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Miss Belvedere, you have a winner: But Raymond Humbertson died in 1979
Folks gather around the 1957 Plymouth Belvedere on Friday when the name of Raymond E. Humbertson was announced as the person who came closest to guessing Tulsa’s current population. Humbertson died in 1979, but his closest heir will receive the car, which was unearthed from its time capsule last week. CORY YOUNG / Tulsa World
By RANDY KREHBIEL World Staff Writer
Published:
6/23/2007 1:47 AM
Last Modified: 6/23/2007 8:04 AM
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Find all the contestants and their guesses in the Belvedere contest.
Raymond E. Humbertson's nephew remembers him as "a very generous, very fun guy" who liked to work on cars.
Too bad he's not around to work on the 1957 Belvedere he won Friday.
At 384,743, Raymond Humbertson's 1957 entry to guess Tulsa's population in 2007 came closest to the actual number of 382,457. The prize is the 1957 Plymouth Belvedere that was buried at the Tulsa County Courthouse 50 years ago and recovered on June 15, plus a savings account worth a little more than $700.
But Humbertson died of cancer in 1979 at the age of 57. His wife, Margaret Humbertson, died in 1988, leaving two elderly sisters in Maryland as his closest living relatives.
"I loved Raymond," said his nephew Donald Humbertson, speaking by phone from Woodbridge, Va. "There were six of us kids, and since he had no kids of his own, I guess he kind of gravitated to us.
"He was just sort of a happy-go-lucky guy."
Donald Humbertson, a Washington, D.C.-area educator, said his uncle was a career Marine and a Korean War veteran who spent the last few years of his life as an administrator at Northern Virginia Community College.
Donald Humbertson said he didn't know that his uncle had ever been to Tulsa but that he might have been stationed here as a recruiting officer.
"He moved around a lot," Donald Humbertson said.
Coincidentally, the Humbertsons are holding a family reunion Saturday to unveil a new family monument in a Cumberland, W.Va., cemetery.
"This will probably give us something to talk about," said Raymond Humbertson's grand-niece, Dina Lawyer.
Lawyer learned of Raymond Humbertson's sudden celebrity from her father-in-law in Mississippi, who had seen Humbertson's name in a Tulsaworld.com breaking news story shortly after the winner was disclosed.
About 100 spectators crowded East Tulsa Dodge's showroom for Friday's noon announcement of the winner. Dealership owner Yvonne Hovell said a steady stream of visitors has come through to see the Belvedere since it took up residence there Sunday night.
"The Service Department opens at 7 in the morning, and people would be standing outside, waiting to get in to see the car," Hovell said.
"At 8 o'clock at night, we'd have to tell people it was time to go home."
The car will be moved to a storage building on Monday.
Bob Morgan of the accounting firm Deloitte said 812 entries were tabulated, most from forms that seem to have been placed at various locations around town. About 50 were mailed, including one with a science fiction story attached and a return address of "Jupiter Excursions, Inc."
The birth years of those who entered the contest range from 1888 to 1957, and their guesses for Tulsa's current population range from zero to "north of 2 billion."
The city's population 50 years ago has been estimated at 250,000.
Some authorities estimated that the Belvedere would have been worth as much as $50,000 if it had been in good condition, but it turned out to be so badly damaged by water that its value now is almost entirely historical.
Meanwhile, plans are under way for yet another Tulsa time capsule, this one in Centennial Park next to the Plymouth Prowler that was buried in 1998.
Tulsa's Young Professionals and the Junior League of Tulsa confirmed that they are putting together a capsule that they hope will also include "a large item" to be unveiled in 2057.
"Maybe a Dodge pickup," Tulsa Young Professionals' Marnie Ducato joked to Hovell. "A Harley-Davidson motorcycle has been mentioned, or maybe part of an airplane."
The 2057 time capsule is scheduled to be buried on Nov. 10.
Randy Krehbiel 581-8365
randy.krehbiel@tulsaworld.com
Top 10 closest guesses
to Tulsa 2007 population of 382,457
Rank/Name
Guess
Off by...
1. R.E. Humbertson
384,743
2,286
2. Mrs. Houston I. Shirley Jr.
385,555
3,098
3. Floyd C.Crabtree
387,091
4,634
4. BeaEubanks
376,540
5,917
5. BillMalone
389,152
6,695
6. W.S. Fales
375,206
7,251
7. Marilyn H. Blackford
389,793
7,336
8. Andrew E. Neal
391,212
8,755
9. Lawrence A. Schmidt
396,000
13,543
10. J. Chas Klatz
366,020
16,437
About the guesses
Several people listed their birthplace as "
INDIAN TERRITORY.
"
One person typed a short sci-fi essay and listed an address as
JUPITER EXCURSIONS INC
.
The low estimate was
ZERO
(4 guesses), the highest was
1-2 BILLION
(5 guesses). A lot of people were reasonably in the ballpark.
Ninety-six entries used names beginning with
"MRS." FOLLOWED BY THE HUSBAND'S NAME
.
The
DATES OF BIRTH
range from 1888 to 1957.
Tulsa did not have its current
ZIP CODES
, but instead the addresses used were Tulsa 5, Tulsa 6, etc.
There were several
FAMILY ENTRIES;
some guesses designated up to 3 heirs.
There was a page with guesses by school-age
CHILDREN
(12-13 years old).
The
STATE OF BIRTH
had 398 Oklahoma, 2 Canada, 1 Latvia, 302 from 32 other states, 109 not available.
By RANDY KREHBIEL World Staff Writer
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Bill Graif
, Tulsa (6/23/2007 8:09:02 AM)
The paper had the list of the closest guesses.
1 name is the mother of a friend in Dallas area & it would have been nice if the list were printed - it's great history & some of those names or relatives may be out of state, can see the website, but naturally don't get the hard copy paper. There's still time to add to the web! Thanks
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Jason Collington, web editor
, Tulsa (6/23/2007 8:25:23 AM)
The whole list of names and guesses will be printed in this Sunday's Tulsa World in an ad. You can have your own copy of the list for your computer. Click the link at the top of this story and a box will appear asking if you if want to save it on your computer.
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Pamela Huey
, Tulsa (6/23/2007 9:13:54 AM)
My father is Andreew E Neal, (number 8 on the list). He is 86 years old now and still living here in Tulsa. He has seen Tulsa grown from a small place called Tulsey Town to the metropolis that it is today.
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Ron Waters
, Hartford, CT (6/23/2007 9:18:11 AM)
It's been several days since I've returned from the unveiling and I'm still fascinated by this story. I think it would be an interesting sidebar to discuss the role of the online feedback you received in response to Friday's article, in locating the winner and his descendents. For example, within hours after the announcement had been made, an online reader had already posted R E Humbertson's genealogy !
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JOHN W. KLINE
, TULSA (6/23/2007 9:22:46 AM)
How about putting Inhofe in the new capsule?
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OkieFromMuskogee
, (6/23/2007 2:37:03 PM)
I thought Inhofe came OUT of a time capsule.
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Ed Winn
, Fort Smith (6/23/2007 2:58:41 PM)
The 57 Belvedere is like a long lost friend from our past. The car is more like a person now because it has aged over the years despite the best efforts of the time to preserve her. Isn't this just like people? We want and try to stay young but the aging process continues. The car should be treated like a Queen. If I was in the movie business I would be working on a Christine meet Miss Belvedere type movie with Miss Belvedere pitted against Christine. She has the potential to be a MOVIE STAR
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AJ
, Tulsa (6/23/2007 3:28:46 PM)
I think the idea of burying the car was sort of cool, but I wonder who thought of the idea. Apparently we buried another one in 1998. I hope it turns out better than this one!
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Randy Krehbiel
, Tulsa (6/23/2007 3:32:38 PM)
The Internet was an important tool in tracking down Mr. Humbertson's family. Within a few hours the World staff, working on-line, had learned his date and place of death and secured a Washington Post obituary listing Mr. Humbertson's siblings. That led indirectly to locating Donald Humbertson. While that was going on, Mr. Lawyer read the name on our website and contacted his daughter-in-law in Cumberland, Md., where Mr. Humbertson was originally from. She contacted us and was able to supply additional information and the photo used with today's story.
The photo, from an old family album, was scanned and emailed to us.
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Mary E Dennis
, Tulsa (6/23/2007 4:04:33 PM)
I tried to get the list of entries for the buried car and couldn't get it by clicking above. I see here--the full list will be printed in Sunday paper. This web site is not user friendly--very frustrating trying to locate previous articles, etc.
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Ron Waters
, Hartford, CT (6/23/2007 6:20:03 PM)
Randy, maybe you can settle this for us: Was there ever microfilm of the winners ? I find no reference in any of the vintage clips. The first reference to microfilm that I found was in a book about Plymouths published in the early 90s. Various websites have mentioned microfilm would be found in the glove box, time capsule, etc. But it hasn't turned up. There was some speculation that the rusted out movie film container found in the back seat was the microfilm. But I think that the container originally contained a filmed record of Tulsarama, and was thrown in, in the last minute. A microfilm container would have been much smaller than what was found on the back seat.
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Randy Lehnhoff
, Hazelwood, MO (6/23/2007 7:02:11 PM)
Does anyone else find it sort of interesting that the car was a 1957, buried in 1957, the Tulsa 2007 population of 382,457 ends with the digits 57, and the winner of the contest died at the age of 57 before he could claim his prize. OK, I'm wierd.
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Randy Krehbiel
, Tulsa (6/23/2007 7:22:52 PM)
Mr. Waters:
It was thought the entries were on microfilm, but if they were, no such microfilm was found. There were three cannisters of regular film (16mm, I think, but I'm no expert) in the time capsule, so that may have been the source of the microfilm myth.
A cannister of film was also found in the car. A local lab tried to clean and restore it but couldn't. Speculation is it was film of the various activities that week. In several still photos, a professional motion picture photographer can be seen; his movies have never been found.
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Curtis Bevins
, Claremore, Ok. (6/23/2007 7:55:33 PM)
I was in Tulsa in 1957 during "The Tulsarama" when Ralph Blaine a New York playright who was originally from Broken Arrow came back to Tulsa and wrote a play "Ridding into Tulsa. It was a history of Tulsa from its birth to l957. It was presented at the Tulsa Fairgrounds on a huge outdoor stage. Copies were placed in the Belvedere time capsule. Was the copies still in good shape. My name and picture was in the program because I participated in the play.
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David Shirley
, Benbrook (Fort Worth), Tx (6/23/2007 8:49:25 PM)
Thought you'd like to know that my mother "Mrs. Houston I. Shirley, Jr., was second on the list. Though she passed in 1969, her husband, "Houston I. Shirley, Jr." is still alive and living here, near us, in Benbrook, Tx. He is in pretty good health, and I will read the story to him tomorrow morning. It is exciting to find your mother was not only good at guessing what you have been up to (if you had done something wrong), but also good at guessing the future population of Tulsa.
David G. Shirley
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Lawrence DuBois
, Alamogordo (6/24/2007 8:37:05 AM)
I think the city should contact a number of car magazines to do a story on the car. It would be very interesting to see in detail what the condition of the car is.
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Genealogy Katie
, Fredericksburg, VA (6/24/2007 10:32:39 AM)
The mystery winner is solved then! I tracked down Raymond E. Humbertson through Census records on Ancestry. There were less than 300 people in the United States with the last name of Humbertson mostly all from Maryland and Virginia. I narrowed it down to him, but the winner was already found. Genealogy sites come in handy if a mystery needs to be solved.
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Thom Sullivan
, Columbus, Ohio (6/24/2007 1:29:39 PM)
It was sad that the vehicle was damaged so bad. I was hoping for a showroom new '57 Plymouth... Tulsa has a winner though, Congrads. I find that micro-film thing strange. A article in the Tulsa World from '57 told about having the names on micro-film and for 50 years everyone talked of names on micro-film. The only thing I can see is that the people of '57 put the paper names in the small time capsule and put the micro film inside the car and maybe it was just ruined with that "blob" of stuff they found in the glove box. (They put in 2 sets of names as a backup). I remember reading a article where they had a cut off date for people to enter so they will have time to get all the names on micro-film. I'm sure they searched all over the car looking for it. That's a mystery.
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rfc_1960@hotmail.com
, tulsa (6/24/2007 10:34:39 PM)
inhofe did come out of a time capsule. he needs to be in there for good, lock him in throw away the key. do the same for george whats his name??? bush
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tony underwood
, roanoke va (6/25/2007 11:02:35 AM)
I was so hoping the car would come out OK, but alas, not to be. Interesting that the nearest relatives are not very far from me. I'd love to see the car up close. For that matter, since I'm kinda "in the business" of restoring old derelict cars back into roadworthy condition, I'd love to take a crack at salvaging this Belvedere and making it run again.
I hope someone does. It's a novel piece of automobilia which should be salvaged... even though it's likely to be more a "labor of love" than anything else, considering its condition. Still, *I* would do it.
I'd love to see this sad relic run again.
Also, for those who would use this forum to spout their hatred:
Political sarcasm has no place here.
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, Tulsa (6/25/2007 1:04:11 PM)
I am glad they were able to find the winner of the belvedere. I agree it would be great to see her fully restored once again but more than anything I would love to see her stay here in Tulsa as a part of the history of this city. What an awesome addition to the Tulsa Historical Society that would be!
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hop hoyt
, Lafayette (6/26/2007 7:41:11 AM)
I have a thought that if th winner was actually traveling from the West Coast to the East Coast to visit his father in 1957 he could well have been on an American Airlines flight.
In those days it was common for East/West travelers to stop overnight at Tulsa. This was before the jet age. Since no one seems to know why he was in town I think this might be a possible reason.
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Carol
, collinsville (6/26/2007 6:35:31 PM)
I would like to see a list of all the guesses. Since I am from here I might know some of them. Can we view it on line?
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Glenn
, New Zealand (9/3/2007 7:27:59 PM)
Tulsa put on a great party, and it was well worth the huge journey that we all made from New Zealand to Tulsa to see her in June.
There is talk of the new owners doing some sort of "rust treatment" on this car, for whatever their own personal reasons. There is no rust treatment that can bring back missing metal. The new owners need to seriously reconsider this plan, and instead sell this car to a museum, for example "57 Heaven", so that generations to come can experience the sight of this car as it came out of the ground. This is a precious artefact of huge historical importance and deserves to be preserved as-is.
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Jessie Rock
, Hackettstown (11/29/2007 12:24:38 PM)
Miss Belvedere is officially handed over to the heirs of R.E. Humbertson today. She will be transportated to Hackettstown NJ the home of the Worlds SafestRustRemover and Ultra ONE cleaners for “Arrested Deterioration” follow her journey on the Miss Belvedere forums.
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