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TU Hoop Coach Deserves Better
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1/14/2009 12:54 PM
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1/14/2009 12:54 PM
The Picks would like to take a moment to apologize to TU basketball coach Doug Wojcik for whatever that was surrounding the Memphis game Tuesday night.
Some said it was a crowd.
It looked more like a bunch of tourists.
We're not complaining about the size of the crowd. We'll leave that task to the media members who get in free. We're talking about the nature of the crowd, which seemed medicated.
It looked like a hospital zone.
It looked like those people were watching a program at the library.
Honest to goodness, a TU guy dunked a nice one and got for his efforts POLITE APPLAUSE.
The home court is supposed to be an advantage.
This was like a prayer vigil with thoughts taking precedent over vocals.
Sure, the crowd nearest the court is not what you would call youthful. Guess what, that's the way it works most places. You pay your money, you get the sweet seats.
And TU's student body is small.
But there is no excuse for acting like a bunch yahoos, yokels, pouters and whiners. If you go to the game, act like you want to be there and support the team, or give your tickets to somebody who will.
You know how they pipe in cheeping bird sounds at the Masters?
This is one of few college basketball venues where they need to pipe in crowd-support noise.
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Ian
(4 years ago)
Picker, I don't know what game you were watching last night. I was five rows behind the TU bench and the last 8 minutes or so of the 2nd half was deafening. I saw people going berzerk after Uzoh's dunk off the steal. Also, there were so many turnovers (most of them unforced) the crowd didn't really have a chance to get frenzied for long periods of time. This is a really really tough loss for TU and C-USA in general.
TAB
(4 years ago)
C'mon Picker . . .
Yes, the crowd should be better. That's nothing new. They are inconsistent, pouty, and often not helpful. This has been going on for years.
At the end of that game, they woke up. You know that.
The fan your paper called out is a great fan that made a comment he probably shouldn't have.
Just like the comments about the crowd that Wojcik shouldn't have made.
If we're going to talk TU hoops, let's get it all on the table: 22 turnovers and you expect to beat Memphis? And you blame the crowd? There wasn't much to cheer about from the beginning of the game.
Woj is right, the crowd should help the players more and get them going. I've said it for years. You know that.
But, let's not leave the blame with the fans. It's year four and we don't have a point guard. Uzoh is a great player -- maybe the best since Seals -- but he can't do it all himself. If we had a marginal point guard, like Shawn Williams, we would have won last night. You know that.
Recruiting is a big part of this and in year four, we still don't have a point guard on a team coached by four former college point guards. We signed two point guards in the offseason and both left the team before the first semester was over. One of those point guards didn't start for his JUCO team. You know that?
Analyze that. Put all the cards on table. Until you do that, this discussion we've had for years will go nowhere. You know that.
World Picker
(4 years ago)
Bull.
The ushers should carry smelling salts.
TAB
(4 years ago)
Would the smelling salts help recruit a point guard? Let's put all the cards on table.
You must have been asleep the last five minutes of the game and needed the smelling salts.
You know I'm not defending the crowd. I think Kiss Cam is the worst promotion going, short of the Simon Says thing they do at the half. THey were playing George Thurgood during the last timeout -- which would have pumped up in the crowd in 1973.
There are a lot of factors to discuss. Don't be like Wojcik and only blame the fans.
At the very least, mention the guy shooting 58% from the line taking the technicals.
Put all the cards on the table or table the discussion.
World Picks
(4 years ago)
Here are a couple of trump cards: At least TWICE during the game, on major national television, the announcers commented on the lack of support from the crowd, not the size, the lack of cheering support.
It looked like a convention of mimes.
The team tried harder than the crowd, let me tell you that.
TAB
(4 years ago)
The team no doubt tried, but the talent level might not be there, especially at the guard positions. You can try all you want, you have to be able to pass, run, and shoot. Uzoh had ZERO assists. He's your starting point guard.
I don't take much of what Gottlieb says very seriously. That said, and as I noted below, the crowd should be better.
But it's not the biggest issue or the only issue. Why does TU recruit point guards who don't appear to be good enough to make it the whole year?
Why does Wojcik get a free pass from the local media on this issue? You guys get to go to the press conferences, ask the hard questions.
When Wojcik blames the crowd energy -- and I'm not disagreeing, it should be better -- I think he should also note that our guard play isn't good enough for the big time.
TU is an incomplete team, lacking talent at what should be the easiest spot for a school like TU to recruit. Until we address that issue and ask those questions, the discussion isn't complete.
This blog regularly calls out the homers in the local media. You become a homer if you don't ask all the questions.
World Picker
(4 years ago)
TU played a good team right to the wire in front of a light crowd.
That's improvement.
We don't want anybody run off. We want improvement from overrated stuff like OU's football defense.
Sure, most college coaches make enough so they can handle being tossed. And, true again, if a coach is good enough, he or she will work again.
Still and all, if you're serious enough to call for somebody's actual job instead of changes for the better, if you're all for the disruption of family, put down your phone, everybody can call and chat, won't that be fun.
JesseTU
(4 years ago)
What did Doug do early in the game to get the crowd into it? It is a two way street for sure. Certainly he learned last year that the Tulsa sports audience was fickle, but he hasn't adjusted to it in any way. Still just complaining about it.
I've read no media criticism of any of the coaching decisions that actually cost us that game. Reading your reports one would think Tulsa was forced to spot Memphis some points for lackluster crowd noise. The game is ultimately played on the court; we failed to prepare for the press, failed to have any set plays for in bounds or for offense, and ran our typical burn the clock and throw it up offense.
And, pop quiz, you have shooters on the court ranging from a near 80% free throw shooter to a 58% shooter. Who takes shots for a T? My secretary got that one right, our head coach didn't. Not THE mistake, one of many mistakes.
Certainly such things had as much to do with Tulsa's loss as the crowd. Then again, an abstraction like "the crowd" can't make your life difficult, the coach could actually be a hard target.
JesseTU
(4 years ago)
What did Doug do early in the game to get the crowd into it? It is a two way street for sure. Certainly he learned last year that the Tulsa sports audience was fickle, but he hasn't adjusted to it in any way. Still just complaining about it.
I've read no media criticism of any of the coaching decisions that actually cost us that game. Reading your reports one would think Tulsa was forced to spot Memphis some points for lackluster crowd noise. The game is ultimately played on the court; we failed to prepare for the press, failed to have any set plays for in bounds or for offense, and ran our typical burn the clock and throw it up offense.
And, pop quiz, you have shooters on the court ranging from a near 80% free throw shooter to a 58% shooter. Who takes shots for a T? My secretary got that one right, our head coach didn't. Not THE mistake, one of many mistakes.
Certainly such things had as much to do with Tulsa's loss as the crowd. Then again, an abstraction like "the crowd" can't make your life difficult, the coach could actually be a hard target.
TAB
(4 years ago)
C'mon Picker . . .
I didn't call for his job. I like Doug and hope he sticks around. But I feel like we don't get all the facts from him.
It's a two way street. Want the crowd to be louder? Play better. Commit fewer turnovers.
Want better recruits? Get the resources so we can really recruit nationally and let the fans know about what they can do.
More than anything, just talk to us honestly.
You guys at the World have the access. Ask the tough questions.
Like with OU, only the idiots are calling for the coach's job. Everyone who matters knows TU is better and that Doug can coach. If someone is calling for Doug's job, they are clueless.
But it's time to turn the corner. We don't have a point guard. Our shooters are average at best. Why did the only two point guards on the team quit?
You guys need to ask all the questions, not just put all the weight on the fans. It's a lot more complicated and the fans don't need to be kicked when they're down.
World Picker
(4 years ago)
If you'll recall, I was all over TU for dancing with glee at that post-season tournament for losers.
Listen, Stoops called for crowd support for those heroes who haven't won a bowl game in recent memory
Somebody needs to take note that in the recent past at TU, somebody had to ask for a pep band and cheering.
Say what you want. Memphis was in town. The game was on national TV. TU was one play from winning. It was like the Mute button was on.
Artie
(4 years ago)
Quit having coffee with Sittler.
TAB
(4 years ago)
The CBI was fun. Nothing wrong with it. I agree it's bizarre that TU fans get up for that thing and not for Memphis. It didn't mean much. They didn't hang a banner for it.
The fickleness of TU fans is a whole other issue. Tulsa is a weird sports town. Lots of entertainment options compete, ranging from your so-called Hubcap to the casinos. That's an excuse and the TU product should be better.
It's in part a chicken or egg thing. Get the fans excited, they will come. Doug is saying he wants the fans excited to get the team going. Both are great ideas.
But part of the problem is that this is a flawed team. They have great talent at two positions and some guys who just aren't going to Memphis at the other spots.
No doubt that Doug complained about the pep band and cheerleaders. That has been addressed; they had a band of some sort at every game over the holidays. The cheerleaders are more organized. That was good. He went above and beyond on that.
But we still have a flawed team. Your paper needs to ask the tough questions and not be afraid of making him mad or TU mad. Ask about the point guard. Ask about the Reese FT decision. (Did that even make the paper today?)
Until you do that, you are homers. Put all the cards on the table. The Hernandez story was sitting there, ripe for the taking, for over a year.
World Picker
(4 years ago)
Artie, Artie, Artie, Artie, Artie, Artie.....
Wreed22
(4 years ago)
OU football metaphors in a TU basketball story and comment section.
It is like American Culture seeping throught the world.
Good or bad, it is powerful isn't it?
wreed
(4 years ago)
Through Out. (Okay, I hired The Pickers' proof reader.)
Desert Rat
(4 years ago)
Seems to me the team really, really needs a true point guard to handle the ball and dish off to shooters! Until a point guard is recruited and stays, I don't see much hope of advancing any further than now! Goooo TU!
BK
(4 years ago)
I came home last night hoarse as were the people standing behind me.
However, there was a row of fuddy duddies that really should have stayed home and watched it on tv. There are too many of them that stare at those of us that are getting excited and willing the team to win.
If TU would EVER figure out how to manage a game with their music etc and get rid of that OBNOXIOUS guy that stands down near the tunnel ...the "screamer" they might get some organic, crowd initiated cheering going on.
We tried and everytime we did the band or the canned tunes would fire up.
World Picker
(4 years ago)
BK, it sounds like somebody at TU needs to come down from the penthouse and take a hand in coordinating some helpful action.
The Geezer question is a tough one to figure
They pay their money and sometimes act like it's a chamber music concert.
Perhaps a Geezer Education program would work. Get them some blue and gold earplugs. They can't turn those great seats into a continual eye of a hurricane with all the quiet.
TAB
(4 years ago)
Idea: maybe we can get Cherokee Casino to sponsor a bingo game for the bluehairs. That might get them out of their seats occaisionally. Then we change our point guard's name to "Bingo Uzoh" so the players think they are being cheered.
Beats the heck out of the subliminal advertising of table games to youngsters.
fumblerooski
(4 years ago)
are the players suppose to fire up the fans or are the fans suppose to fire up the players? many have noted the fans were more into it at the end but before that period the team looked as if it was sleepwalking through the game, why fault the fans if the TU play had them nodding off. i have to admit i long for those bill self teams that led the nation in scoring margin and would routinely go on a 20-3 run.....that's the kind of basketball that fans like not this 55-54, 22 turnovers, etc. i know these kids play their butts off but they don't appear to be having any fun, so why expect the fans to either. sorry coach but your style of play is boring.
jdg78
(4 years ago)
Fact: Tulsa is a mediocre sports town at best..... Unless the US opens rolls in and people from around the state are flocking to come catch a view or OU and OSU are playing in town......
Maybe we should look down the turnpike for how to support teams.
Redhawks draw more than the drillers and hold AAA attendance records.... Check
The blazers avg 3K more a game than the oilers and again hold AA hockey attendance records... Check
The Womens College Softball World Series and Olympic Trials set all time records.... Check
Big 12 b-ball is a sell out the mens games and shatters womens records...Check
NBA Thunder ranks in the top 12 of NBA attendance at 17K a game... Check
Big 12 Baseball Tournament attendance record held in OKC.... Check
NCAA Wrestling Championships sold out in OKC... Check
Womens NCAA B-Ball regionals consistenly sell out and they are hosting a regional final this year...Check
Men NCAA B-Ball 1st & 2nd round sell out consistently... Check
Senior PGA Championship draws record attendance.... Check
X-Games extremes sports on the river draw 20K last may... Check
Olympic rowing time trials draw 15k in one day on the OK river.... Check
Mute point... Tulsa has a long way to go in terms of being a decent sports town.
TAB
(4 years ago)
To review:
The Picker is a homer for Wojcik and does not analyze Wojcik's work objectively.
The TU fans aren't the only issue, or even the main issue. Get a freaking point guard.
The Picker needs a source other than Sittler.
World Picker
(4 years ago)
JDG78 is pretty close to right, you HAVE to win in this town.
The style of play being a negative is pretty goofy. You win them all 50-49, you pack the place. Doesn't defense still win championships?
It can be a long way back from a depression. Ask Notre Dame.
The point of the blog was and is, when somebody on national television says, repeatedly, the crowd stinks, it is absolutely a situation that needs to be addressed.
DRE
(4 years ago)
The crowd was dead at the beginning and warmed up. However, their were way too many folks sitting like it was church. A couple of points:
1) The team came out tentative and scared. This may have taken some enthusiam out from the crowd early.
2) The game was on tv. Face it, Tulsans don't go out on a weekday unless their is something special and if you can watch it on tv, forget about it.
3) People are staying away because they are trying to figure out Coach W. When Bill & Tubby were here, they got out in the community and became involved. Inspiring the crowd to show up, keeping them comming by winning.
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