All of the talk about OKC being a "big league" city is starting to get old. We will see how big league OKC is when the Seattle franchise arrives and starts asking for realistic NBA ticket prices. Yeah, you can put a lot of meat in the seats when you are selling discounted tickets just to get people in the arena. We shall see....

OKC can have all the major league teams they want but they will still be OKC. They are a dirty nasty city. Always has been, always will be. Downtown OKC ain't nothing but a diamond in a goats ass.

Hey sports fans. Don't forget we have the Henry Primeaux "highly successful" arena football team. Henry said if we didn't leave the old convention center open until the new area is finished he would have to consider moving his "highly successful" franchise. Henry, I am thinking Muskogee. The highschool gym is nice.

Picker,
You play the victim well. For the record, I live in TULSA.

Yet another back handed comment about OKC being less cultured. Look at the reponse from the Tulsa people. See #1,& 3. This is the attitude that permiates from Tulsa.

I spent two weeks in OKC about a month ago and found surpisingly that OKC offers every bit the art and culture as Tulsa. See the civic center, philharmanic, ballet, stage center, lyric theater, OKC museum of art and etc. However, the only difference is they don't shove it down your throat as the only selling point of a city.

How many tourism dollars does OKC draw versuses Tulsa? For the record.... It is like 500 to 1. So, OKC is far more a destination spot for people outside of Oklahoma than Tulsa. So yeah Picker people are vacationing there.

I know all the people in OKC are poor white trash, but those who make those assertions from Tulsa should pull out of the drive way of their mansion and drive around their own town and wake up (see anywhere besides Midtown and South Tulsa). If OKC is judged by the sum of its parts than Tulsa should be as well.

Quick poll. How many that live in Tulsa and post here have been to a performance at the PAC or been to one of the museums?

I think you will find you where these facts like a badge of honor but have never taken the time to check them out yourselves.

TRUE CLASS

JDG...okay, I'm sold. Let's see now...which sterling venue should I haunt first during my upcoming pilgrimage to OKC...the Cowboy Museum? The Animal Husbandry Insitute? Dennys? I've heard that OKC's nickname is 'Oklahoma City...Gateway to Tulsa'.

JDG, you must be sick. Now you claim to be a self-loathing Tulsan? You spend 2 weeks in OKC and now you are an expert as you pull these bogus stats out of your butt? Grow up! Better yet, get out! Move to OKC and become a true expert. Good Riddance!

5. 4/1/2008 8:35:30 AM JDG wrote:

"Quick poll. How many that live in Tulsa and post here have been to a performance at the PAC or been to one of the museums?"

Answer: Well, that depends on which museum to which you are referring. Philbrook = ~20; Gilcrease = ~12; Tulsa Air and Space = 2; Greenwood Cultural Center = 1. And I've been to the zoo at least a hundred times with my kids. I know it's not a "museum" by the definition to which you use the word, but it's still technically a "living" museum.

How many trips have you made to any of those I listed, or any of the many others I have yet to grace? Don't answer. Doesn't matter. You'd probably lie anyway.

For the record, you can't say, "for the record" and then pull out some cokamamie line about tourism (or any fact) without first knowing such fact. When you say, "for the record," and follow that up with some random, out of the sky phrase, you look foolish. Of course, it IS April Fool's Day today...

Jeff, I been to many more intersting places in Tulsa than you mentioned. I've hung out with the Latinos at 21st and Mingo, I've dodged small-arms fire at 15th and Harvard, I've been down to OK Bail Bonds more times than I care to tell you, I've gotten ptomaine from Carls and picked up a little something only penicillin can kill down at Greenwood and Archer. I remember the Denver Grill and the Tulsa Theater, The Metro and Charlie Mitchells and I've lived with the hounds 'neath the overpass at 11th and Denver. So don't be tellin me how Tulsa dont stack up to OKC.

First,
Grew up in OKC for 23 years. Lived in Tulsa for going on 8 years.

Go to the Oklahoma Bureau of Tourism and research yourself. The information is there to gather. You may also see OKC see will soon be a tier 2 convention city. Which should give an idea of the number of events/conventions held in OKC that draw people from out of state. I believe Tulsa is currently a tier 4 city.

In addition, I have family who are very involved in Allied Arts in OKC and the endowment and public partnership is very impressive. I beieve in 07 the philharmonic alone sold over a million dollars in tickets and the endowment is over 10 million.

Go to okccvb. org for tourism info to verify the info below and fill free to go to the greater okc chamber site and visit the allied arts page to verify attendance and endowments info for all cultural programs.

Yes, I have been to the Philbrook, Gilcrease, Tulsa Air and Space, and The Greenwood Cultural center multiple times and they are all First Class.

However, I have also been to the Oklahoma City Museum of Art, the Oklahoma Science Museum, the Cowboy Hall of Fame, Lyric Theater, Shakepere in the Park at the Outdoor performing center in the Myriad Gardens, Civic Center Music Hall for the phylharmonic (which in Feburary featured a concert with Art Garfunkel which I attended), Oklahoma historical center, the OK indian art gallery, and the Ron Norick Dowtown library.

These are all very nice facilities.

I am not saying one is better than the other. Tulsa certainly has a long history of supporting all forms of art. OKC is certainly not at that level. However, the arts have certainly been thriving in OKC for the last 10-15 years and is getting better and better but to act as though OKC has Zero culture is absurd.

Chris, nice argument that Tulsa fills more seats for these events than OKC. Prove it with numbers and thank you for proving my claim with opinion not fact and wearing your culture like a badge fo honor.

I enjoy Tulsa and I also enjoy Oklahoma City. However, I do have to say, Tulsa reminds me of the movie Sunset Strip. The actress, Gloria Swanson played a fading actress who's heyday had come and then ended. Tulsa once was a cosmopolitan, clean city but to be quite truthful, it has became just an average city. If it were not for Midtown or Brookside or parts of South Tulsa, then I would have to say, Tulsa is becoming a dirty, "dated" city. Oklahoma City has a much "brighter" future! Sorry to offend the T-town folks:)