I tried telling you before but you wouldn't believe me. It's the Holder factor.

It's brought a curse to a once fine athletic program.

T. Boone gave all that money to OSU. Is there some quality that just cannot be bought?

#1 in empty seats ?

JJ, you make it so easy it's almost comical.

1st, I am happy OSU is winning the games they are supposed to win. Aren't you happy that OU always does that? Oh wait...Well anyway, I agree that OSU is still in the middle of the pack; hence why I said "coming up." As in, not there yet. Should I slow down for you?

2nd, let me repeat: "1st year with a NEW coach AND a totally NEW style of basketball." Regardless of the Sutton era, these are still the facts. It's a very new system and should not be expected to thrive right away.

3rd, let's not get into a character debate regarding women's basketball players. Ok, Mr. Plumley?

4th, I already conceded the point on OSU wrestling. But in true Sooner fashion, you come through exhibiting that classiness only a Sooner fan could.

I'd say you were 0 "fer" 4 except you have to actually get off the bench to play. I doubt you are in that category.

PK, I hope you aren't a Sooner fan. OSU didn't get manhandled by Oregon. In fact, it was really close. And if that's what you call being manhandled, what do you call your loss to Florida? Or to West Virginia, or to USC, or to etc...

Oh, lets hear the textbook response of "Hyuck, hyuck, at least we get der, hyuck hyuck...boomer!"

How I love that one! On second thought, skip that. Just go make my burger.

Beavis...

OSU went 2-0 vs. OU that year...combined score of 57-12

Picker,

Did you watch the OU-OSU football game ? "Rout" ? it was in doubt until the 5 min mark of the 4th quarter.

How about the basketball game ? Non-competitive ? With a few minutes left it was a one possession game.

If OU had the Bedlam Trophy for the past 10 years then maybe your blog would make sense. But check your facts. It's been pretty even (or really in OSU's favor).

Picker, the majority of folks who obsess with the seats is fans of opposing teams, and Mike Holder. It is Holder's job to fill seats, so that is more than acceptable that he talk about. As far as opposing fans: Bash OSU's historical lack of success in football - fine, bash capacity and attendance - LAME!!!

And....Gundy can't diagnose a dislocated shoulder during game time no more Bob Stoops could diagnose Bradford's broken fingers, during game time. Neither are doctors, nor are they paid to be. If the player says "I'm fine coach" and there aren't any bones bulging from their skin, any coach is going to put the kid back in the game.

You're really reaching today Picker.

Are you suggesting that OSU is not focused on winning anything big? That's ridiculous! Two teams meet on a field, one will win. Are you saying the loser lacks in focus, in any event, no matter what the sport? Can it not be that both teams are focused, but the winner is simply better than the loser? Holder hired a young upcoming coach in Travis Ford, with the goal of winning championships. Ford even said in his first press conference that he came to OSU because he could win championships here. Are you saying that this is no longer the case, and all he's worried about now is "Build seats, sell seats, fill seats, empty seats.." The Football players wore bracelets signifying the goal of winning a Big XII Championship. Are you saying that was a cover-up for the players' real goals of "Build seats, sell seats, fill seats, empty seats." We're obviously not there yet as far as the Champtionships and Big Games, in either sport, but I assure you the goals and focus are in place.

By the way, OSU B-Ball won the Big XII tourney the year following the final four run. If your saying that a Big XII Championship victory wasn't a big game, then you must also concede the same for OU, because they too haven't won a big game out of conference in about the same time frame (not in Football, not in Basketball, not in Wrestling). Reach, reach, reach.

I do enjoy being engrossed in conversation with you so keep reaching, Mr. Picker.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this just in: Lance Armstrong wins Tour de France 7 years running (or was it six), meanwhile thousands of other riders finish with ZERO FOCUS ON WINNING!

Somebody honk when OSU wins a big game.

so picker...whats your arguement now...that OU is better than OSU or that OSU doesn't win big games?

because it seems like you have given up on the original premise of your posting

I mean...what has OU done lately besides fold like a lawn chair in bowl games and consistantly make the big 12 look bad? have yall won another gymnastics title that you want to waive around or something? I mean, if thats what you want to brag about I'll put it this way: it must be real hard to win a national title in something when theres only like 7 other schools in the country that even have teams...go twirl around & dance all you want...gymnastics isn't a sport.

other then that...I cant think of squat that OU has done...lost to texas 3 of the last 4 years...back doored your way into some big 12 titles in football and got to play some inferior big 12 north teams...woopteedoo...

OSU beat Missiouri too...and we did it at their house, when they were actually playing good...not at the end of the year when they had given up. and in neutral stadium.

like I said in my previous post...sorry we have only won 4 of the last 6 national titles in wrestling...sorry if that isn't good enough. we will be back on top soon and OU will just go back to being bent over and made to look a fool on the mat like they have for years and years and years and years...

I'm suprised title 9 hasn't eleminated the OU wreslting program to bring in syncornized swimming or something.

stick to an arguement picker...don't back out of your statements and dont try to change the subject.

If that is your point, then let's make it fair/valid and throw Mens B-Ball out of the argument. Here's why: OU Jeff Capel in his first year went 11-8 after 19 games. OSU Travis Ford after 19 games in his first year is 13-6. I don't know if you'll be able to handle this though, maybe it's too objective for you.