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DHS program helps noncustodial parents
James Richerson landed a job at J & E Corp. in Muskogee through a court program that helps parents who owe child support find work. The Department of Human Services hopes to expand the court liaison program, which currently operates in seven counties. ROBERT S. CROSS / Tulsa World
By BARBARA HOBEROCK World Capitol Bureau
Published:
10/1/2007 1:35 AM
Last Modified: 10/1/2007 1:35 AM
Called simply the court liaison program, it helps parents find work so they can pay their child support.
OKLAHOMA CITY -- The agency known for using a hammer when it comes to child support enforcement has begun using a more gentle tool in some cases.
The Department of Human Services hopes to expand a court program that assists those who aren't paying their child support in getting a job and correcting issues that are barriers to employment, such as drug and alcohol abuse, illiteracy and lack of transportation.
Known simply as the court liaison program, it is operating in seven counties -- Adair, Cherokee, Sequoyah, Wagoner, Muskogee, Oklahoma and Comanche. Officials hope to expand it to include Tulsa County.
Felony convictions stood between Muskogee resident James R. Richerson, 37, and a job. As a result, he wasn't paying child support for his three kids.
"It made me feel bad because I couldn't take care of my kids," Richerson said.
District Judge Mike Norman, who works in a handful of counties including Muskogee, told Richerson about the court liaison program.
Norman said that for many, the choice is go to jail for 180 days or go into the program. Jail time costs taxpayers, he said, adding that if a noncustodial parent is locked up, the child likely is not getting financial support from that parent.
"I don't want them in jail," the judge said. "I want them out working. But if they don't pay any attention to me, I don't have any choice. "
Norman said Muskogee County needs an alternative to incarceration, noting it costs $7,200 to put someone in jail for 180 days.
Richerson is a retail manager at J & E Corp., a wholesale distributor for work and dress clothes, and pet food, in Muskogee. He pays about $450 a month in child support.
"I had everything needed," he said of his past quests for a job. "When it came down to it, my felonies kept me from a good job. My (current) employer looks past it."
The company's owner, Ed Johnson, said: "We feel like they have paid their debt to society. They deserve another chance. He is an excellent employee, always willing and has an excellent attitude. That is what we look for."
Gary Dart, who heads the Department of Human Services' Child Support Enforcement Division, said sometimes people are dead broke rather than deadbeats.
He said he hopes to add eight more court liaisons to the program, including two in Tulsa County. Those in the program represent a very small percent of the agency's child support caseload, he said.
In fiscal year 2007, the Child Support Enforcement Division collected nearly $239 million, an 8.9 percent increase above the prior year. The bulk of the funds, 91 per cent, was passed on to families.
Kent Hartin is a court liaison with the Oklahoma County office of DHS.
"My job really is to help the noncustodial parent find employment," Hartin said. "I help them find employment and point them toward employers so they can pay child support."
Sometimes that involves visiting the employer and discussing options, he said. Other times it means finding a solution to a barrier to unemployment.
If the person is unemployed, Hartin requires weekly visits for an update on the job search. If the person is employed, a phone call will suffice, he said.
He requires 25 employer contacts in five days.
"I might sit down and call every one of them," he said.
Not following the rules will get the person bounced from the program, he said.
Hartin said he has heard all the excuses for why child support is not paid.
"The bottom line is these are your children and you need to take care of your children," he said. "I focus on the child and use that as encouragement. You need to take care of your kids."
Barbara Hoberock (405) 528-2465
barbara.hoberock@tulsaworld.com
By BARBARA HOBEROCK World Capitol Bureau
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Kecia
, Tulsa (10/1/2007 5:31:41 AM)
This is a great program from the sound of it. I know a lot men who are unable to pay child support for the same reasons as this gentleman, so it's nice to see that they are taking a better look at why so many aren't paying, instead of just locking them up and labeling them as "deadbeats." I hope they do start a program here in Tulsa like this.
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AM
, Tulsa (10/1/2007 6:22:29 AM)
DHS will screw it up givin the opportunity to do so. Ever been to a DHS office? Look at that hopeless bunch of high school D+ students. Not them, I'm talking about the employees of DHS.
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L.V.
, Broken Arrow (10/1/2007 7:02:59 AM)
I hope that with this program DHS hasn't taken away their transportation means of getting to a job. I was once a single parent whose ex-husband didn't pay his child support. Oklahoma takes away drivers's licenses of those dead beat dads. At that time of my life I thought I was for that, but the state of Kansas didn't do that. My son's license was taken away here in Oklahoma and I know that he had a hard time getting to his job. He always had to find rides or walk. Weather was a main issue when he had to walk. His job was on Union and 51st area and he lived on riverside.
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R.D. Little
, Tulsa (10/1/2007 8:25:21 AM)
Why doesn't the DHS help non custodial parents with visitation? Thay have been there to collect child support 100% of the time and not one time have they ever helped me and many others with visitation. You think that would be just as important to a child to see their parent. Every time I called and asked for help they told me to go get an attorney. This is absolute discrimination against non custodial parents who the majority are male. Why don't you ask them why they do NOTHING for non custodial parents when it is getting to see their kids? Maybe they would have less child abuse in this state if a parent could check on their cildren.
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tl
, tulsa (10/1/2007 9:02:33 AM)
Child support & visitation are 2 different things. And believe me, DHS doesn't care about visitation... only that the baby's mama gets money to spend on herself.
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M.K.
, Morris (10/1/2007 9:35:10 AM)
It is so discouraging to see the few comments you have gotten. I am a child support worker, and though I cannot speak for every office or every worker, I can speak for my office and for myself. When we look into a child support case we are not just looking at a number or at some "deadbeat", as some like to say. We are looking at children that need financial stability and non-custodial parents that may need a little help getting things "right" again. Our focus is helping, not hurting the non-custodial parent. As of right now our child support offices do not have the legal authority to help our non-custodial parents with visitation. That is why we must refer them to attornies. It is not that we don't want to help, we are just not allowed to. I hope that this clears up some of the misconceptions that are out there.
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pb
, tulsa (10/1/2007 9:39:19 AM)
The dhs looks for jobs, like finding work for dads because they can do it sitting in their comfy chairs on a computer. Visitation would require they leave the comfort of their desk to do something and that isnt going to happen
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KJY
, (10/1/2007 10:04:09 AM)
Oops, sorry, DHS does have a contract with mediation services for visitation and such. But I'm sure you'll find something else to kvetch about! One might ask why you chose a baby mama who would only "spend on herself"!
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Robert D. Little
, Tulsa (10/1/2007 10:05:59 AM)
I am quite aware that child support and visitation are 2 different things. But visitation should be important also. Shouldn't it? It is quite discriminatory to only enforce child support. The majority of non custodial parents are of the male gender. We are negelected unless it pertains to the collection of child support. I would prefer to have my child support sent to the DHS and have the money placed on a "Access Oklahoma Card" then I should be able to see how the money is being spent towards my kids. Instead we are told that we have no right to know where the money is being spent we are only to pay it. Cigarettes, beer, nails, and hair are fine. It is absolutley disgusting! After the way I have been treated by this greed infested court sytem you can never change my mind I have lived through HELL!
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Ken Hartin
, Oklahoma City (10/1/2007 10:10:18 AM)
Hello, I am Ken Hartin one of the Court Liaisons mentioned in the article. I can assure you I do not want a non-custodial parent (NCP) to lose their driver's license or to go to jail. These are TOOLS used by child support to get the attention of an NCP to start taking care of THEIR responsibility. I encourage every person I work with to try and re-establish a relationship with their child or children. Child Support Enforcement (CSE) is tasked with collection of child support ONLY. Child Support Enfocement does not have the authority to order a custodial parent to allow visitation. Furthermore, I do not sit in a comfy chair, although my chair is quite comfortable, and look for jobs for non-custodial parents. I am out in the community everyday talking to employers, agencies and others trying to help these men and women change their lives. This is done by helping them with educational opportunities, transportation problems and employment opportunities. Most of the jobs I and the other Court Liaisons have helped our customers find have averaged $9.00 - $12.00 per hour. The reason I and other child support workers do this job is to help the one who cannot speak for themselves, the child. And, by the way I graduated with a 3.67 GPA.
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k schatz
, tulsa (10/1/2007 10:13:37 AM)
Why do non custodial parents always say child support is just a way for the custodial parent to get more money to spend on themselves? Do they understand how expensive it is to raise a child; how many school lunches, and book orders, and fundraisers, and picture orders, and birthday parties etc their children want to participate in? It is so maddening to bare that burden alone. It is not just about putting a roof over their head. You should not have to beg another parent for helping in the happiness of the child. Sometimes there is a pricetag on that happiness. I hope this program helps non custodial parents to work which only exhibits behavior that sets a good example for their child and relieves the burden the custodial parent feels everyday, not just on visitation weekends.
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marie
, tulsa (10/1/2007 10:14:52 AM)
i agree with you Robert and I am a single parent. I raised my child without childsupport and did just fine. She was never denied by me the right to see her father. It was just the right thing to do. America is corrupt ridden on greed. My daughter grew up knowing what was most important and it wasnt the ol mighty daughter. It is important to grow up with both natural parents and to leave out the money issue. That isnt what it is all about. It is about love and appreciating what you have. Not dwelling on what you dont have. But this constant battle over money and child support is only hurting the kids. Believe me it is hurting them more than doing without the money will do.
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marie
, tulsa (10/1/2007 10:16:06 AM)
CORRECTION: My daughter grew up knowing what was most important and it wasnt the ol mighty DOLLAR!
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Cheryl
, (10/1/2007 10:17:47 AM)
I don't even have any children, but it sure makes me mad when I hear the men (deadbeat dads) complaining that the money goes to the mom and not the kids. Do they not realize how much it costs to raise a child. The costs for the basics, like shelter, food and clothing are just the tip of the iceberg. There's money for school lunches, activities and school supplies as well. And if the mother is working (which she usually is if she can't depend on the child support), there is the ridiculously high cost for childcare. Those men don't have a clue what it cost to raise a child.
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marie
, tulsa (10/1/2007 10:41:37 AM)
Cheryl Until you have kids you shouldnt even comment in here. You have no concept of anything when it comes to children. People who do not have children think money is the only thing their is and it isnt. Children need their parents! They could give a hoot about money that is their mom or the custodial parent talking their.
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ks
, tulsa (10/1/2007 10:42:52 AM)
Robert,
Visitation should not be with held for child support, you are correct. And I am sure as strongly as you feel on this issue you are paying your child support and still being denied your rights. However there are many of us out there that get no support from a non working parent. Children don't need to know about the problems the two adults are having but not all of us are well off enough as the lady who wrote earlier to do it with no support. And even if I was, my ex husband does have a responsiblity to provide for his kids just like I do. Don't you agree with that?
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Cindy
, (10/1/2007 10:51:46 AM)
DHS should check their files, my son just recived a letter from them stating that he was over 90 days behind in child support and he was going to lose his license, the mother of his child is suppose to be paying him! It took us 3 years after the court order to get them to quit taking the support out of his check and never received the payments back. They refuse to take any action against her, she has not done nothing that was court ordered.This has been going on for 6 years.
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Robert D. LIttle
, Tulsa (10/1/2007 10:58:00 AM)
I do agree child support should be paid. Dead beat parents make it hard on paying parents. I have paid it for 12 years and it is higher than my house payment and I am glad to pay it. It comes directly out of my check. Even when I was on industrial disability they made sure I paid it. Before that they even were kind enough to figure in overtime. Something that is not guaranteed pay. Which I have not beeen able to work for over ten years now. They finally figured it on my regular pay after going to court. I can tell you one thing. You can take a black marker and color out my entire decree and on the only thing not black would be child support. Only the child support has beeen enforced in my decree everything else has been a waste of ink.
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marie
, tulsa (10/1/2007 11:05:02 AM)
ks, My child and I survived on my paycheck, not because it was large but because we lived within our means. It was my xhusbands responsibility to pay child support but I was not willing to sacrifice my childs well being on involving her with that. It was much more important to me for her to have him in his life without all the uglies that comes with complaining about the ol mighty dollar which so many do. This all happened before the luxury of just having to say he isnt paying so do something. It would have been much more expensive to hire an attorney and then end up with nothing anyway. My daughter grew up knowing her father and she formed her own opionions of him. Not allowing children to see their children only hurts them. Telling them how bad he is and they suffer because of him only hurts them. Learn to live within your means and think of your children. They only want to be loved an accepted. They dont care about money!
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AGM
, Tulsa (10/1/2007 11:05:28 AM)
#19 I agree wholeheartedly with you. My husband is going through the same thing. I am on both sides of the fence with this and IT IS FRUSTRATING. I can see where DHS is looking out for the interest of the children BUT it's really hard for a a non-custodial parent to feel like they are treated fairly. My husband had to go to court because his ex-wife said he had not paid her any child support since the divorce and guess what DHS takes her total word for it. So my husband receives this tremendous bill from DHS. So then the burden is on him to prove he had paid luckily we had the proof. Frustrating thing is that DHS sends the bill and charges interest without even asking my husband first. Then we go to court and his ex-wife says she did not receive one of the money orders he sent when in fact I sent it certified return receipt requested along with another money order (both in the same envelope), she signs for it - we get the green card with her signature back and DHS tells my husband you'll have to go before the judge to dispute that. TALK ABOUT BEING FRUSTRATED. Then my husband is not allowed to say he owns a business and took a loss oh no, DHS wouldn't hear of that - he had to have more money but his ex-wife can say she doesn't work and lives off the food stamps, sooner care etc..then we come to find out she does work. Granted whether she works or not my stepkids are entitled to child support from their Dad. I don't have a problem with that because one of my sons receives child support from his father. It's just the games that some of these custodial parents play and DHS falling for it that stinks. On the other hand they have handled my son's child support case pretty well but then again I don't play games.
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ks
, tulsa (10/1/2007 11:14:01 AM)
Marie,
Did I once say that my children do not see their father? Did I once say thay my battle with their father was their battle? No and No! My children have a wonderful relationship with their father, regardless of the burden he has put on me. We live within our means but I will not allow for them to sacrifice the fun things in life so his life is cushy and easy. That would be irresponsible of me. As a matter of fact, my ex husbands mother never pushed his father for child support. I wonder where the example came from! He is responsible for them just as I am. I will make no apologies for holding him accountable for that responsiblity. They will some day find out for themselves, but in the meantime it is my fight now theirs. They get plenty of love and acceptance from us both, and plenty of extra things from me and their step father!
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marie
, tulsa (10/1/2007 11:28:53 AM)
KS, You took that wrong, I was referring to Robert's comments. I did not mean to imply that was your case. I apologize it must have come out wrong. I am not blaming you for anything at all. I am sure you are doing the right thing. But a lot of custodial parents do not and are not questioned as they are saying.
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ks
, tulsa (10/1/2007 11:36:56 AM)
Marie,
I agree that both sides of the child support and custody battles have their faults. It really is sad and you do have a good point to all divorced parents, whether we do everything right, everything wrong or somewhere in between and that is, our child end up suffering. It is such a sad state of being and from all of these comments above it just proves how raw we become. I would like to hope that most homes put their children first but sadly we know that is not always the case. We shouldn't need a court to tell us to take care of our kids, financially or emotionally. There are those extreme cases of violence or cruelty that I am thankfully not a part of that the court might need to intervien. I think my frustration comes from the fact that the father of my children is a capable man with no injury or disablility that choses not to work. He makes poor decisions when it comes to the well being of his children. I wish I did not have to be a part of the DHS system but for those reasons I do.
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tl
, tulsa (10/1/2007 11:48:17 AM)
Child support is such a touchy subject. We pay child support for my spouse 2 kids and we have a child of our own. I say we, cause DHS does not take into consideration other children that are taken care of in the home of the non-custodial parent. That child is left with what is left over from the other kids. So the child that gets the support is ok.. the one living with the non-cust gets the bread crumbs. Is that fair??
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marie
, tulsa (10/1/2007 11:51:04 AM)
It sounds like the father of your children is a lot like my xhusband. Unfortunately for him this is a reflection of his character and the children will grow up and recognize that and eventually will form a strong opinion about him. Probably not a good one either. My grown child thinks very little of her father at his own hand. I always stayed out of their relationship and it was good I did. This way their was no resentment towards or directed at me.
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