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Owasso loses appetite
A for-lease sign stands in front of the Owasso location of Fuddruckers on Thursday. MIKE SIMONS / Tulsa World
By JEFF POSTELWAIT World Staff Writer
Published:
4/26/2008 1:40 AM
Last Modified: 4/26/2008 2:39 AM
Crowded menu of restaurants leads to closings
While Owasso has seen 2 million square feet of new retail property spring up in the past 30 months, the closing of several restaurants might be a signal that the city lacks the customer base to keep so many businesses open.
Several restaurant owners say their businesses were welcomed by the community, but various factors kept them from reaching the number of customers they need to be profitable.
Nancy Roskin, CEO of 3 Tomatoes and a Mozzarella, a pizzeria chain based in Scottsdale, Ariz., said she had reservations about opening a franchise in Owasso.
"I don't think Owasso was the place to open it up, to be honest," she said. "There was not enough customer base for the restaurant. I think it should have opened up in Tulsa."
The franchisee made the decision to close the restaurant last June, Roskin said. It had opened in March 2005.
The rising cost of food ingredients nationwide may have also contributed to the restaurant's closure, she said.
"We're all feeling the change in the economy, whether it's an expensive restaurant or a cheaper restaurant," Roskin said. "The price of cheese has gone up; price of flour has gone way up. In the pizza business, we thrive on flour and cheese, and that's what's killing us."
Todd Kramer, the Tulsa restaurateur behind Te Kei's, a pan-Asian eatery, closed Te Kei's 2 in March after six months of operation. The decision marked the first time he had to shut down a restaurant, Kramer said.
"It was my attempt at a new concept, and I think I picked the wrong spot," he said, adding that he was initially intrigued by Owasso.
Kramer said his restaurant's concept and cuisine might not have been the best fit for the Tulsa suburb.
"What I found is that Owasso — and it's not a bad thing — is a bedroom community. It has a small-town feel," he said.
Because many Owasso residents work outside the city, he said, the restaurant had a difficult time attracting the attention of lunchtime customers.
But Kramer said the experience of closing a restaurant has not dissuaded him from considering another Te Kei's concept in a different location, possibly southeast Tulsa.
John Brinton, director of operations for Wings To Go, a Severna Park, Md.-based chain, said that while a Wings To Go location closed in Owasso last month, he hopes to reopen the restaurant location with another franchisee.
"We actually still consider that a viable location. The numbers are in the average range for a successful Wings To Go," Brinton said, adding that the original franchisee made the decision to close.
Brinton said national economic factors are causing the food-service industry to tighten but that the Tulsa area is somewhat insulated from those problems.
"Certain areas of the country have been impacted more than others, and some have been in a bubble and not impacted as much," he said.
Wings To Go opened in Owasso in January 2005. Four other Wings To Go locations operate in the Tulsa area, Brinton said.
Gary Akin, president of the Owasso Chamber of Commerce, said as many as 24 new restaurants have opened in Owasso in a little more than two years, and that even more are under construction.
He said that when people have more choices of where to eat, some restaurants struggle.
"With all the growth and expansion, it isn't like Owasso is going inward or businesses aren't making it," he said. "There is still a very real growth happening at this time. But as more businesses are added, sometimes smaller businesses and franchises fail for economic reasons as well as personal reasons."
As the purchasing power of Owasso residents increases, the city can support more businesses overall, Akin said.
"Household income has increased in our zip code," he said. "We see our average household income increasing year by year, and that's what is driving demand.
"We're seeing a larger percentage of Tulsa addresses shopping in Owasso."
The closure of a few restaurants is normal in a growing community and is not indicative of any wider problem, Akin said.
"In business, you grow and you shrink," he said. "There is that competitive factor in any industry. That may put some stress on a smaller, non-corporate business. There's a combination of factors."
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jr
, (4/26/2008 5:57:39 AM)
These establishments were not country enough for that rural area. use Bacon drippings to season and deep fry your entree's and you will have a succesful venture.
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what
, tulsa (4/26/2008 7:44:50 AM)
Where are all the self rightous citizens from Owasso that love to comment how awful Tulsa is and great Owasso is? How Owasso doesn't need Tulsa, etc, etc, etc.
Looks like you guys might not need Tulsa, but your businesses feel differently...
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Dad
, O (4/26/2008 8:32:00 AM)
Why did these restaurants go out of business and some are thriving? Price, service, quality? At some places (Steak-n-Shake, Fuddruckers) we are up to ten bucks for a double cheeseburger, fries, and a shake. Won't stay in business long with those prices.
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Anthony Bhal
, Tulsa (4/26/2008 8:34:39 AM)
Restaurants and Entertainment,,, Yeah I think Owasso. lol.These places usually need more than the "local" people to keep open, unless your the mom and pop shop. With the overhead some of these chain restaurants have, it's though to even keep open on 71st.
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John
, Owasso (4/26/2008 9:33:15 AM)
Wings to go in Owasso had a sufficient customer base. There is no reason it should have closed down. As far as I'm concerned the owner had no business operating this location. He/she were never there and they had a bunch of kids with zero customer service skills running the place. How could they expect to get the desired results if they didn't put forth the effort. Way to go Wings to Go!
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towanda
, Owasso (4/26/2008 10:29:53 AM)
I never at at Three Tomatoes, but my parents did once and they didn't like it. You have to have good food too. As for the lunch crowd not being big enough, I have a hard time believing that. If I get out during the lunch hour, traffic is congested and many restaurants are quite busy. Chick-Fil-A has no problem drawing a lunch crowd. I got there at 11:20 a.m. on a weekday and the parking lot was full and the line at the drive-thru was all the way around the building. I didn't even know Te Kei's was here until right before they closed. Maybe some marketing early might have helped.
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JO
, OWASSO (4/26/2008 11:38:58 AM)
COME WAIT IN LINE TO EAT WITH US UPE HERE.
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Doc Smarba
, BA (4/26/2008 11:52:26 AM)
The Wings to go in Broken Arrow is also run by teenagers. We won't eat there again because the place is filthy, the teens will talk, goof off, put their hands in their mouths, clean, or touch money and then touch your food.
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R
, Owasso (4/26/2008 12:03:26 PM)
Yes I know how to spell. DON'T WORRY is what i meant to say.
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ST
, Owasso (4/26/2008 3:11:43 PM)
Restaurants that serve outrageously expensive food items probably will just not stay in business in this city. Not everyone who lives in Owasso is made of money! If more affordable establishments came to town, perhaps there would be less that would go out of business!
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Larry
, Owasso (4/26/2008 3:32:13 PM)
Te Kei's 2 was a great place to eat, good food, wonderful service but the prices were outrageous. This was a lunch time restuarant. You can not charge that much for lunch. The number one reason I would not got there was because they charged $2.49 for a Pepsi. I know that may sound petty, but it was a principle. Restaurant owners need to start realizing that people will only pay so much or they WILL go out of business.
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doug
, (4/26/2008 4:21:08 PM)
These restaurants did not close because Owasso couldn't support them, but because they were not very good .... 3 Tomatoes was expensive and had no flavor .... for this lady to say there isn't enough people, how does she explain all of the business at Craker Barrel and Logan's and Lone Star and all of these other places ... if her food was any good, there would have been enough business
Restaurants close everywhere for that same reason .... for example did Smoky Bones on 71st close because there isn't enough people driving down 71st? NO, it closed because the food wasn't very good
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Boilermaker
, (4/26/2008 6:51:24 PM)
Someone didn't do their homework..... they were expecting Owasso to be a 71st and Garnett...the problem..demographics..
Majority of people who live in the vincinity of 71st and Garnett are transplant...(folks who moved here from 'outside the state'.)
Majority of people living in Owasso are from Oklahoma most are from Tulsa area.
Two different sets of culture.
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Another Owasso Resident
, (4/26/2008 6:54:34 PM)
I have to agree with the other posters here. The food at 3 tomatos was horrible (and expensive). The new italian restaurant is much better. Arizona's went out because there were too many mexican restaurants in town. Those of us that have lived in Owasso awhile remember when Goldies was the only place to go out, so having the options definitely is good for us. Fuddruckers couldn't compete with Red Robin - same price (which is way too expensive IMO), RR wins every time.
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Snobby
, Owasso (4/27/2008 7:51:07 AM)
#2 Nope, Tulsa still smells like Detroit, sorry.
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Chicago
, (4/27/2008 8:52:46 AM)
17. 4/27/2008 7:51:07 AM, Snobby, Owasso
#2 Nope, Tulsa still smells like Detroit, sorry.
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And in 5 years....Owasso...will be like Farmington Hills....a ghost town of foreclosures...watchout.
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Jamie S
, Owasso (4/27/2008 9:30:07 AM)
It's nice how the writer of this article somehow lays the blame on Owasso. Which in my opinion is a far misconception. I have lived in Owasso my entire 30 years of life. I have seen it grow and change in several ways. Lackin in customer base is not one of them. Not only do we have Owasso, but the surrounding towns like Collinsville, Sperry, Turley, Skiatook, they all come to Owasso to shop and eat. We also have several business in Owasso like in Cherokee Park and Whirlpool - they all eat lunch and guess where they eat, Owasso. The eateries he decided to write about closed not because of lack of customer base, but because of one of three factors, or a combination of all three. Price, Food quality, taste, appeal and Customer Service. Before the author decided to write an article that pointed fingers, maybe he should have done all his homework because from the way I see it, he pointed the finger in the wrong direction.
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Chuck A.
, Tulsa - Owasso - Jenks (4/27/2008 9:31:03 AM)
My experience, more often than not has been poor service, from rude snappy servers to that of plain old indifference.
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I feel an unhappy expeirince when eating out at some of these places. Like most people, if that becomes a pattern (three or more occurences), I am most likely not going to return.
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I always tell the manager of my experience and let him/her know the reason I am letting them know is because I like trading their - but if service doesn't change, I won't return.
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Another way to resolve these issues is to tell the manager of the bad experience and let him/her know that I am telling 5 people and asking them to each tell five more and on and on...
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Let them know this this is a story that he/she (manager) can write the ending (script) to by showing/telling me what the end will be.
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Snobby
, Owasso (4/27/2008 11:30:02 AM)
And in 5 years....Owasso...will be like Farmington Hills....a ghost town of foreclosures...watchout.
Yeah, except this is Oklahoma. Largely uneffected. BAM!
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JOHN KLINE
, TULSA (4/27/2008 11:59:42 AM)
Too many food businesses seem to forget that good food and good service is paramount. With that combination, price gets to be less important. They also forget how often people talk about where they have eaten. Therein lies the best or the worst advertising.
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Boilermaker
, (4/27/2008 7:22:57 PM)
21. 4/27/2008 11:30:02 AM, Snobby, Owasso
And in 5 years....Owasso...will be like Farmington Hills....a ghost town of foreclosures...watchout.
Yeah, except this is Oklahoma. Largely uneffected. BAM
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Apparently, YOU haven't been reading the headlines... What makes you think Oklahoma is immune to the what the rest of the nation is experiencing? American Airlines will start their cuts this summer. Then the domino effect will happen.... Is Owasso some magic ecnomic dream land where gas, food, mortage, etc. all stay within reasonable prices.
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Rusty Waters
, SmackdabNdamiddle (4/28/2008 11:54:52 AM)
"Over-indulgence Rules"
I think its just wonderfull, now the energy these places consumed /wasted operating, waiting to cook for the generations of those who can't manage to see beyond thier own mass consumption of energy and wastefullness are gone.
I bet the ones that run to these places are already scoping out another place & didn't blink and eys or pause for one second and perhaps consider a concept of being self-sustaining.
Your meal wasn't $4.50, you didn't think about adding the price of gas @ 3.30 a gallon to get you there and back home.
I wonder what would be the savings in energy food etc etc would be for all of us, if everyone just had to stay home and cook for them selves and pack your lunch in the morning.
You just keep wondering why Gas and food and electric are the price they are.
The average utilities these places consume for one day, I would bet use the energy to keep your home lit and evironmentally comfortable for 3 - 5 days.
Wow, I used to marvel at American enguenity and being thrifty with resources, but this X,Y, Me generation has mirrored our form of Government greed, debt and over reaching in an effort to make citizens feel comfortable while being irresponsible.
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BP
, Tulsa (4/28/2008 12:54:18 PM)
#23 - You can blame the generation that is before you now on being wastefull or you can take a look at the largest overindulgence generation in American History, "Baby Boomers" Where do you think we got it from?
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Rusty waters
, SmackdabNdaMiddle (4/28/2008 2:22:00 PM)
"More or Less"
Food has increased to 4.5% per year for the average American home, with other prices increasing even more. Analysts expect prices to continue rising due to a higher food demand in India and China and an increasing demand for ethanol as a fuel additive.
No Blame at one group, its collectively a disease BP.
I was just addressing the obvious irresponsiblity that permeates the society and its cultural habits in these United states.
Your comment, hits the nail right on the head, blame some one else, any one but the one person who decides what they will change about his or her lifestyle, "Teach your children well, your parents hell?
Habits are solidified in 45 days, I think I read that somewhere.
So I ask you to ask others, how much do you think you could save in the junk food and friviolous buying habits in those 45 days.
A. What is it that you could do with out
B. What are you willing to sacrifice that for the good of the whole?
Or continue to look to shove off the responsibility on some one or some thing else.
My pastor recently mad ea point to bring some 3 dollar shoes to the altar and do with out shoes all day. Could you do that?
He read the rest of the message barefooted, I saw several people walking to thier cars the same way to illustrate a point of sacrifice.
To think of what we American have taken for granted every day, the little luxuries several we say tio our selves i deserve this Coffee at 3.00 a cup and then think of the billlions that have no access to just have shoes on thier feet.
Missmanagement cost every one in the long run, and it will soon be water, not just a gallon of GAS.
You should expect the things you've grown accustomed to having to continue to increase.
You can't breed irresponsibility in a culture and expect not to be inconvienenced as a result of this.
More or less is the question, what is your social contract state in your conscience, what will you teach your children?
What would you like their answers to be as a reflection of your impact on their lives?
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Rusty waters
, TULSA (4/28/2008 2:40:58 PM)
"PAY AS U THROW"
I guess it really boils down to this mentality. "Can you honestly say you didn't throw away at least a dozen plastic bottles in any one month, or a dozen cups from the X, Y Z CONVIENENCE Store or drive through on the corner.
How about those square starfoam containers burgers and tacos come in or the cigarette you throw out the window or in your companies parking lot when you go to work.
It's boating season & R U the kind that sinks the glass bottles cause no one can see them down there, after you drank your self in to a stupor?
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