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Judge applauds courthouse gun law
Judge Tom Thornbrugh
The new law “will greatly enhance courthouse security for all the citizens.”
By BILL BRAUN World Staff Writer
Published:
5/21/2007 3:43 AM
Last Modified: 5/21/2007 3:43 AM
District Judge Tom Thornbrugh calls it 'wise legislation.' He armed himself during a courthouse commotion in 2005.
A new law specifying that district judges can have guns in courthouses is "important and wise legislation," said a Tulsa judge who made headlines when he armed himself during a court commotion a year and a half ago.
The law, signed last week by Gov. Brad Henry, "will greatly enhance court house security for all the citizens," Tulsa County District Judge Tom Thornbrugh said.
The law clarifies what had been the common understanding of the law and adds the component of requiring a judge who wants to keep a firearm at the courthouse to have appropriate training, he said.
The law requires a judge to possess a concealed handgun license if he or she is to have a gun on the job.
In 2005, Thornbrugh armed himself in the wake of a disturbance involving deputy sheriffs and an in-custody defendant who was on trial for attempted rape.
While jurors were excused from the courtroom, a loud struggle developed behind the closed door of a room where the defendant had been taken for a restroom break.
Thornbrugh said he retrieved a pistol from his chambers and positioned himself in the courtroom to watch the door of that room until other deputies arrived.
He said he had a permit to carry a concealed weapon and that he kept the gun unloaded in a desk but loaded it before responding to the emergency.
He indicated recently that he still
has "personal security" available at the courthouse.
The judge said in 2005 that he didn't think he had violated any law but that if there was concern that the law wasn't clear, legislators should address it.
There were mixed opinions about whether a judge was allowed by law to have a gun in a government building, and the matter was raised by a challenger during Thornbrugh's successful 2006 campaign for re-election.
Paul Wilkening, chief deputy for the Tulsa County commissioners, said the "genesis"of the new law was the episode in Thornbrugh's court.
Undersheriff Brian Edwards said he thinks Thornbrugh "acted very prudently," given the information that he had.
Edwards said he doesn't object to the law involving judges and guns at the courthouse.
The Tulsa County Sheriff's Office has previously provided training for judges at a shooting range.
Regarding the new law, which takes effect Nov. 1, District Judge Gordon McAllister said, "I didn't have a gun before this, and I'm not going to have one as a result of this."
He said his experience has been "very positive" concerning the work of court guards provided by the Sheriff's Office.
"I'm trained as a lawyer and a judge," McAllister said. "Court guards are trained in security."
District Judge Deborah Shallcross said she has a concealed handgun permit and that "I have a gun with me at times, but I've never felt the need to have one in chambers."
She thinks the courthouse "for the most part is very secure," but her main areas of concern are where divorce cases and protective order matters are heard.
"I believe our security is not what it should be in those areas," said Shallcross."
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Warren Osille
, Tulsa (5/21/2007 9:58:40 AM)
The real worry will be when the Tulsa Police Department starts training the district judges at the shooting range. The result will likely be catastrophic for the Hispanic and black defendants, all involving probable cause of course.
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Jerrick Irby
, Jenks (5/21/2007 6:15:09 PM)
I think this may have been one of the best decisions of our legislature all session. Thumbs up to Judge Thornbrugh!
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Tommy
, Haslet (5/22/2007 8:54:11 AM)
This is a GOOD START ! Now we need to get the rest of the CITIZENS of Oklahoma trained and armed so that CRIMINALS feel the pressure of the LAW. Any attempt to Rob, Rape , or Murder a law abiding citizen could very well COST YOUR LIFE. A heafty price for crime and much cheaper on the TAX PAYER.
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Pete
, (5/22/2007 10:10:48 AM)
I'd be applauding if I had more rights than the unwashed masses too.
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Wags
, Harrisburg, PA (5/22/2007 11:04:58 AM)
huh? Warren, how will this be "catastrophic for the Hispanic and black defendants"? Your statement has no bearing on this subject. This legislation has no effect on how a defendant is judged by the JURY.
This legislation simply clarified the existing concealed carry law.
And Pete, "more rights than the unwashed massess"? give me a break. The only way you wouldnt have this right is if you are a convicted felon. And if so, then rightly so that you don't have this right and numerous others.
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ANGEL L. ORTIZ
, DELAWARE COUNTY,PENNSYLVANIA (5/22/2007 11:15:28 AM)
kudos to the people whom passed this law. i personally think all Judge's should have a life permit to carry in and out, also where ever they go for protection.
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Charles Mc.
, Tulsa (5/22/2007 3:27:03 PM)
What a heck of a response to a defendant slamming a bathroom door against the wall. My god, if that's all it takes to scare someone, they should look at how they are living. Maybe shadows create the same fear while taking a leak -- hopefully one doesn't shoot himself in the dirt, so to speak; or is it in the foot?
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Roland
, (5/22/2007 4:53:10 PM)
We the people chose our professions and the risk therein. Perhaps all public employees who deal with the general public should have "conceal carry permits," or perhaps we should return to the "wild west days" when everyone OPENLY carried a firearm.
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Rad Davis
, Houston (5/22/2007 9:37:49 PM)
Here's a better idea, how about allowing the hundreds of actually trained, federal law enforcement agents that enter a court house each day to have their weapons with them! Currently, due to the Dems and scared socialist liberal judges, fed law enforcement officials are not allowed to be armed in court houses. Only the extremely highly trained Marshals are allowed to be armed.
If you're gonna allow judges to carry guns, ya better make it mandatory for all to wear steel toed shoes and body armor in the courtrooms...
To all I say- "here's your sign!"
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D. Buckner
, (5/22/2007 11:41:22 PM)
Great law that over the years would have saved many lives had it been in effect earlier, in Tulsa and other jurisdictions.
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Pete
, (5/23/2007 5:18:07 AM)
Any of you who can only imagine a judge shooting himself in the foot have a short grip on reality.
The only thing that makes a car safe is the drivers' ability to handle it safely, and yet no one rails against people using cars.
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Kenton Barlow
, Muncie, Indiana (5/23/2007 7:00:44 AM)
This is great and I believe that all lawful citizensshould have a right to have firearms. It does not bother me in the least for judges to be armed.
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RE: More Rights
, (5/23/2007 7:24:52 AM)
"more rights than the unwashed massess"? give me a break. The only way you wouldnt have this right is if you are a convicted felon. And if so, then rightly so that you don't have this right and numerous others."
Actually, this DOES give judges more rights than everyone else. If I have a concealed carry license, I still cannot carry my weapon into a courthouse! I don't know how they do it in Pennsylvania, but if that were allowed, even criminal defendants could be armed, so long as they don't have any prior convictions and had been released on bond. Not saying the law is right or wrong, but that comment was ignorant. People say enough ignorant things on these boards without out-of-staters joining in.
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John Z
, Whitehall, PA (5/23/2007 11:49:23 AM)
It's too bad that it takes legislation to allow an individual to exercise his/her RIGHT that is already guaranteed by the Constitution. Too many liberals blaming implements instead of the criminal. If we took their logic, we'd be banning spoons because obesity, cars because of DUI deaths, and matches because of arson. Wake up and hold individuals responsible instead of infringing upon individual rights.
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Dave
, (5/23/2007 1:49:16 PM)
What most of the general public does not here or see is what goes on behind the scene's of any courthouse in the USA. My wife works for the courts and has on several occasions had to lockdown her office due to a defendant that has caused problems. She also has been threated with harm due to a defendant that lost their case. Judges have secure parking and bldg entrances she does not. Some courts do not even have deputies to watch every court room, so yes I agree with arming Judges, they have a hard job.
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Michael
, Grover, Colorado (5/23/2007 5:30:54 PM)
At least this is ONE judge which will PROBABLY have a correct understanding of Article II of the Bill of RIGHTS!
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Kevin
, Hot Springs, AR (5/23/2007 10:05:39 PM)
I am in favor of the "Constitutional" right to bear arms and provide for one's own defense. Write the ammendment that was past and get on with court! For everyone else who is willing to stand up for themselves, buy a handgun. Buy a handgun safe when you buy the ammo and take the training for your concealed weapon permit. The more licensed and trained concealed carriers means less victims of crime.
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Ron Ballew
, Lawton, OK (5/24/2007 8:23:44 AM)
Every citizen, including Judges, has a Constitutional Right to own and carry a gun (Right to Keep and Bear Arms). Any restriction of this right is an infringement of individual constitutional rights. Infringements are unconstitutional and therefore illegal. This includes restrictions on location, requirements for concealed carry permits, fees to exercise a constitutional right, and training requirements that deny this right to anyone who cannot afford the time and money for the "so-called" training.
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FIRSTSAI
, Kansas State University (5/24/2007 9:04:14 AM)
Did common sense just move out of Oklahoma? Don't any of you people see the danger of a judge carrying a gun into the courtroom? Didn't you just send a judge to prison for playing with himself while he was on the bench? God knows what they would do if they had guns up there! Since when did your courtrooms become so dangerous that even the judge has to be armed, and what about all the other people in the courtroom? Shouldn't they be armed for the same reason? I believe these guys are having "Judge Roy Bean," fantasies. The answer to better security, is not more guns, but fewer guns. Not one jailhouse/courtroom escape in the last 40 years involved a gun brought in from the outside...they involved guns already inside...guards, deputies, police officers, etc. Their lack of training or alertness is what caused these situations to spiral out of control, and I for one, don't want to get shot by a senile, nearsighted judge because I wanted to sit in on a court proceeding, and the judge "thought" the accused was trying to escape or something.
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Lou
, Spring Grove Pa. (5/24/2007 1:30:51 PM)
Warren O', you're rascist~
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