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Poll Axed
Published: 9/22/2008 4:10 PM
Last Modified: 9/22/2008 4:10 PM

At least the BCS cheating is starting early.

What's wrong?

You mean besides Georgia being ranked below OU?

First, Georgia is demoted one spot for a narrow victory at the old bull coach's place, at South Carolina.

South Carolina has a nice defence and no offense. The way the game played out, a SC runner fumbled into the Georgia end zone, so the demotion from second to third in the polls made sense.

This week, OU was off, and Georgia went on the road to play a ranked Arizona State team and mopped the field with the Pac Ten squad. Granted, the announcing team of Brent Mossyburger and Kirk Homerstreet was pretty disgusting in the amount of glory it spooned onto Georgia. But the win was impressive. If Georgia deserved to be dropped a week before, it should have been elevated past OU this time.

The way it stands now, and could stand later, is the best team in the best conference wouldn't be in the title game!

I'd rate 'em this way now: Georgia, OU, USC.

OU and Georgia resemble one another. We'd give a slight edge to Georgia at quarterback; a slight edge at runner; a push at receiver; a slight edge on defense.

Another poll joke is Wake Forest way down at 15 or 16.

It just went on the road and held Florida State to a field goal.

Come on voters, don't make the BCS any more depressing and unfair than it already is.




Reader Comments 32 Total

Nit Picker (4 years ago)
World Picker:

Two reasons you are so full of it your eyes have turned brown;

1st: Georgia beat a team from the "joke" conference (your words, not mine)-explains why their win got so little credibility
2nd: OU is not the best team in the Big 12 until they win the Big 12; ergo, Georgia is not the best team in the SEC until they win the SEC.

If you weren't such a hack you would realize how lame your analysis is.

Not to mention that you have missed the biggest poll mis-ranking in modern times.
I'm certain you are too wrapped up in OU bashing to see it though.

You should be fired.

PS. I'd give a slight edge to waiting until the games are played before declaring a winner....as well as a loser.
cyco myko (4 years ago)
Licker, I'm sure you've heard the phrase about not losing your position to injury, i.e.: not playing. Wouldn't knocking USC and OU down in an off week be sort of like punishing them for not playing? Georgia is good, no doubts there. But why demote a team for an off week? Everyone gets them, and I'm sure Georgia will be given the same deal in their off week.
A 4-Team playoff, as you and others have suggested, is the only thing that will make the BCS anything less than the joke it has become. Especially since not every conference even plays a championship game. This is the real joke.
PW (4 years ago)
Picker,

Seriously, Stafford over Bradford at QB? One is a darkhorse Heisman Trophy candidate. The other is still working on living up to his high school press clippings. I think right now OU and Georgia are interchangeable at the #2 spot. Give Georgia the edge at the running back spot. This OU team is reminding me somewhat of 2003....great passing offense, serviceable running game. It'll shake out in the wash. If Georgia goes undefeated in the SEC, or takes only one loss, that's going to hold more weight right now than OU losing one in the Big 12.

Looks like the TU QB has different thoughts on who should be starting than the popular opinion....kicking a-- and taking names so far...

So, who finishes last in the Big 12 South?....A&M or Baylor?
Pick Me (4 years ago)
I can't beleive what I am reading- the Picker must have fallen and hit his head.

You are seriously whining about OU being ahead of Georgia, based on the fact that Georgia beat a not great Arizona St? Please don't tell me you have already decided who is the best team in the SEC after 3 games.

You also think Georgia has a better QB than OU? What is it, the 60% completion rate or the whopping 5 touchdowns?

Come back here after Georgia plays Alabama THEN you might have something to whine about.
Arthur (4 years ago)
Nit Picker,

Do you really look through all of the picker articles to try and come up with quasi-double talk? Honestly, unless you have something besides just world picker bashing, why are you talking at all?

I disagree with the picker on a couple of things. I don't think Georgia's play against ASU really warranted pushing them ahead of a team that we didn't get to see play that week. I don't think it's a good policy to punish teams just because their bye week is that week. Georgia did what a number three team should do. They didn't completely dismantle ASU like USC did to Ohio State, but they had a solid victory.

I am in agreement though that it is questionable that the best conference may not have a team in the national title spot. If 'Bama, Florida, Georgia, or LSU aren't in the title game, that raises some questions about the BCS system. Unless OU wins very convincingly against Texas and Mizzou and both of those teams are still ranked in the top-10(I don't think either will be top-5) at the end of the season, then they should be left out. USC hosted what looked to be a top-5 team and at least a top-10 team to most voters. They destroyed that team. They took what was a great defense and still worked their offense very well. OU has yet to and may not do something similar to that this season.

Any of the aforementioned SEC teams are going to play at least two top-10 teams and for a couple of them, 3. I just don't think Texas Tech, Mizzou, or Texas are top-10 teams this year and I think that will be apparent as the year progresses.

Maybe I'm wrong, but if I'm not I definitely won't post insult laced rhetoric on the picker's blog if he does disagree with me. There are more important things in life.
PW (4 years ago)
Picker,

Seriously, Stafford over Bradford at QB? One is a darkhorse Heisman Trophy candidate. The other is still working on living up to his high school press clippings. I think right now OU and Georgia are interchangeable at the #2 spot. Give Georgia the edge at the running back spot. This OU team is reminding me somewhat of 2003....great passing offense, serviceable running game. It'll shake out in the wash. If Georgia goes undefeated in the SEC, or takes only one loss, that's going to hold more weight right now than OU losing one in the Big 12.

Looks like the TU QB has different thoughts on who should be starting than the popular opinion....kicking a-- and taking names so far...

So, who finishes last in the Big 12 South?....A&M or Baylor?
JC (4 years ago)
LSU is the only top 5 team that has played legitimate competition. (And don't tell me that USC faced serious competition with Ohio State. That would be a joke.)

I think they have proven themselves and if the polls are truly a snapshot of football today, they should be higher.
Arthur (4 years ago)
Honestly, Ohio State was highly overrated and probably is still slightly overrated but do you really think they aren't a top-25 team? At this point it's really hard to say that Ohio State is worse than Auburn. On the other hand who doesn't see it as there being 4 teams in the SEC that could be competing for the national title, 2 possibly, emphasis on possibly and likely only 1, teams from the big 12 and 1 team from the pac-10 doing the same. It's hard to rank them that way though. Is the SEC really that good? I think so but I'd still have a hard time putting three SEC teams in the top-5.
gus (4 years ago)
OSU afraid to play TU in football. If they played, probably about the same score as Lobo game. OSU duckers just cheating the fans while padding schedule.
Dash Riprock (4 years ago)
This weekend will...

Tell us how good OU is against a quality defense (no Cincy wasn't great on D like TCU is)

Show the college football world that Saban has transformed Alabama back into a legit contender in the SEC and not just a 'possible darkhorse'. Watch out in Athens, Bama is for real.

Show the Orange Posse that a win against Troy in Stillwater will mean absolutely nothing...except for the players who suffered a little gut pain last season on the road at Troy.

Side note to Arthur: Are you telling us you don't believe that Mizzu is a legit top 10 team? I know you said that will be 'apparent as the season progresses' but that can be said for almost every team 3 through 10, don't you think?
Bixby Jeff (4 years ago)
Gus, OSU and TU do have future games scheduled. Those that were afraid to play TU are no longer there. But, schedules are made years in advance so it takes a while to get someone back on your schedule once the decision is made to do it.
Arthur (4 years ago)
No, I think there will be four teams from the SEC emerge as legitimate top-10 teams. Texas is better than Mizzou. OU, USC are both better as well. I believe that puts at the bare minimum 7 teams in front of Mizzou not counting the likely Texas Tech's of the world and BYU, Utah, which all have looked as good and in my opinion better than Mizzou this year. If you want to talk about suspect defenses look no further than Mizzou. Mizzou's defense looks worse than Tech's and doesn't seem to have quite the offensive fire power. Don't get me wrong Mizzou is good but not top-10. It's a hyped pick that last year lost both games played against a top-10 team, OU. Let's not forget OU wasn't exactly a top-5 team last year either. It suffered three losses and somehow still knocked Chase Daniel completely out of the Heisman hunt. Mizzou is still good. Don't misread me or put words in my mouth, but not that good. I think even OSU will give Mizzou fits. I expect a close game with Mizzou coming out on top in a shootout.

On the other hand in the SEC, all of those four teams have to play at least two of the other legitimate top-10 teams. For some of them that means even playing two top-5 teams and that doesn't even include the fact that most of them play Auburn as well and I would put Auburn ahead of Mizzou. It would be one thing if Mizzou played Texas and OU and beat one of them. I don't think that will be the case. SEC is ridiculous this year and Mizzou is getting hype points from last year. Remember what happened to them in the Big 12 championship after receiving the hype points? Same song different verse.
MIKE (4 years ago)
World Picker, a team cannot and should not lose their ranking in a bye week. With that being said, shouldn't that also mean they can't be rewarded for not playing either by moving up in the rankings? That's quite a paradox.

NIT Picker, I miss your musk.

PW, a fight between A&M and Iowa State for the cellar.

Gus, it's pathetic how hard you try.

Arthur, I think you are right about Mizzou BUT that still doesn't mean they'll be left out of the top 5-10. Even if they go to Texas and lose, they still play in the questionable North. All they need to do is keep winning against the likes of ISU and KSU and they'll move up as the SEC beats up on the themselves and inevitably, move down. Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with how good your team actually is; it merely depends on how weak your schedule is/opponents are. Actual talent will be trumped by perceived talent via the BCS poll everytime. Go ask last year's Hawaii team.
gabe (4 years ago)
What a waste of time, the polls don't matter until at least halfway or 3/4 to the end of the season. Let's see how OU plays Texas and Georgia plays their SEC schedule and how USC plays against the lowly PAC10 before determining rankings after only 3 games. Come on...
World Picker (4 years ago)
Arthur, good point about Missouri. There is an odd Missouri vibe going on among Tiger fans themselves, it's as though they're waiting for the past to catch up with them soon, probably at Texas.

Why people go so crazy about the home field is hard to figure. It comes into play the most if you're not elite; maybe doubting Missouri fans know their team best. If Missouri has to lose a game, there's no doubt losing to Texas is better than losing to Nebraska.

Those who think early polls aren't important are wrong.

What if all three major teams go through undefeated? What if USC is undefeated, and the Big 12 and SEC winners have one loss?

The poll voters are extensions of the fans. The voters are the only protection against rotten scheduling. Their actions should be thoughtful. Most times, though, they vote a particular way so nobody will yell at them.

I would vote them: Georgia, OU, USC, in that order, and would have Wake in the top ten.
Interested Bystander (4 years ago)
Throw another coal on the KOTV impartiality discussion. They just ran a story about a Lasick surgery place that has gone out of business and left its customers in a bad place; the problem is that KOTV and its parent have sued the same company for not paying bills owed to them for advertising. But, of course, they don't mention that.
bla (4 years ago)
I usually agree with the Picker and his nature of being unbiased. I don't agree that OU or Georgia should be rated over USC...hate to say it but USC is easily the best team this year if healthy and motivated. Great D, great O...best coach in the country. I am also not a huge fan of Sam Bradford, but he is a better QB than Matthew Stafford simply in terms of consistency. One week Stafford looks great, the next you wonder if he has ever played the position before. Bradford always gives a consistent effort and allows his team to win. Stafford may have better Pro potential...but that's not what we're grading are we. The fact that TU is not ranked in the top 25 is shameful...they do everything every other team does and beats the crud out of low teams and better than some and yet they have a soft schedule...OK well so does OSU...WASU is simply awful, Missou St (sorry, Springfield HS), and Houston (not the same Houston as the past 3 years)...TU's schedule to this point probably has been a little stronger if you want to know the truth. Yes, C-USA does not stack up against the Big XII in conference season, but at the end of the day, neither will OSU. Everyone raves about BYU's schedule...hmmm...Washington pretty bad with 1 good athlete and they needed to sneak out a win there. UCLA...awful....simply awful...Wyoming bad as well. The rankings are a sham and to the comment on that they don't make sense until later...in theory they don't, but for a team like TU to not be in the polls or on the radar at the beginning prevents them from moving in a poll to a place they need to be to vie for a BCS berth in the event more than 1 non-BCS team goes undefeated. If they held out on any poll until week 5, things will shake out and pollsters can look at a body of work, like a midterm ranking, and then move from there. There is a reason that the BCS rankings and the Harris polls don't release anything until after Oct. 1...fairness for all. The coaches should be taken completely out of the mix altogether..too many biases and reasons to vote for teams in your conference and too much influence simply because of the amount of money involved. Real fans want to see an exciting poll and have games mean something late and more than just certain games.
cyco myko (4 years ago)
I like USC, so it's hard to say this. But they simply shouldn't be thought they are as good as they are for beating no one. What if OU were in the PAC-10? They would cream their opponent every week also. If they are thought so highly for beating up on weak teams, then TU should be in the Top 5. Until the PAC-10 decides it wants to field Division 1-A (or whatever it's called now) teams, that conference should be considered on the same level as Conference USA or the WAC or the IVY League. Their teams are about as good. Just because they are affiliated with the BCS doesn't make the conference any better than the "lower" conferences.
JJ (4 years ago)
My Picker how you forget. The week of the OSU / Georgia game you argued that Bobby Reid was better than Stafford. You called Stafford a pick machine. That is a quote. Stafford is gifted but he is not nearly as consistent as Bradford. There is no edge I would say they are equal, with Stafford having more upside he isnt delivering.
World Picker (4 years ago)
Bystander: Disclosure is the whole point isn't it. Who cares who is on what payroll. Just come out and say it up front.

BLA: Exactly what has USC done besides beat a routine Ohio State? Moreover, what will it do worth of getting into the title game? Punish USC because its conference stinks? Yeah, why not, the whole system is foul.

JJ: I might have almost possible maybe been a tiny bit wrong about that Georgia qb.....plus, he's a year older and could maybe possibly be a little better; and he's on a much better team.
World Picker (4 years ago)
JJ, one way to guess who is the best team is by asking Vegas to put up a number. And one way to guess at the best quarterbacks is to ask the pros. My guess is at this point, the Georgia quarterback is a little higher rated than Bradford.
Interested Bystander (4 years ago)
Exactly my point. It made sense as a local news story. But if you let the viewer know that your station has been affected by them, too, and has a financial interest, you're at least transparent. It's not a reason not to do the story. Just be honest with us.

The other side of this, and this happens a lot, is that media outlets will run a story about a particular business that also happens to buy advertising from them. Heck, a lot of local tv outlets sell time on their morning shows to businesses. But, any intelligent viewer will know when they see the ad in the paper or at the commercial break that there was also a business relationship between the news outlet and the company.

What is happening in the case of Sports Blitz is that you have two journalists who are also paid employees of the school they are supposed to report on. When something controversial happens, a head's up that they are employees of those schools seems totally appropriate.

But rather than do the right thing, they just bury the issue. That's misleading.
World Picker (4 years ago)
Bystander: It's like a reporter being on the mayor's staff.....certain things would seem to trump free enterprise. In the very least, you should come on and say I work for OU, or I work for OSU, and now the sports. It's normal, even required, for people to be loyal to their bosses. The questions is, how can you be on one payroll and be objective over there? It's probably possible. Not ideal from a viewer's perspective. Disclosure would be one answer. Hi, Boomer Sooner, go Cowboys, poor TU, now the sports.
Nit Picker (4 years ago)
Arthur:
If you could read half as well as you babble, you might not babble so much.

One reason you are so full of it your eyes have turned brown:
"USC hosted .... a top 5 team...and destroyed that team."
OSU is as overrated as your long, boring, quasi-double-babble posts.
Nit Picker (4 years ago)
World Picker and other Know It Alls:

This stupid debate about being "objective" is pathetic.
World Picker is not objective and he is not on any team's payroll. He is simply not objective. Anyone with an IQ comprised of three digits knows it.
So what.
It is his right to be biased, as well as ignorant.
The same goes for commercial radio sports talk shows. (At least these guys aren't hiding behind anonymity like World Picker is.)
It is a total non issue.
Get over it, chumps.
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