everthing bad about Tulsa. Is character defined by telling everyone how great and better you are? What exactly is their to be optimistic about Tulsa's downtown? No plan other than an arena and a poplulation so scared to move anywhere north of I-40 because they may meet someone who makes less than 30K a year and is a different color? Good luck getting them to come downtown. Hey maybe you can carve out another section of south Tulsa ala UNION and create a new downtown for the rest of your rich white racist elitists. Like every other snob in Tulsa you need to realize OKC is a destination point and their downtown is everything we wish ours could be. Face it. Have you even been to the Ford Center? Or downtown OKC. I know you thank OKC stole the hornets but it was leadership that brought them to OKC and that is the leadership that Tulsa lacks. Just like the piss poor vision 2025 and now the river master plan. Can anyone step up and bring people together in this city?
Oh by the way our Tulsa Leaders are so excited about downtown they are now moving on to river development.
What about Clay Bennett and the Sonics? Oh yeah your faithfull and professional journalists in Tulsa probably forgot to inform you they will be coming to OKC, but I am sure you knew that.

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JDG - I'm not sure how race got brought into this, but I don't appreciate being called out for something I didn't say one thing about. If you take racial overtones in what I had to say, then that is your problem. I am a firm believer in equality and that all people deserve to be judged on their individual merits and not the color of their skin, but that's not the issue here. The issue is the two major cities of this state and I am of the opinion that Tulsa is a far more cultured community, and that inlcudes African-Americans, people of Asian decent, and any other ethinc background and also caucasians. Again, there were no permanent tenant slated for the Ford barn when it was built, the idea is to create a centerpiece for your downtown community and begin the growth. Without that arena, there is no inspiration for business to invest in the downtown area...i.e., restaurants, hotels, etc. If you believe that the BOK Center is going to sit idle, then you truly are naive. Tulsa has always been a place where organizations have wanted to take their events (NCAA tournament, major concerts, large business conferences and more) we just had to upgrade our facilities to bring these people back. As for my unfavorable look at OKC, it's not a white/black thing, it's a red dirt thing!! Real quick, as for the blitz, personally, I don't care to watch it, it has nothing to offer me whatsoever. You like it, that's great, but as a Tulsa resident, I have no need for an Oklahoma City sports update. They don't show the local St. Louis sportscast in Kansas City, Milwaukee and Chicago are an hour apart, but the local Milwaukee broadcast isn't available to the Chicago metroplex. If I want to see local sports, give me the Tulsa perspective, if I want a broader look, I'll turn to ESPN!

Picker quote," so we can concentrate on what matters, picking winners, stamping our stupidity, identifying incoherent homers."

OSU vs. Georgia...step up
OU vs. Miami.....glad they are playing in Norman.
OKC vs. Tulsa, what? I thought we were concentrating on what matters. Please embrace all facets of what makes our state cool.
PGA vs. NBA .....The eyes of the world will be on Tulsa soon. Nobody watches NBA, except for the mob.

The NBA? If I wanted to watch a bunch of corrupt refs and players who don't give a hoot most nights, I'd watch more OU and OSU basketball.

Hypocrite!!!! You know if the NBA was coming to Tulsa you would be excited and bragging how OKC is not a major league city. And if it wasn't for Oak Tree's demise in 91 they wouldn't have had the 94 PGA not SH. Oak Tree is know where near as revered as SH but they have hosted a major
championship.

Do you want to even talk about the numerous concerts and national conventions (2010 Mayors Convention,Big 12, all picked over Tulsa) held in OKC? I believe the Ford Barn has ranked one of the Top ten national venues in terms of ticket sales since 2002!!! You sound and act like a red headed step child.

RR,
Go to OKC and visit automobile alley, heritage hills, nichols hills, Gallardia, SW OKC, NW 23rd (deep fork, mushashi, and etc.) the capital, lake hefner and then base an opinion. I am not saying OKC is better just a pretty nice place to live that does have assets. As with anything it is easy to ensensuate the positives of where you live and ensensuate the negatives of somewhere else without having any basis for your opinion.

I could easily point to the large amount of gang violence, murders, numerous bad areas of town (south peoria, 51st and lewis near SH, north tulsa, 31st & Garnett ish, SW Blvd and etc.) terrible roads, poor leadership, dowtown life, the Tulsa attitude (RR,the picker, YODA, and etc.) and form a pretty negative opinion of Tulsa.

The sword cuts both ways.

Tulsa and OKC are like apples and oranges. Both taste great but are very different. I just wish Tulsans would take as much pride in the state as a whole as they do in Tulsa. I can assure you the people of OKC certainly do.

Do I take pride in Dallas? Kansas City? Fayetteville? Guymon? Of course not, I am from Tulsa, those places aren't mne to take pride in, therefore I don't take pride in Oklahoma City, it's just another city, but a pretty dirty one! By the way, it's Oak Tree is "nowhere" near as revered as SH, not "know where"!

RR,
It is mine not "mne" b****!

JDG...here's a thought...don't criticize someone else for their spelling when you hammer out your notes like a drunken gibbon yourself (e.g."know else" when you obviously intended "no one else"). And it isn't 'ensenuate'...it's 'insinuate'. And it isn't 'are fair city', it's 'our fair city' (this could take all day)...and it isn't 'their is plenty of trash in this city', it's 'there'. But you're right about Tulsa not being the Paris of anyplace, let alone the midwest. Twenty-five years ago, before the inundation of the barbarians, it was a pretty nice place to live...and more cosmopolitan than OKC (which isn't saying much). But today, with the exception of the plebian area in the far southeast and the old money around 21st and Peoria, it's a blighted mess. And hey, TAB, you actually have thoughts on something? What a revelation.

LOL....I'm a native Tulsan and I'm fond of the city for a variety of reasons, but that doesn't prevent me from looking at its blemishes with my rose-colored glasses off. But TAB's comment about people from Tulsa being generally more sophisticated and interesting is completely breathtaking in its stupidity. I suppose TAB will extend his generalization and typecasting theories to include those lazy hispanics, industrious Germans, and, oh yeah, let's not forget those affable snow creatures north of our border, the Canucks.

TAB, you're even thicker than I thought. The first thing any student learns in the most rudimentary psychology class (if not in life prior to taking that class...) is that you can't make blanket generalizations - period. I know many OKCitians and, having grown up in Tulsa, I've known many T-Towners and there are people from both metropolitan areas that I'd have dinner with at a 5-Star restaurant and there are even more, in both places, that I wouldn't be seen at McDonalds with. The Picker has a built-in bias against the OKC sports media, but that is somewhat different. He's basing his bias on behaviors of a specific set of people.. But your blanket criticisms of the state capital are just embarrassing.

Hard to say my generalizations are embarrasing. Oklahoma City is embarrasing. Bochump keeps taking the bait. LOL.