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Immigration law effect called minimal
By MICK HINTON World Capitol Bureau
Published:
8/19/2007 4:32 AM
Last Modified: 8/19/2007 6:56 AM
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See the Community Action Project of Tulsa County's issuebrief
OKLAHOMA CITY -- Oklahoma's new immigration law, touted as the toughest in the nation, just nips at those with questionable legal status, the public policy director for an antipoverty agency says.
"There is a lot of sound and fury in the new law, but when you look carefully at it, in reality, its practical and legal impact will be minimal," said David Blatt of the Community Action Project of Tulsa County.
However, Rep. Randy Terrill, chief author of House Bill 1804, said that "anyone who provides a job, shelter or public benefits to illegal aliens after Nov. 1 does so at their own peril."
Terrill, R-Moore, said harboring an illegal alien would apply only in circumstances where a person was clearly helping an immigrant to thwart the law, but would not include such things as driving someone to church.
Blatt said HB 1804 has caused fear in the Hispanic community, and riled even those who have been legal for years.
Provisions will become law on Nov. 1, addressing public benefits, law enforcement and employment of those termed as "undocumented immigrants."
Last week, the Community Action Project released an "issue brief" intended to serve as an informative resource for community organizations, businesses, government agencies and advocacy groups
and individuals.
The purpose of the paper, Blatt said, is to try to convince people to continue sending their children to school, continue accessing emergency services and convince providers that they can continue offering services for public health.
The issue brief asserts that many sections of HB 1804 duplicate or mirror what is already in state or federal law "or simply puts into statute what is already occurring in practice in the state."
Terrill, who takes umbrage at the notion that Oklahoma's law is redundant, said: "While some of their observations are accurate, their conclusions don't match what anyone else who has taken a look at the provisions and characterize it as the toughest immigration bill in the nation."
Questions have been raised about whether some Hispanic families have been keeping their children from starting school this fall, although officials say it is too early to tell.
Blatt said the U.S. Supreme Court in a landmark case guaranteed the right of all children to attend school, regardless of the child or parent's legal status.
Terrill said his bill does not do anything to challenge that.
"I don't think the INS is going to walk the halls to catch them at school," Terrill said.
The bill requires every state agency to verify the lawful presence of anyone over age 14 who applies for a federal, state, local or public benefit.
Blatt said since the 1990s, those without legal status have been denied food stamps, Medicaid and Medicare.
But the federal government says many other services including emergency room care, Head Start for underage children and immunizations are free.
Terrill said the bill makes it clear that state agencies need to do a better job of verifying the status of those who apply, requiring more documentation than simply checking a box on a form. He said those seeking benefits who do not have identification will be required to sign an affidavit, and if they falsify this document, they will never be eligible for citizenship.
The bill restricts the issuing of primary identification documents, such as drivers licenses. Blatt said the only change the Department of Public Safety will make is to mark licenses as "temporary" for those here on a work or student permit.
In the employment arena, public employers will be required after Nov. 1 to utilize a public verification system, the Basic Pilot Program. After July 1, 2008, that requirement will extend to private employers.
Terrill said this will be the first time that employers will be obligated to check the legal status of new employees. He said some "bad apples" currently are hiring illegals because it is cheaper.
Blatt said the law is silent about any enforcement mechanism against agencies that fail to comply with the verification requirement. "It is unclear whether the Basic Pilot Program is fit to handle the increased volume of verification requests," he said.
"My hope is, once Nov. 1 rolls around, everyone will realize the practical impact of this law is fairly limited, and the fear will go away," Blatt said.
Mick Hinton (405) 528-2465
mick.hinton@tulsaworld.com
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Native American
, (8/19/2007 8:43:53 AM)
Sen. Inhofe voted for NAFTA & CAFTA (Central American Free Trade Agreement) which eliminates our borders...we need to reverse these now!
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c.g.
, Tulsa (8/19/2007 9:17:44 AM)
What disturbs me is that this law should not have been needed. It is my hope that people who support lawful immigration will get as loud or louder than those who have no regard for us or the law have been. As I drive around Tulsa I observe all the road construction crews that I used to be a part of and notice the different ratio of caucasion faces visible on these jobs that are city and state inspected. Here's hoping that Nov.1 will change this. It galls me that I earn a higher income than a good many of them and I can't afford a fairly new high dollar vehicle or to fill my yard with empty long necks.
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DavidS
, Tulsa (8/19/2007 12:37:37 PM)
Laws are only as good as they are enforced... About as usefull as this article ;)
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Lulu
, Jenks (8/19/2007 1:52:42 PM)
We deserve what we get until people start paying attention the people who campaign for elective office.
Listen to what they say when they are campaigning and hold them to their promises if they get elected.
If they don't keep their promises, then they should be a "one term wonder" and booted out of office in the next election.
Wouldn't take too long before these wing bags would actually start listening to the voters!
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glenda ledbetter
, Haileyville oklahoma (8/19/2007 4:03:53 PM)
Hey CG of tulsa you could afford a new vehicle if you had as many of them living in your home as they do. Usually their are about a dozen or more of them living together. Actually what they should do is hire those that are illegal an pay them the same amount they would be making back in Mexico. Bet they wouldn't hang around very long cause the cost of living is much higher here. Also whomever is renting to them they should have to pay more rent if their are a dozen of them living together. If theres a will there a way of getting them back to where they came from! I don't hate Mexicans either I have some good friends that are mexicans just isn't right for them to be here illegally. Put in for there Vista an green card or whatever else they need an come here legally. That is all we ask of them.
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whatever
, tulsa (8/19/2007 9:12:07 PM)
Well this article was another 5 minutes wasted in my day...
I find it humorous how the World can predict the effect of something that actually isn't even in effect yet.
CAP is a joke and a waste of money. Their refurbished houses tend to be occupied by people that are not held accountable. The house quickly ends up into a state of disrepair and the whole wasteful process starts over again.
I suggest Mr. Blatt look into this before spewing out about immigration. After all, if illegal immigrants weren't here, his job would pretty much be worthless, wouldn't it?
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Tony G.
, (8/20/2007 6:28:21 AM)
Now if we can just get K. Taylor to enforce these
laws.
If we can get her to do anything about the existing problems in our fair city:-(
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pb
, tulsa (8/20/2007 11:57:46 AM)
Taylor do something. hahahahahhaha. That is a dream we will never see unless we want to waste money on buying something we cant afford or invest in secpool
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Grammy
, Owasso (8/20/2007 12:14:47 PM)
So what about those illegals who have been here for years? They have jobs, they have vehicles, they pay taxes. Why are they being lumped in with the moochers who only want government handouts? How can these illegals become legal? They are scared to death to come forward because they are afraid they will be hauled off to jail. Did Mr. Terrill think of that when he crafted his bill? Did he think of the impact to Oklahoma employers who may have to shut down their businesses because all their employees have to leave the state? And how are employers supposed to verify documents? The INS website says employers "do not have to be document experts." Does the State of Oklahoma propose to make employers become document experts? What about the cost to do this? There are WAY too many unanswered questions about this situation, and someone needs to start publicizing answers. The local Hispanic community is running scared, and their radio station is their main source of information. Someone, PLEASE figure out how to fix this mess and get the word out to the Hispanic folks before our economy tanks!
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pb
, tulsa (8/20/2007 12:45:56 PM)
#9 what you should be asking yourself is did the border jumpers think about this before they began their swim? They should be hauled off to jail for breaking our laws. Employers will have the necessary means and training to be able to comply with the laws that are originally federal laws. A cost of being the owner of a business. The company I work for employs people intelligent enough to figure it out and have no problems complying. And please wake up the economy is not going to tank because of a few illegal alien deportals. I am beginning to wonder why we didnt just take over all the mexican territory in the 1840's! They just want to be in america anyway.
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Chuck
, Tulsa (8/20/2007 1:44:34 PM)
These immigrants are here to stay. This law cannot be enforced by Tulsa's meager police department who can't even take control of the real criminal situation. You whiners better enroll in a spanish class before they are all filled up.
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Carlton Ross
, Owasso (8/20/2007 3:02:54 PM)
Although I am fiercely opposed to blanket amnesty as suggested by others, if an immigrant has been here for years with no criminal record, is established with home, family and most important of all, gainful employment, he should be allowed to stay and acquire legal status.
Think about it-- blanket deportation makes about as much sense as blanket amnesty, doesn't it?
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, (8/20/2007 4:08:26 PM)
Now I see some sense making in these posts!!
i.e #'s 9, 11 and 12..kudos
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SnraChavez
, Tulsa (8/20/2007 4:31:10 PM)
Unfortunately this bill will force many small businesses to close. The cost to check employees will be more than the budget can allow. We will have to charge more for our services which will cost us the bid to larger companies.
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Jon
, OKC (8/21/2007 10:23:32 PM)
As a small business owner, I'm left wondering what will happen in the coming months. I require the same identification for employment regardless of race. As previously posted, I'm not a document expert, but all of my workers have valid SS #'s. Past that I don't feel it's my job to play detective. I also pay the same regardless of race and take taxes out of every check. #10... will these means and training be supplied free from the state? I doubt it. I honestly believe my company and competition will be obliterated if this law is enforced before there is a guest worker program in place to replace the migrant workers that just moved to Kansas/Arkansas/Colorado/etc. because they are not longer welcome in Oklahoma. In my field pay is not a factor. It is finding people that are willing and capable to do the job day in and day out.
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mayra
, AR (10/11/2007 4:27:57 PM)
immigrants come here to work and to better themselfs. people say immigrants drain goverments funds and look at all those homeless lazy people that don't want to work. at least we work, low paying jobs, but we work. UNA AMISTIA ES LO QUE NECESITAMOS!!! if we work together we will find a solution.
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Hispanic Woman
, tulsa (11/1/2007 2:27:58 PM)
Thank you #15 for that last line. People keep saying that immigrants are taking the jobs of Americans, but we arent we take the jobs that are desperately needed that so called Americans don't want to do cause they think they are too good or the work is too hard for the pay. Come on people this is turing into such a big racial issue,just reading the comments on her is upsetting enough. Yes I do agree that ALL illegal immigrants need to get legal, but there is a process that is far more complicated then just a simple fee. Can we all look within ourselves that we were all once here ILLEGALLY this country didnt belong to anyone but the Indians they are the Natives we are all immigrants! Let's stop the racism!
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