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Two Scoops Please
Published:
2/7/2008 4:39 PM
Last Modified:
2/7/2008 4:39 PM
What follows is the most accurate college recruiting garbage, check that, college recruiting news, ever published.
We were going to run a list of all the schools that had their best recruiting classes ever.
To conserve space and time, we will instead run a list of the only schools NOT to have had their best recruiting classes ever:
North Central Wyoming Mountain Climbers (second-best recruiting class ever).
New Hampshire Normal and Mechanical (third-best recruiting class ever).
The second scoop comes in the form of a request.
Name a college football or basketball coach who has been fired for being lousy and has then wound up with a better coaching job.
Not like the current UCLA coach who was booted from Colorado for participating in games of chance -- coaches fired for being bad. Have any wound up with better jobs where they were greatly successful?
The point being, after three years of being bad, fire 'em. They'll be on TV as analysts years later if you can't find anybody better.
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TAB
(5 years ago)
Are you referring to Wojcik?
WORLDPICKER
(5 years ago)
TAB, what's up.
No, I'm not referring to anybody. Just the fact that so few coaches who are fired wind up with better jobs.
Matter of fact, are there any?
All those Notre Dame characters, the UCLA basketball guy never got any job off TV, the Nebraska football guy everybody professed to adore.
Maybe the point is: records don't lie.
john
(5 years ago)
nope can't think of any. now if eddie gets fired out at san fran after winning only 2 games then comes back and replaces sean.......hmmm
WORLDPICKER
(5 years ago)
It really is pretty amazing, all the agonizing that's done over keep him or her or don't.
But a three-year term has to be given -- bad luck, injuries, can wreck a team one year. But after THREE years, much is obvious. Such as skill.
JJ
(5 years ago)
in the interest of fairness, the current UCLA coach was booted from Washington, not CU. Not that it matters. Most coaches who go on & do a decent job at their next stop resign, before they can get fired.
JJ
(5 years ago)
It could be observed that this past year George O'Leary did a better job & had a better year than the man at Notre Dame.
WORLDPICKER
(5 years ago)
The Florida Directional job is better than the Notre Dame job?
Stop it.
WORLDPICKER
(5 years ago)
So nobody can think of one single human coach in college who got tossed for losing and wound up with a better job?
Talk about the point of the century.
Nit Picker
(5 years ago)
World Picker,
Your point is pointless, as usual. Your premise sounds like an excuse to continue to criticize coaches who make more money than you do. Sounds like you have a bad case of contract envy.
What is a "better job" anyway?
Getting fired and still being paid (until you get another job, maybe, depending on the package) for doing nothing except appearing on tv once in a while could be a much "better job" than the one you got fired from; er, I mean 'from which you got fired.'
How do you rate Steve Spurrier? Florida-NFL-South Carolina. Think he is complaining? Head coach at South Carolina not a 'better job' than head coach at Washington Redskins? Who is to say, other than Spurrier.
Anyway, how would you know unless you have been fired from a good job to begin with. Obviously, you don't know. You don't have a good job, don't do a good job and you haven't been fired. Yet.
Win after three years or get fired? You've been at your job for decades and should have been fired years ago.
But, I guess that is why you don't get the big bucks since you don't have to perform like the coaches you are constantly criticizing.
You are one of those who never actually steps into the arena and so you can say you never "lost."
Your insight into college football recruiting has led you to the conclusion that a head coach should work hard to recruit an athlete (it's part of his job) then announce to the world the athlete isn't really who he wanted in the first place.
Brilliant.
Any thoughts on Pettigrew's felony charges?
Didn't think so.
Nit picker
(5 years ago)
World Picker:
Name a coach who got fired (must include those who were going to be fired and knew it and thus left) for doing a lousy job and got a better one:
Tubby Smith-look at how he is doing now vs. his last few years at UK.
Rick Patino when he went from the Celtics to Louisville.
Eddie Sutton when he went from Lexington to Sitllwater.
Dennis Francione when he went to aTm from Alabama.
Barry Switzer: won a Super Bowl.
Yes, many get fired from head coaching jobs and don't move up, they just move on. But some do end up being successful after being fired.
It is a high pressure, high turn over industry. The stakes are high, the rewards are high, the risks are high.
You have never stepped into that ring, World Picker, yet you would critcize those who choose to take that risk.
Wow. What a man you are. Yeah. Right. For sure.
That, is the point of the century, World Picker.
WORLDPICKER
(5 years ago)
Nit Picker: You have always been boring, uncreative, a simple obsessive groupie, and a terrible, terrible writer.
Oklahoma State is a better job than Kentucky?
Texas A&M is a better job than Alabama?
Now you're embarassing.
Your examples weren't fired for losing, which was the premise of the question.
You are the worst observer of sports in the history of jealousy.
JJ
(5 years ago)
Picker:
I didnt say OLeary had a better job. I just pointed out he may be the one WHO DID GET FIRED & ended up doing a good job, where he is at. Will he get a better job? Who knows. NOTRE DAME is a better job, but Oleary & his team would have beat the irish hands down.
JJ
(5 years ago)
Nit Picker:
Choose someone who is fired, not resigned.
JJ
(5 years ago)
But, in retrospect, probably the only coaches who get fired & go on to a better job probably end up as assistants, not as head coaches. Sometimes it is who you know, not what you know.
Most would say a coordinators job at Pittsburgh is better than head loser at SMU. Not that any of us want to do either one.
WORLDPICKER
(5 years ago)
JJ: Agreed.
This whole business might be simpler than many make it.
Give a coach three years. Over that period of time, luck, injuries, flunk-outs, all of that can run its course. After three years, a pretty reflective record will have been made. And if a school fires a coach who had a lousy three-year record, you won't have to worry about a competitor hiring him or her.
Zach
(5 years ago)
Hey Worldpicker, please find out who the Nitpicker is and kick his ass.
Nit picker
(5 years ago)
World Picker:
Yes, and yes; as far as you know aTm is a better job than Alabama and OSU is a better job than Kentucky. Only Sutton and Francione can say for sure which is the "better job". You have no clue and have no way of knowing.
So much for your insight. You should be embarassed.
You are wrong: Sutton would have been fired for losing and so would Francione. They left because they knew it. Otherwise, why leave a "better job" at Alabama for aTm? or why leave a "better job" at Kentucky for OSU?
You are playing games and trying to deflect criticism by claiming those folks left for any reason other than not winning.
True, not all schools would have fired them for the loses they had, but who is to say how many losses are acceptable, other than the school itself. It is subjective, just as your premise.
Switzer? yeah, he had other more compelling reasons for being fired. I will give you that one.
As for the rest of them, you can whine all you want, but you should know it makes you appear to be a real poor loser.
Yeah, I am jealous of a second rate fan bigot in Tulsa, OK. Right. For sure. Absolutely.
You can't even make a cogent argument to defend your position. Maybe because your position is indefensible.
Obsessive groupie? Moi? I can chew you up and spit you out before breakfast, still have time to play 18, clip some coupons, handicap five races, work out at the gym, ponder the lunch menu at the club, plan a safari and pick your arguments apart. Leaves my afternoons free.
What? Me jealous? Get serious.
JJ
(5 years ago)
NIT PICKER
Fran lost 2 ganes when he resigned. He wouldnt have been fired for losing. Nice try, no valid sports arguement should ever include Fran, unless you are saing that A&M gave him too much time.
nit picker
(5 years ago)
JJ;
He may have lost only 2 games, but that was 2 games to many for the 'Bama faithful (who were salivating for a NC contender) and he was made aware via the boosters that he would be wise to find another job to avoid being fired.
Resigning under fire at Alabama and getting hired at aTm, such as Fran did, fits World Pickers premise. (Shrouded LLama has pointed out another one: Ron Zook).
aTm may have given Fran too much time. Nonetheless, one cannot say the HC job at Alabama is a "better job" than the HC job at
aTm. It is totally subjective. aTm has one of the strongest, wealthiest group of alumni supporters in college football and will support the head coach.
As for being successful? He beat Texas, twice if I recall. That is successful in the eyes of a lot of aTm fans. He made a lot of money. Many measure that as success.
To Eddie Sutton the OSU BB HC job was likely better than the UK BB HC job he left. As for winning more games, not sure if he did or not. But, he certainly can't be called unsuccessful at OSU. (the UK BB HC job is not what it once was).
Bottom line, World Picker's point is pointless and subjective. World Picker can't even make an argument in support of his point.
His best shot is to make personal attacks on those who dare to point out his lack of objectivity and call his hand on some of his incompetence.
World Picker is obsessed with successful football programs and their coaches. He dwells on the subjective negatives and ignores any objective positves. It is his pattern. Maybe he is jealous of anyone who is successful in sports. Only his shrink really knows.
Nit Picker
(5 years ago)
World Picker;
No need to get all red faced and miffed. You need to see your shrink. I must have hit a nerve. Take your meds and calm down.
Zach:
At least you aren't offering to kick ass for World Picker. He usually has a OSU homer do his dirty work for him. Are you one of those? Do you have any thoughts on... anything?
Irony Pointer Outer
(5 years ago)
Picker,
Can you please write a blog about whether the Oklahoma men's basketball coach should be fired? I guess by your policy he has one more year. He better beg Blake "Gorilla" Griffin in stay one more year.
Thanks
Irony Pointer Outer
Zach
(5 years ago)
Yea NITWIT, here is a thought for you.
Get off the computer, go get a job and quit obsessing about the Picker and his columns.
You are a troll that only comes here to say exactly the opposite of what the Picker writes just to get your rocks off.
Also, I am sure the Picker could kick your sorry ass all by himself. I mean, you are on here commenting so much, you have to be like 300 lbs of lard.
Did you ever play sports? Just curious. For some reason I picture you as "comic book guy" on the Simpsons.
Nit Picker
(5 years ago)
Zach:
I see you do have some thoughts.
They appear to be the thoughts of a steroid enraged sports wannabe redneck dropout, but, thoughts just the same.
You are either obsessed with both the World Picker and me, or you are an ADD inflicted adolescent with a precocious dark side. Either way, you really need to see your shrink. Soon.
Isn't it a bit odd that a you note who is on here commenting so much and yet you are the one to imply I am commenting to much? Does it follow you are reading the comments on here too much?
The World Picker kick my ass? Oh, my. I am terrified.
Cool off Zach, its just a blog.
So you don't worry, I eat right, exercise regularly, get quarterly check-ups and only drink in moderation.
Yes, I played sports. Still do, some. Age does take a toll, though. And you, jock boy?
Picking on punks like you is just a form of amusement. Actually, I always wanted to be a matador.
TS
(5 years ago)
Hey people! Does the phrase 'paper tiger' mean anything to you? How about 'straw man"? Worldpicker and Nitpicker are one and the same!
OSUNDN
(5 years ago)
Come on World Picker, your traps are making NITWITTER/NITPICKER look foolish. He's like the little rat holed up in the wall waiting for you to bait the trap. Maybe you should ease up on the little guy. NOT!!!
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