Tom, Tulsa (8/22/2007 3:28:38 AM)

To little to late? Or just about time. Let's get them legal and then they will be welcome.

pb, tulsa (8/22/2007 5:51:49 AM)

It is sad it had to come to this. But this is what happens when people take advantage of something. So many people are now going to live in fear everyday because of their own actions. I feel bad for the people who wanted to actually migrate to america to make it their home because they are stuck right in the middle of criminals and workers who have no intention of becoming a citizen but just use america for jobs to obtain money to send out of the country. Now hopefully we can get this huge problem sorted out. I guess now Illegal Aliens will have to go home, be deported or hide from immigration ramifications. Hopefully this will also keep them from staging protests and disrupting american governments and citizens.

laura, tulsa (8/22/2007 7:50:31 AM)

it's sad because people are going to be pulling their children out of schools for fear of being deported when the drop off and pick their children up from school! the children are american citizens and shouldn't have to suffer! granted the parents did come here illegally but that shouldn't effect their offspring! if it were easier and not so expensive for them to become legal i believe they would've done the right thing and paied to start the process of becoming a legal american citizen! being paied less than 2 dollars a day isn't going to ammount to enough money to start the process! mexico needs to build up it's country so that people won't cross the border illegally but they probably won't! i honestly feel if they weren't coming over in such vast numbers it wouldn't be a problem! it's a really sad situation!

mike, tulsa (8/22/2007 8:11:41 AM)

why should being born on this soil from two illegals get you citizenship? This is a flawed policy no doubt. I understand that the children have no choice as to where they are born but it should not be automatic citizenship! I would venture to wager that these children will not have a shining example of law abiding parental leadership!

jeb, tulsa (8/22/2007 8:43:12 AM)

What is sad for many of these children is that they were born here and have lived here their entire lives. Some are already in middle school and high school and have never even been to Mexico. These children I do feel for if their parents have to pack them up and move them back to Mexico (What a culture shock).

Doc Smarba, Broken Arrow, OK (8/22/2007 8:47:59 AM)

If a Mexican gave birth on Mars, would the child be a Martian?

Doug, (8/22/2007 8:52:38 AM)

Doc your killing me! The coffey that just came out of my nose has ruined my keyboard!

John, (8/22/2007 8:53:45 AM)

It is about time and I must admit a little late too. Laura that sympathy angle just doesn’t cut it. The kids are the parents responsibility and that is just too bad if they are worried about being caught breaking the law. It’s called the law of this country. It also breaks my heart that the process to become a citizen of a country that they want to reap the benefits of is too difficult. Maybe a better description is an inconvenience? Maybe all of us who have to send forms into the IRS each year ought to quit doing so saying it too difficult?

mj, Tulsa (8/22/2007 9:35:19 AM)

Sheriff Glanz is to be commended. He has the guts to do what many elected officials refuse to take on. For anyone lamenting the woes that this change will have on illegals, it should be emphasized that this will only apply to those who encounter law enforcement via a crime. The deputies will NOT be kicking down doors or yanking kids out of school...get a grip ! Plus, why isn't anyone ever expressing concern for Americans who have had their livlihood decimated by employers who utilize cheap foreign labor ? Or the teenager who can't get the short-term summer job because it's filled by illegal adults filling those same positions ? I say bravo to the Sheriff for his courage to do the job that so many sell-out politicians and other officials don't have the stomach to do. Thanks again, Sheriff Glanz. You'll definitely get my vote come next election.

JM, Tulsa (8/22/2007 9:46:23 AM)

If the parents robbed a bank would you feel sorry for their children? Certainly. Should the fact they have children help them avoid the consequences? I don't think so. The parents are aware of the risks of being here illegally.

Regarding being born here making one a citizen, think about how YOUR ancestors became citizens of this country. I doubt most of them took the test.

Doc Smarba, BA (8/22/2007 9:54:32 AM)

JM, the law didn't require MY ancestors to take a test to become a citizen.

Common sense: If you don't like the law, break it. But be prepared for the consequences!

pb, tulsa (8/22/2007 10:06:31 AM)

have to admit doc is right on. On all his comments

Mike, Bixby (8/22/2007 10:17:51 AM)

Being born here by two illegals does not give you citizenship. That is some garbage cooked up by the liberal idiots in this country who cannot read or understand our constitution. If your parents are here lawfully you are a citizen, but if your parents are not here lawfully under our laws, you are not a citizen. It says that all persons subject to the jurisdiction of the US are citizens. Not people who violate the law and cross the border. Read for yourself from this excerpt from the Constitution and the 14th Amendment.

AMENDMENT XIV

Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Doc Smarba, BA (8/22/2007 11:02:14 AM)

So Mike, your contention is that Mexicans are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction when on U.S. soil? Please explain.

Mike, Bixby (8/22/2007 11:16:54 AM)

Doc,

Let me explain. Subject to the jurisdiction thereof means and what our fore fathers envisioned was that you were here legally and did not enter illegally into this country. Since the Mexicans are here illegally and were not subject to jurisdiction when they entered, anyone child that they gave birth to after that is not a citizen. Had they crossed the border with permission from customs or the border patrol, then any child they gave birth to would be a citizen.

jeb, tulsa (8/22/2007 11:43:23 AM)

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States" This has been left open for interpretation. And will follow precedence. I'm pretty sure that every case before has said and identified these children as citizens..... They have birth certificates and social security numbers.

????, Tulsa (8/22/2007 12:13:04 PM)

DOC, you're a very sick person and a BIG racist, I don't care what you say or think. You are just plain sick. You just don't have any idea of what this people go throught and I bet you would'nt last a day in their shoes if you were to be put in that situation. You would cry your self to sleep just so you would'nt think about it. Sick, sick, sick.....And I really can't write here what I really think about people like you. And yes i know what you are going to say next. Typical lefties and so on... I'm proud of this country and If we can get them leagal then yes we welcome them but let's not talk about them like if they were dirt or less than dirt. They are humans just like you and me. think about it , DOC. So you say.LOL

Esperanza, Guymon - USA (8/22/2007 12:25:44 PM)

Jurisdiction is defined as the right, power or authority to administer justice by hearing and determining controversies.

Sorry, Mike, Bixby - you are WRONG! The United States Federal Government most certainly does have jurisdiction over anyone crossing our borders both legally & illegally.

Constitutional Amendment XIV has heretofore been interpreted as meaning that anyone born on US soil is a US citizen by birthright.

With this new wave of governmental parceling out responsibility to lessor entities will result in an easy transition to a "Police State".

Esperanza

JM, Tulsa (8/22/2007 12:33:34 PM)

I agree with you Doc. Sorry if I didn't communicate that properly. My family members immigrated here so long ago, there was no test to take.

One should note that the children of illegal immigrants who get deported don't have to stay here either. They are free to go home with their parent(s).

Esperanza, Guymon (8/22/2007 12:40:28 PM)

JM & DOC:

Your posts are so telling - you are correct, there were no laws that made your ancestors illegal, therefore you both enjoy a sense of entitlement that most Mexicans don't.

Doesn't it make you wonder what activity is going now that will make you and yours illegal in the future? Something to consider.

Doc Smarba, BA (8/22/2007 1:02:10 PM)

A little history lesson is in order:

The 14th amendment, proposed in 1866 and ratified in 1868, was one of the post-Civil War amendments (known as the Reconstruction Amendments). It was intended to secure rights for former slaves. It was written in response to the 1857 Dred Scott case, where the Supreme Court ruled that people of African descent could never be citizens of the United States.

We should also consider the legislation of the era which prohibited the citizenship of other foreign immigrants (The Chinese Exclusion Acts / Immigration Exclusion Act of 1882, for example).

To believe the architects of the 14th Amendment were addressing the offspring of those who had willingly entered the country by ILLEGAL means requires a mental stretch of epic proportions.

Dwight D, Tulsa (8/22/2007 1:08:07 PM)

The right thing to do is so apparent - Deport all of them NOW! It might cost us 20 billion, but after that it will save us 60 billion. Everyone says the economy will collapse if they go, which is so far from the truth it is not funny. The cemetary is full of irreplaceable workers isn't it??? There will not be anyone who will not a get a happy meal if we send them all home to the cesspool they came from. Maybe then, we can get some lettuce free of fecal matter and bacteria.

Doc Smarba, BA (8/22/2007 1:14:19 PM)

Re #20 by Esperanza.

1. What sense of entitlement?

2. You asked, "Doesn't it make you wonder what activity is going now that will make you and yours illegal in the future?"

-Uhhhhhhh... If you're asking about citizenship, I can't think of any laws I've broken that would result in my children having their citizenship revoked. It usually doesn't take a lot of intelligence to follow the law.

That said, if the government, say, wrote a law in the future stating a conviction for driving without proper insurance resulted in the forfeiture of my children's citizenship, I would make darn sure I had insurance before getting behind the wheel.

A good parent NEVER puts their children at risk by breaking the law!

Dwight D, Tulsa (8/22/2007 1:18:07 PM)

Hurricane Dean hit Mexico in recent days, causing considerable damage to that country.

President Bush promised to send aid to Mexico

I propose we send 12 to 20 million Mexicans (who are illegally in the U.S.) back to Mexico, to help them rebuild the country.

Problem solved

Doc Smarba, BA (8/22/2007 1:21:17 PM)

To the person who doesn't know their name (post #17):

Please feel free to write what you "really think about people like (me)".

Go on, now. You won't hurt my feelings. It's okay!