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Armed and Licensed: Concealed carry law hitting mark
Concealed-weapon license instructor Robert Welch shows Bobbie Lucas of Tulsa how to aim a pistol at the Tulsa Gun Club last weekend. Thirty-two people attended the eight-hour, one-day class. SHERRY BROWN / Tulsa World
By CLIFTON ADCOCK World Staff Writer
Published:
7/1/2007 2:20 AM
Last Modified: 7/2/2007 6:07 PM
Ten years later, officials say gun-carrying citizens responsible, deterring crime.
If the number of concealed-handgun license holders is any indication, robbers may have to worry about getting more than stolen goods during a heist.
With an increasing number of state residents legally packing heat, more robbers may be taking away some hot lead.
More than 54,000 Oklahomans are licensed to carry concealed handguns under the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, said Jessica Brown, spokeswoman for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation. That number is up from around 31,000 in 2000 and 15,081 in 1996, after the first year of licensing. Once approved, applicants are licensed to carry concealed weapons for five years. After five years, they are required to renew their application.
In the beginning, some people thought a wave of shootings by license holders would occur, but those fears have proved to be unfounded, Brown said.
"There's very little of that, quite frankly," she said. "Most people don't want to hurt each other."
Former state Sen. Frank Shurden, who sponsored the bill that led to the law, said he had tried to get the bill through the Legislature for several years but that fears of more shootings and of a more dangerous work environment for law enforcement officers held it back.
"They didn't have confidence in law-abiding citizens like I did, but they do now," said Shurden, a Democrat from Henryetta. "They claimed that every fender bender would be a shootout."
Shurden said he is pleased with the law's results more than 10 years after it went into effect.
"They (license holders) have to be good, upstanding people. That's one reason it worked so well," he said.
"I've always been of the opinion that when good, law-abiding citizens are armed, we're all safer. I'm real satisfied with the way the law is working."
Robert Welch, a Tulsa concealed-weapon license instructor, and Tulsa Police Officer Jason Willingham both noted that there have been instances in which a license holder has foiled a robbery or other crime.
Last November, a man who Tulsa police say had just committed a burglary, stolen a car and fled from police crashed the car and then accosted a bystander with a knife. The victim, a concealed-handgun license holder, pulled his weapon on the man, prompting him to flee.
In March 2006, a customer with a concealed-handgun license shot an armed man who was attempting to rob a supermarket near 91st Street and Memorial Drive.
This year in the Tulsa area, there have been three shootings -- one fatal -- by people who have concealed-carry licenses. Police say the two shootings in Tulsa were sparked by traffic altercations that became physical and ended with the license holders shooting people they said had physically assaulted them.
In the first shooting, which occurred at 18th Street and Boston Avenue in April, police say a motorist who had to stop for a pedestrian shot the pedestrian's friend during a resulting altercation. The man who was shot was treated at a hospital and released. The motorist was charged with recklessly handling a firearm and has pleaded not guilty.
On June 10, police say a retired security guard fatally shot a man during a road-rage-sparked confrontation in a parking lot in the 1900 block of Riverside Drive. The retired guard told police that he feared for his life when the other man verbally and physically assaulted him. He has not been charged with any crime.
In Muskogee last weekend, police said a pastor who holds a concealed-weapon license shot a man who, along with some juveniles, tried to rob his church's fireworks tent. The minister said he feared for his life and that of the teenager who was watching the tent with him.
The shooting victim was arrested in connection with the burglary attempt after he was released from the hospital, police said.
Willingham said that, in their duties, most police officers rarely come across concealed-handgun license holders.
"Most people who go through the trouble of getting a concealed-carry permit are not committing crimes," he said. "By and large, the people with concealed-carry permits are not the ones we're coming in contact with."
Welch agreed.
"Most goofballs and hot heads don't think to go and get a permit," he said. "Mostly, it's people who are law-abiding in nature."
Brown and Welch said increased exposure to terrorism, war and violent crime through the media may play a role in why more people are arming themselves.
During classes applicants must take before they can obtain a license, they must show that they know how to shoot and properly handle a firearm.
They also are instructed on how to tell a police officer -- should they come into contact with one -- that they have a concealed weapon.
"Do we worry? No," Willingham said. "We know people with concealed-carry permits are not the type of people out there committing crimes. Your gang-bangers, armed robbers -- they're not the ones going through the class and paying the fee."
Clifton Adcock 581-8367
clifton.adcock@tulsaworld.com
Who is getting the licenses?
In 2006, the state approved nearly twice as many concealed-handgun licenses for people in Tulsa County as in Oklahoma County, according to the Self Defense Act Statistical Report, issued by the OSBI.
Among the increasing number of Oklahomans who are are obtaining licenses are more elderly people and women than in previous years.
“There’s been a great increase in elderly folks and ladies,” said Robert Welch, a concealed-handgun license instructor in Tulsa. “Before, it was about 90 percent middle-aged males. Now it’s at least 50 percent female and senior citizens.’’
What is the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act?
The law, which took effect Jan. 1, 1996, allows applicants who have passed a background check and a training class to carry concealed handguns in public.
By CLIFTON ADCOCK World Staff Writer
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Michael
, (7/1/2007 8:52:55 AM)
Finally some honest reporting.I know it's hard to be unbiased when the liberal rag pays your bills.Keep up the good work.
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Rob Chemberlin
, Dundas (7/1/2007 9:41:08 AM)
Awsome. I thought journalistic integrity was a thing of the past. You've proven me wrong. Keep up the great work.
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Stu Strickler
, (7/1/2007 1:24:32 PM)
Great article! 48 states have concealed carry laws and none of the lies told by the anti gunners have come true!
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Pete Dvarackas
, Pequannock, New Jersey (7/1/2007 2:05:56 PM)
I personally don't have a handgun, nor do I want one. I travel a lot in many states and frankly I see that states with CCW laws are more respectful and kinder drivers. I hate to drive in California as they don't allow anyone but Hollywood stars and politicians to carry weapons. The road rage there is horrible. Can you imagine letting a Hollywood actor like Paris to have a gun? <Shudders at the thought>
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Jim Decker
, (7/1/2007 3:52:28 PM)
All the hyperbole from the Hillary crowd so wildly conflicts with the actual history here in Oklahoma and other states. The only way the liberal politicians will succeed in disarming law abiding American citizens will be if we allow the strident screeching of the anti-gun nuts be the loudest voices heard.
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Gary Klein
, Okmulgee (7/1/2007 5:26:49 PM)
Please do not confuse all Democrats or even all liberals with the anti-gun crowd. Yes they tend to be a part of those groups but only a small part.
At a meeting of local Okmulgee County Democrats during the last presidential primary campaign, every man there with the exception of the dignitary from Missouri was a holder of a concealed carry permit and was armed.
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Bob
, (7/1/2007 8:11:40 PM)
The law that allows a person to carry does have some flaws. I am a law abiding citizen. I was in a relationship with a woman that becam addicted to meth. When she was high, she attacked me. In self defense, I struck her back, one time with an open hand. The law was called. I was arrested for domestic A&B. Charges were dropped. Because of that arrest, I can not get a carry permit now.
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jr
, tulsa (7/1/2007 11:10:50 PM)
unfortunally bob, you will have to wait 3 yrs for it to come off your record. i went thru the same thing, but i found out after i took the class, and after i sent off for my permit and was denied. i waited the remainder of the time until the end of my 3 yrs. then <poof> i now have my c&c permit. good luck sir, keep your head up
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Lance
, Oklahoma City (7/2/2007 10:20:32 AM)
Oklahoma Democrats are a different breed. I was born and raised in Minnesota, later moving down here to Oklahoma. I love it here because (with only a few exceptions) even the Democrats are pretty conservative.
Up in MN, it is a 180. Republicans are liberal.
Liberals, with so few exceptions as I can't name one, seem to be against any sort of self-protection via firearm. They tell stories about the possibilities of people 'going postal' or mass murder sprees, or handgun accidents involving children...
Yes, there are people who go postal (but they will... handgun or not. They'll just find a knife or axe or ball bat).. there are mass murder sprees (Virginia Tech ring a bell?) and there are handgun accidents involving children.
The first two are stopped by responsible ARMED people, the last is stopped by RESPONSIBLE armed people.
The key is to be a Responsible and Armed person.
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Ron Ballew
, Lawton, OK (7/2/2007 10:38:22 AM)
The Oklahoma gun laws start off with the statement that "The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed."
In plain english, this means that Oklahoma residents have the Right to Own and Carry Guns.
Then the Oklahoma gun laws go on with pages of infringements on this Right, listing types of guns you can carry and rules, classes, and fees you have to pay to exercise this right.
The Concealed Carry Law is an infringement of this Right because it requires a permit, high priced classes, and a fee.
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Ken
, Sand Springs, (7/2/2007 12:21:39 PM)
Outstanding article. A lot of good points and facts were presented. It just goes to show you can trust the good folks to do what's right. Thanks for an honest report.
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Mike DeMontoya
, Oakland CA (7/2/2007 6:52:56 PM)
It’s well documented that those licensed to carry concealed weapons, rarely misuse them.
They’re overwhelming law-abiding. Note that they live in one of 40 States allowing Law-abiding adults to carry guns. But some of us who live in one of 10 Socialist controlled States denying CCW permits to “otherwise” law abiding citizens, have now become “criminals” by REFUSING TO BE VICTIMS. We carry guns in defiance of unconstitutional laws. We are now “criminals”, spelled with a small ‘c’. Unlike our counterparts, spelled with a Capital ‘C’, we rarely if ever misuse our weapons. But this will come as little comfort to a Real Criminal who’s unfortunate enough to mistake me for his next victim here in Socialist controlled, crime ridden Oakland CA.
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BD
, tulsa (7/2/2007 10:47:57 PM)
People with a good character set good examples. This is not an issue with Democrats or Republicans. The concealed carrying classes are good. It helps squelch some of the Dirty Harry bravado some people have before they carry. My wife carries a concealed weapon & is incredibly proficient with it. When she travels at night I wouldn't have it any other way. When she travels alone at night she would carry, with or without the license. This way it gives law abiding citizens the LEGAL means to do so, and make sure they know how to use the weapon if the situation arises to protect themselves.
The issue people are confusing is outlawing certain types of assault weapons & ammo for them. People on both sides of the isle are against it.
Tim Harris prosecuteds no one. The man at 19th & Riverside was causing and looking for trouble. Because Harris doesn't file charges has nothing to do with if he is innocent or guilty. Look at his record for filing animal cruelty cases ? Not! He doesn't prosecute squat.
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Woodrow Wilson
, Hope, Mi. (7/3/2007 9:44:31 AM)
Good reporting. Just one CPL holder in Virginia would have made all the difference in the world. We also have the right to carry here in Michigan, it goes on everyday like my pants and shirt. I have never had to take it out (Thank God) but it sure is a great feeling just having it. I'm a senior-stroke-survivor. Right side partially paralyzed, left works real good. The right to carry concealed is the best news us seniors have received since Viagara. Have a nice day.
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Josh M
, Stillwater (7/3/2007 1:49:29 PM)
It is great to see an unbiased report that simply states the facts. Too many articles are written with just emotion and leave the truth out. Those who are willing to commit crimes with firearms could care less about what laws they are breaking. I just don't see why others can't(won't) realize this. Keep up the honest reporting.
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PT
, Dystopia (7/3/2007 2:51:26 PM)
"Last November, a man who Tulsa police say had just committed a burglary, stolen a car and fled from police crashed the car and then accosted a bystander with a knife. The victim, a concealed-handgun license holder, pulled his weapon on the man, prompting him to flee."
Come again? How is it that having the alleged perp flee from a concealed carrier helps the crime rate?
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Mike DeMontoya
, Oakland CA (7/3/2007 3:23:04 PM)
PT Dystopia asks: "How does allowing an alledged perp to flee from a concealed gun carrier help the crime rate?
Answer: It doesn't.
The proper response is the one I made years ago when faced with a similar situation. The perp didn't "walk" away. He was carried away in a body bag.
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Firstsai
, University of Kansas (7/3/2007 5:32:11 PM)
If owning guns kept people safe, Somalia would be the safest place on earth, but strangely enough, it isn't. This article is the worst piece of journalism I've seen lately, not because of what it says, but what it fails to say. It fails to say how many lawfully owned guns were stolen, it fails to say how many suicides were committed with lawfully owned guns, it fails to say how many kids took their parents guns to school,it fails to say how many accidental gun discharges resulting in injuries happened in the last 90 days, an it fails to say how many people with CCP's had them revoked. There is some type of "Clint Eastwood" fantasy around Oklahoma, that fools people into believing that having a gun will prevent them from becoming a crime victim. Cops, who are very well trained in the use of firearms, still get murdered at the rate of about one every month, what makes you think that you will have the wherewithall to pull a concealed weapon on an armed criminal, and pull the trigger? It's pretty easy to say you can, especially in light of studies that during WWII almost 40% of Infantry soldiers never fired their weapons when in combat, and this number increased to 53% during the Vietnam War.
I also find it odd, that nearly everyone has a story about defending themselves from an armed criminal, but no one has a story about the "perp" being disarmed and held for the police...the "perp" somehow, always manages to get away...probably more fantasy.
One thing is for certain...the more wild west showdowns you have, because the neighbor doesn't cut his grass, or someone cut you off in traffic, or you just fired from you crappy job and you want to make someone else suffer, the more likely an innocent bystander is to get killed or seriously injured in the crossfire. Think about it.
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mike demontoya
, oakland ca (7/3/2007 7:22:45 PM)
Re: Firstsai @ Univ of Kansas.
So the point you attempted to make re this article, and more important; your solution is?????
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BP
, Aiken, SC (7/3/2007 8:39:23 PM)
mike from oakland doesn't get it. responsible gun owners don't shoot fleeing criminals and don't hold perps for the police. if i can prevent harm to myself by displaying a weapon, haven't i prevented a crime against myself.
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Mike DeMontoya
, Oakland CA (7/3/2007 9:07:20 PM)
BP. - Aiken SC
You're correct: Responsible gun owners don't shoot fleeing criminals. If you shoot a fleeing criminal in the back, it's hard to justify "self defense". It becomes an "execution".
The situation I was in I didn't give the perp the chance to flee.
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RICK K.
, LOS LUNAS NM (7/3/2007 11:02:39 PM)
Thanks for the unbiased report.As a former
Bartlesville resident it is nice to see Okla. concealed carry law working.Its nice to see that people can defend themselves lawfully.Here in the Land of Enchantment we can still carry a concealed weapon in our vehicle without a permit.Our vechicle is considered an extension of our homes.Our concealed carry law seems to be working well too.Both laws here in New Mexico also seem to make criminal scumbags think twice about commiting felonies.Thanks for the unbiased reporting.It is refreshing.
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Sandy
, (7/3/2007 11:38:32 PM)
I have taken Roberts class and it was WONDERFUL!!! He is a great teacher, he has a degree in teaching too, he knew his stuff about all weapons and their history and their makers. Robert and The Tulsa Gun Club are an assett to this city! Good writing in this story! Bravo Robert!!! Also, he is very single!!!!!
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CindyTell
, (7/3/2007 11:40:31 PM)
Great article....Great Class! Robert is a great teacher and knows the subject matter thoroughly..... now I know about my weapon and know how and when to use it. And yes, I am also a Democrat.....and believe it's our right to bear arms and take Roberts Class!!!
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TiffanyWalker
, (7/3/2007 11:46:16 PM)
Great article.... we need more people like Robert teaching us how to protect ourselves. The police are there only to do the paperwork.
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