Doc Smarba, BA (8/22/2007 1:21:17 PM)

To the person who doesn't know their name (post #17):

Please feel free to write what you "really think about people like (me)".

Go on, now. You won't hurt my feelings. It's okay!

Esperanza, Guymon - USA (8/22/2007 1:28:58 PM)

Doc:

Don't hurt yourself trying to stretch your small mind, please! Of course, the architects wouldn't be thinking of entering the country illegaly, there was no such law in the books, as evidenced by your own ancestors. Today's ideology of post 911 secure borders has been masterminded by white male anglosaxons with the masses following the tendency like sheep.

JM, Tulsa (8/22/2007 1:43:08 PM)

Esperanza. I think you miss my point. If you don't like the law, work to change it. If you choose civil disobedience, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

And don't play the race card, my comment isn't about the Hispanic community. I have numerous friends from Mexico, Pakistan, Iran, Lebanon, Ireland and other countries here legally! And the law does not discriminate. If you sneak across the border from Canada, you can be deported too.

Why whine about having to deal with the logical consequences of ones actions when one gets caught? Do we sympathize with others who intentionally break the law?

Dwight D, Tulsa (8/22/2007 1:18:07 PM)

Hurricane Dean hit Mexico in recent days, causing considerable damage to that country.

President Bush promised to send aid to Mexico

I propose we send 12 to 20 million Mexicans (who are illegally in the U.S.) back to Mexico, to help them rebuild the country.

Problem solved

Doc Smarba, BA (8/22/2007 1:14:19 PM)

Re #20 by Esperanza.

1. What sense of entitlement?

2. You asked, "Doesn't it make you wonder what activity is going now that will make you and yours illegal in the future?"

-Uhhhhhhh... If you're asking about citizenship, I can't think of any laws I've broken that would result in my children having their citizenship revoked. It usually doesn't take a lot of intelligence to follow the law.

That said, if the government, say, wrote a law in the future stating a conviction for driving without proper insurance resulted in the forfeiture of my children's citizenship, I would make darn sure I had insurance before getting behind the wheel.

A good parent NEVER puts their children at risk by breaking the law!

Dwight D, Tulsa (8/22/2007 1:08:07 PM)

The right thing to do is so apparent - Deport all of them NOW! It might cost us 20 billion, but after that it will save us 60 billion. Everyone says the economy will collapse if they go, which is so far from the truth it is not funny. The cemetary is full of irreplaceable workers isn't it??? There will not be anyone who will not a get a happy meal if we send them all home to the cesspool they came from. Maybe then, we can get some lettuce free of fecal matter and bacteria.

Doc Smarba, BA (8/22/2007 1:02:10 PM)

A little history lesson is in order:

The 14th amendment, proposed in 1866 and ratified in 1868, was one of the post-Civil War amendments (known as the Reconstruction Amendments). It was intended to secure rights for former slaves. It was written in response to the 1857 Dred Scott case, where the Supreme Court ruled that people of African descent could never be citizens of the United States.

We should also consider the legislation of the era which prohibited the citizenship of other foreign immigrants (The Chinese Exclusion Acts / Immigration Exclusion Act of 1882, for example).

To believe the architects of the 14th Amendment were addressing the offspring of those who had willingly entered the country by ILLEGAL means requires a mental stretch of epic proportions.

Esperanza, Guymon (8/22/2007 12:40:28 PM)

JM & DOC:

Your posts are so telling - you are correct, there were no laws that made your ancestors illegal, therefore you both enjoy a sense of entitlement that most Mexicans don't.

Doesn't it make you wonder what activity is going now that will make you and yours illegal in the future? Something to consider.

JM, Tulsa (8/22/2007 12:33:34 PM)

I agree with you Doc. Sorry if I didn't communicate that properly. My family members immigrated here so long ago, there was no test to take.

One should note that the children of illegal immigrants who get deported don't have to stay here either. They are free to go home with their parent(s).

Esperanza, Guymon - USA (8/22/2007 3:41:33 PM)

Doc:

My question was, "What if you were refused insurance because you were white?" I am a citizen born in the US; born of US citizens. Here in Oklahoma, in the 21st century, in the most progressive country on earth, I have been asked to prove my status, even though my English is better than my insurance agent's! So I ask again, "What if you were refused insurance because you were white?"

Esperanza, Guymon - USA (8/22/2007 3:46:32 PM)

pb:

Where do you get your information? Canada = secure border? OMG - can you read? Let me enlighten you.

"The Canadian border is open, and a lot of people who are potentially very serious security risks to the United States are coming across," says Yossef Bodansky, director of the US Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare.

Canada's weak antiterrorism laws mean intelligence officials and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police are often stymied. Also, several of Canada's ethnic groups conduct fundraising for extremist activities abroad. The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, or Tamil Tigers, for instance, are among Canada's top fundraising groups.

Esperanza, Guymon - USA (8/22/2007 3:50:12 PM)

JC:

Return to your hole, you filthy animal. I only converse with civil human beings.

Esperanza, Guymon - USA (8/22/2007 3:50:50 PM)

Ricardo:

I am a US citizen.

anthony bhal, tulsa (8/22/2007 3:53:25 PM)

The State of Oklahoma now needs to make it a Felony to be in the State of Oklahoma if your not a citizen of the USA or Here with proper Documentation. Send a message. Your WELCOME here, no matter the race, if you here LEGALLY.

Charles, Tulsa (8/22/2007 3:56:15 PM)

Thank you Stanley Glanz.We want the illegal vermin OUT.Head back to Mexico scum.

Esperanza, Guymon - USA (8/22/2007 3:56:48 PM)

bhal:

A penny answer to a million dollar problem! You go, guy!

Esperanza, Guymon - USA (8/22/2007 12:25:44 PM)

Jurisdiction is defined as the right, power or authority to administer justice by hearing and determining controversies.

Sorry, Mike, Bixby - you are WRONG! The United States Federal Government most certainly does have jurisdiction over anyone crossing our borders both legally & illegally.

Constitutional Amendment XIV has heretofore been interpreted as meaning that anyone born on US soil is a US citizen by birthright.

With this new wave of governmental parceling out responsibility to lessor entities will result in an easy transition to a "Police State".

Esperanza

JC, Tulsa (8/22/2007 4:05:24 PM)

Esperanza,Guymon:

Did I hit a nerve. Because nothing I said was filthy, and for as the rest of your comment where does that leave you. Remember as you stated you are a US Citizen so you are converse with a Civil Human Being. And the most important part is ENJOY BEING A US CITIZEN.

SnraChavez, Tulsa (8/22/2007 4:10:47 PM)

I would hope that this new group of law enforcers truly only seek out the ones who are breaking laws that cause injury and harm to you so called upstanding citizens. Leave the others alone as they seek the means to become legal. The current wait with the I130 is more than 6 years. Add another 10 to that if you turn 21 in the interum. Clean up the back log so the ones stuck in limbo can do the right thing.

And, Dwayne, if there is fecal matter on your lettuce you maybe need to wash your hands. Most hispanic people are VERY CLEAN.

Esperanza, Guymon - USA (8/22/2007 4:11:13 PM)

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TeddyJackEddy, Tulsa (8/22/2007 4:26:28 PM)

Why not apply for legal immigration status BEFORE coming here?

Davy Crotchety, Tulsa (8/22/2007 4:31:00 PM)

Wow. I knew you racist birdbrains were stupid, but your inventive, yet still somehow mind-numbingly inane, interpretations of constitutional law make me think there's an epidemic of dumb*ss going around. Here's a tip: you clowns should learn something BEFORE you let loose the verbal diarrhea.

Oh yeah, and you're boring, too.

SnraChavez, Tulsa (8/22/2007 4:31:06 PM)

The government opened the window for some to apply for VISAs even though they had come illegally. The I130 was reopened in April of this year even though the back log is so huge that they are just now working papers from 6-7 years back. We applied for 2 of our children (still in Mexico) 6 years ago. It took 5 years for our government to tell us the documents were authentic and they would begin processing them. We still are waiting. We have paid 3 different fees to get this far. There are many like us out there that are waiting, waiting, waiting. While they are waiting they are still undocumented. Even though they have done what they were told to do.

????, Tulsa (8/22/2007 12:13:04 PM)

DOC, you're a very sick person and a BIG racist, I don't care what you say or think. You are just plain sick. You just don't have any idea of what this people go throught and I bet you would'nt last a day in their shoes if you were to be put in that situation. You would cry your self to sleep just so you would'nt think about it. Sick, sick, sick.....And I really can't write here what I really think about people like you. And yes i know what you are going to say next. Typical lefties and so on... I'm proud of this country and If we can get them leagal then yes we welcome them but let's not talk about them like if they were dirt or less than dirt. They are humans just like you and me. think about it , DOC. So you say.LOL

jeb, tulsa (8/22/2007 11:43:23 AM)

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States" This has been left open for interpretation. And will follow precedence. I'm pretty sure that every case before has said and identified these children as citizens..... They have birth certificates and social security numbers.