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Tulsa businesses aid in moving money to Mexico
 
By LEIGH BELL World Staff Writer
Published: 6/25/2007  1:38 AM
Last Modified: 6/25/2007  1:39 AM

Immigrants in the United States, legally and illegally, sent more than $20 billion to Mexico last year, international data show.

Some of that money was transferred through dozens of agencies around Tulsa. Throughout the city, but concentrated on the east side, are restaurants, markets, jewelry repair shops and other businesses that advertise "Envios de dinero (Send money)."

Most remittances -- payments sent by immigrants to their native countries -- go to relatives in their former hometowns, where wages are lower and work is less plentiful.

Critics charge that remittances are one negative result of illegal immigration, one that steals money away from the U.S. economy.

Last year, $226 million was sent from Oklahoma to Latin American and Caribbean countries, up 45 percent from $156 million in 2004, according to the Multilateral Investment Fund, which promotes economic growth in those countries.

The fund also reported that about $23 billion in remittances was sent just to Mexico from the United States.

By contrast, the U.S. gross domestic product is more than $13 trillion, as calculated by the U.S. Commerce Department's Bureau of Economic Analysis.

The Federal Reserve System is trying to land a greater share of what it calls the "rapidly growing U.S.-to-Mexico remittance market" for U.S. banks and credit unions with its program Directo a Mexico.

The program, a joint effort between the Federal Reserve and Banco de Mexico, is a relatively cheaper way to wire money between the two countries.

Only a sliver of remittances are handled by local banks and credit unions, however. Roughly 95 percent are conducted by private wire-transfer companies, such as Western Union and Intermex Wire Transfer LLC. Local businesses become agents of these companies in order to provide money-transfer services.

Dudley Gilbert, the legal counsel of the Oklahoma Banking Department, said about 1,500 money-transfer agents are scattered across the state. The department does not track how much money is sent out of the state or where it goes.

However, the department did just approve licensing requirements for these agents, he said, adding that the rules will go into effect in August.

Money from Tulsa

Two Tulsa convenience stores, operating under the name Perez's Abarrotes Panaderia, transfer between $80,000 to $100,000 a week. The bulk of that business takes place at the store near 21st Street and Garnett Road, where many Hispanics live, work and shop.

The stores' owner, Wilson Perez, said most of the money goes to Mexico.

"People come in religiously every week," Perez said, standing behind the counter of his small store, which sells everything from jewelry to baked goods.

The average customer transfers between $400 and $500 every week, he said.

Gilbert said state law does not require identification for transfers of less than $1,000. For amounts greater than that, the U.S. Patriot Act requires the business to report at least the customer's name, date of birth, street address and taxpayer identification, the Federal Reserve said.

None of this information verifies that the customer is in the country legally, however. This concerns some conservatives who hope to drive out illegal immigrants by limiting their access to services.

Directo a Mexico has been criticized because it doesn't require legal presence in the United States for a transaction. However, it does follow federal law on money transfers, said Jean Tate, a spokeswoman for the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta.

A California lawmaker has accused the program of "profiteering from illegal immigration."

A spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Carl Rusnok, said the agency "would not likely target money transfers to find illegal aliens, but instead to identify, investigate and prosecute criminal activity."

The immigration debate

Remittances are a talking point regarding the cost of illegal immigration, which is relatively elusive but a key argument in the debate on immigration reform. Some lawmakers have said illegal immigration costs Oklahoma at least $200 million a year.

Some critics are enraged that illegal immigrants can receive limited public services -- such as emergency medical care and free education from kindergarten through high school -- yet send money they earn in the U.S. to other countries and not the local economy.

"The fact that the money is going to help someone else in another country seems very short-sighted to me," said Carol Helm, the director of Immigration Reform for Oklahoma Now.

"That's not the American dream people work for. They work for what they have here and pay their own way."

Scott Carter, an associate professor of economics at the University of Tulsa, said that immigrants sending money home is no different than U.S. citizens putting cash into retirement funds and savings accounts instead of investing it.

"To scapegoat the immigrants and say they are working and saving their money just to send it back to Mexico is wrong. It's just wrong," he said.

What people overlook, he said, is the great contribution that immigrants make to the local economy in the way of job productivity and purchases.

"All of that activity has a direct impact on the domestic product in the state and the country," he said.

It's a business

Tate of the Federal Reserve said about 170 U.S. institutions have signed on to Directo a Mexico. She listed only one participating institution in the Tulsa area, OK Members First Federal Credit Union.

The credit union's director of member services, Debra Nicholas, said one woman sends $100 every other week to Mexico through the service, but she's it, despite the credit union's cheaper fees and bilingual services.

"Since we were in this area (near 31st Street and Garnett Road) with a large number of Hispanic people, we thought we could probably serve them, but it really hasn't panned out well," she said.

That's not the case with some private wire-transfer companies, however.

Western Union handed 147 million consumer-to-consumer money transfers worldwide last year, the company said by e-mail. It did not give dollar amounts. Western Union operates in eight of the 10 largest supermarket chains in the United States.

Intermex Wire Transfers has about 4,000 agencies across the country, including 15 in the Tulsa area, that facilitate the transfer of millions of dollars out of the country, said Randy Ostler, the company's chief information officer.


Leigh Bell 581-8465
leigh.bell@tulsaworld.com

By LEIGH BELL World Staff Writer

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pb, TULSA (6/25/2007 6:19:20 AM)
THE CITY/STATE NEEDS TO MAKE THEM PROVE THEY ARE HERE LEGALLY AND PLACE A 25% STATE TAX ON MONIES SENT OUT OF THE COUNTRY FROM ALL AGENCIES PROVIDING MONEY TRANSFERS INCLUDING BANKS.
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E T, tulsa (6/25/2007 7:39:00 AM)
the tulsa world must really be slow to just now figure out all this money is being sent to mexico. most of us knew that years ago. well so much for them putting all that money back into our economy. i wonder how much money victor orta sends back to mexico. what is bad is when they want to go to mexico to visit their families ICE will give them a free ride.
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jenny, tulsa (6/25/2007 7:42:51 AM)
they need to charge for the wire transfers between 10-20% just as they do for an american to cash their check at their bank or store
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Kar, Tulsa (6/25/2007 8:31:44 AM)
Hmmm, the last I looked, retirement funds & savings accounts WERE investments. Maybe I need to go to TU & learn real economic stuff!
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D.R. Bowers, Tulsa (6/25/2007 8:33:15 AM)
Sounds like a Good Way to Launder DRUG MONEY!!! Anything under a $1,000 is no questions asked. Now that sounds like a Drug Dealers dream come true. Just have a couple of money runners going around town sending you money all day. It also puts a BIG DENT in the theory that they spend their money here and help our economy. I wonder how much of that money is Tax Free while at the same time they are getting Welfare Benefits from the state? It's just another Prime Example of how this country is being taken advantage of.
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John, (6/25/2007 8:39:08 AM)
This is just the start of money that is not being put back into our economy. Also I doubt seriously that taxes had been paid on the money being lost. Just think of all government funds that those who are sending the money have had the benefit of.
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LizW, Tulsa (6/25/2007 9:00:14 AM)
Let's face it people, illegals from Mexico are here to make money & send it back home. Any other money they spend here is strictly on a have-to basis. They have no civic intentions & no incentive to do otherwise or to patronize businesses like credit unions, where I believe, SSNs are mandatory.
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Tater, Gotebo (6/25/2007 2:09:25 PM)
Wake up America! These illegals are PARASITES. They take and give nothing back to the community except alligator tears.

Surcharge the foreign wire transfers and demand a Social Security Card as proof of identity.....real or not.

The bleeding heart liberals are getting their tax dollars robbed before it goes into their hands to diseminate amongst the non-workers......they just are too blinded by the false morality they espouse.

Get an ICE office here. Now.

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Allan Avery, Tulsa (6/25/2007 3:17:24 PM)
So Mexicans are transferring money to Mexico. I have no doubt that people of other nationalities in the US send money back home too.

What we should really be concerned about is how much money we are sending to Saudi Arabia, and other oil rich Persian Gulf states--I bet it makes the money sent to Mexico look like a drop in the bucket!

What about the billions that we send to China via their buddies like Wal-Mart and other retailers?

I think these are concerns that are much more legitimate than the funds sent home by immigrants--whether legal or illegal.

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Lulu, Jenks (6/25/2007 4:29:54 PM)
Wilson Perez, at Perez's Abarrotes Panaderia says the average customer transfers between $400 and $500 every week.

Now, I make decent money. After I pay my rent, car payment, utilities, buy groceries and have a little left for the basic necessities of life and deposit a small amount in my savings account I'm basically waiting on my next paycheck. There is no way I could afford to sent $400 to $500 home every week.

How much money are these people making?

No wonder you can't get near the Quik Trip microwave over during the lunch hour. All of the "guest workers" are warming their food from home so they can sit under the shade tree and eat lunch!

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jp, tulsa (6/25/2007 4:41:58 PM)
w only mexicans...
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NA, (6/25/2007 5:39:05 PM)
Sen. Inhofe voted for CAFTA (Central American Free Trade Aggreement) that eliminates our borders and jobs/businesses in Mexico so they have to work here.
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Red Neck , Tulsa (6/25/2007 9:53:08 PM)
I think you people need to take some classes

on finances and get more educated about all of

this ,let me tell you all ,what about the money that they take from illegal people from

every paycheck where does the money go ?,because they do take taxes from their checks ,regardless they have document's or not

do you get the picture ,do the goverment tell

you , what they do with the money.

Well I suggest for you people to get informed

before you give your opinion , what about Osama bin laden , he was here legally and thanks to my caucasian people he learn everything here in amreica,

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Caucasian, Tulsa (6/25/2007 9:55:07 PM)
I think you people need to take some classes

on finances and get more educated about all of

this ,let me tell you all ,what about the money that they take from illegal people from

every paycheck where does the money go ?,because they do take taxes from their checks ,regardless they have document's or not

do you get the picture ,do the goverment tell

you , what they do with the money.

Well I suggest for you people to get informed

before you give your opinion , what about Osama bin laden , he was here legally and thanks to my caucasian people he learn everything here in amreica,also when we took over this country ,did we need a green card ?

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Carson , Fremont (6/25/2007 10:05:17 PM)
I’m getting a kick out of this article because I’m NOT an economist.

I can sort of see how a myopic economist may be able to see an increase in profits by snuffing the descendants of the founders of this country. That makes room for the criminals in business’s illegal labor. Not only can many of the illegal invaders be paid off in token wages but that also leaves the honest workers stiffed with the criminal’s taxes, medical and social services. It’s a pure genius way of eliminating any competition. They won’t be able to compete on that playing field. Every day more and more will go under.

The part that confuses me is I can see examples of some of the illegal aliens previous work. And… How will all of the crime that surrounds illegal immigration be helping you out when the honest people are forced to join in, in the lawlessness?

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Mark, Tulsa (6/26/2007 10:51:49 AM)
I have just one question for the powers that be....What part of ILLEGAL do you NOT comprehend???
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Ginny B., Sapulpa (6/26/2007 12:34:15 PM)
It is just amazing how people are so quick to make judgements about so called illegals...at least they are working, supporting families,and sending money home to help out..

take a look around Tulsa, the projects are filled with people of color, the hospitols,the free clinics, and the Mexicans are not the ones using up all the services...it is the good ole American boys and girls...get a clue you idiots,this column is filled with the old redneck,dumbassed thinking of legal good ole folks, what a joke..

I am Native American, unless your family met the Mayflower you are all illegal, living on stolen land, and should not point your disgusting finger at a Mexican person..can't wait until you are working for one....

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Bill, (6/26/2007 1:27:35 PM)
It's the pot calling the kettle black. Native Americans are at the teet of government services just as much as any ethnic group. You're just pissed they are sending the money back home instead of dumping back into casinos.
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Kar, Tulsa (6/26/2007 1:44:46 PM)
At the risk of being labeled a bleeding heart liberal by the likes of Bill, what if we ugly colonists had not taken native Anericans' land from them, but allowed them ownership of where they had lived & hunted for centuries before colonists arrived? They'd be in different financial circumstances due to inherited wealth, that's what! We DID impoverish suceeding generations of native Americans by stealing their land, livelihood & placing them in strange environs & discriminating against them as well. Wonder what kind of shape some of our richest families would be in, if they had not bought land cheaply, then exploited low-paid workers before labor laws n& unions came into being.

Having said that, I'm against people from another country who are aware of our laws, crossing the border secretly, then claiming some right to stay because they've continued to be here illegally & done okay.

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Ryan, Tulsa (6/26/2007 3:59:53 PM)
OK, please stop the ignorance. 1. Most brown people are not illegal immigrants. 2. Not all money going back to Mexico is from illegitimate workers. 3. If there is money going back to Mexico from illegitimate workers, it's because they have family there to take care of that they can't bring here. 4. Savings accounts and retirement funds are investments. The only way to take money out of the economy is to hoard it, destroy it, purchase physical goods with it, or convert it to another currency, which is what people sending money to Mexico, Canada, Europe, wherever are doing. 5. If Mexican workers were able to live here without the threat of deportation, they would buy manufactured goods from American companies for their family. Why buy stuff when you could be ejected tomorrow? 6. Many illegals pay taxes, that is why they have taxpayer ID numbers even though they have no SSN. They pay taxes even for services they may be refused for. That is honorable. 7. Mexican workers may send $20b a year to Mexico, but how much money does America make by employing them? 8. My retirement funds depend on American businesses being profitable. No American business went out of business employing illegal workers. Therefore, I support American businesses employing illegal workers who pay their taxes, stay out of trouble, gradually learn English, and make a good faith effort at integrating.

Hey, call me capitalist, but if you can't compete with no-education Mexicans who speak English as a second language, maybe it's time to stop thinking about your way of life as an entitlement, and instead something you have to constantly work for, just like your parents and those before them did. No, it's not fair that a lot of them don't pay taxes. But they -would- pay taxes if we weren't so busy whining about their very existence and making life as difficult as possible for them.

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Ryan, Tulsa (6/26/2007 4:01:36 PM)
And no, I'm not claiming people who are here illegally have a "right" to stay here. I am claiming that we benefit from their presence, so as long as that is true, we should accomodate them. They know what they're getting into when they cross the border illegally, but that doesn't mean we have to throw the book at them as long as both of us are benefiting.
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DavidH, Tulsa (6/26/2007 4:44:43 PM)
The US had a much more laid back approach to immigration before we had planes flown into a couple buildings a few years ago. The president said back then he was gonna increase security on our borders. Where is it? This Ryan fellow seems to feel safe bout not having information on who comes in, but I dunno. Seems inconsistent with border security, seeing as how all the other security isn't foolproof, either.
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not mexican, broken arrow (6/26/2007 5:24:34 PM)
I know quiet a few illegal mexicans and every single one of them are on some kind of gov. assistance program. My illigal neighbor gets medicaid for her two kids (born in usa) at the taxpayers expense. she is pregnant with the third (the second one is 3 months old)this child will also get put on medicaid. Meantime her and her husband just built a $130,000 home and combined they are making $1200 a week CASH PEOPLE no taxes paid this is from their own mouth.and i know their boss and he hires illegals and does pay cash because than he doesnt have to pay employee taxes which is not cheap. Her sister lives in tulsa has 2 kids and a husband and her brother living with them and she gets a welfare check ,foodstamps, and her electric bill paid every month because her kids are us citizens and she claims to be single MOTHER. I know these to be 100% facts and thats ok because they are illegals.AMERICA WAKE UP WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING CALL YOUR CONGRESSMEN, SENATORS, PRESIDENT LETS PUT A STOP TO THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL.
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I know who not mexican it talking about, (6/26/2007 5:32:05 PM)
Its the owners of MEXICO LINDO, AGAVE AND EL TEQUILLA MEXICAN RESTAURANTS P.S. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME PEOPLE CARLOS AND MIGUEL
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mary dell, sapulpa (6/26/2007 6:39:25 PM)
Hey!! I love Mexico Lindo, and Ryan has a great view point, maybe he should run for political office, there are all valid reasons that he has for allowing Mexican workers here...if they are just doing what the rest of Americans should do, then why make them leave? As far as casinos and the Indian population go, most of the clientele that frequent the places are white, or to be correct, caucasian Americans, hope that they enjoy the entertainment of gambling to the hilt, remember gambling is legal now in Oklahoma thanks to legal voters exercising the right to vote, Illegal immigrants did not bring it in.
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