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Some withholding judgment on ORU

ORU CHIEF
Roberts: He says he pays his family’s expenses.

 
By APRIL MARCISZEWSKI World Staff Writer
Published: 10/7/2007  2:25 AM
Last Modified: 10/12/2007  3:55 PM


Correction
This story misspelled the name of Stephanie Cantees, the sister-in-law of Richard Roberts and an employee of Oral Roberts Ministries.




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Tulsans have seen upheaval before but are concerned how it affects students.

Oral Roberts University captured attention for money woes and messages from God long before a lawsuit filed last week alleged illegal political involvement and misspending for the benefit of the university president's family.

But Tulsans said they are waiting for evidence to back up the recent accusations before guessing at the fate of the city's charismatic Christian icon.

The lawsuit, filed Tuesday in Tulsa County District Court, claims ORU President Richard Roberts required a government professor to make his students help with a local mayoral campaign, in violation of laws for tax-exempt organizations. The suit also includes the summary of a report, allegedly written by Roberts' sister-in-law Stephanie Cantese, that claims the Roberts family used university and Oral Roberts Ministries money for personal purposes. Plaintiffs said they hope the report

isn't true.

Three former professors -- John Swails, Tim Brooker and Paulita Brooker -- amended their lawsuit Thursday to add a claim of "libel/slander/defamation" after Roberts told ORU students in a chapel service Wednesday that he was "not intimidated by blackmail and extortion."

A recent ORU graduate, Michael Branscun, said he's almost come to expect scandals from the charismatic Christian world.

The Rev. Ted Haggard resigned last year as the president of the National Association of Evangelicals and was dismissed as the leader of the 14,000-member New Life Church that he founded. He admitted to "sexual immorality" -- paying a man for a massage and methamphetamine. The televangelist Benny Hinn testified in court earlier last year that he returned profits from investments discovered to be made in a Ponzi scheme.

In "the whole charismatic movement . . . stuff like this seems to always happen," Branscun said.

"In the words of Notorious B.I.G., 'Mo' money, mo' problems,' (and) the easier it is to think you're invincible," he said.

People who appear on television and ask for money "are held to a higher standard," Branscun said.

Roberts issued a statement Friday outlining a variety of procedures to keep ORU and the Oral Roberts Evangelistic Association financially accountable. He said he pays his family's personal expenses.

Amy Sawyer said she was concerned for ORU students, who "don't want their degree to be associated with the reputation (ORU) is accumulating right now."

Branscun said he thinks parents will think twice about paying almost $30,000 a year to send their children to ORU because they'll wonder how the money is being spent.

Jayne Emerson said she thinks people have their minds made up about whether they like ORU. She respects the fact that ORU has a vision and has stuck to it.

As for the lawsuit's effects on ORU, she said, "You know, it's survived a lot."

Oral Roberts, Richard Roberts' father, started the university in 1965. Now 89, he lives in California.

In 1977, Oral Roberts said God told him to build the City of Faith medical complex. The plan faced immediate opposition; state officials were concerned that the city didn't need more hospital beds. The plan was eventually approved.

During the hospital's construction in 1980, Oral Roberts spoke of a vision he had of a 900-foot Jesus assuring him, "I told you I would speak through your partners and through them, I would build it!"

In 1989, with the City of Faith $25 million in debt, Oral Roberts announced it would close.

Oral Roberts told media in 1989 that he was "laughed at, mocked, scoffed" for saying on national television that God would "call me home" if he didn't raise $8 million in early 1987 for a medical missionary program. ORU reached the fundraising goal.

"I myself have been blamed, not immorally or not irresponsible in finances, but because I heard the voice of God," he said in 1989.

Richard Roberts asked supporters in 1989 to donate $11 million within about one month to keep university and ministry operations afloat. Oral and Richard Roberts again asked for money in 1991 to pay the bills "or all hell is going to break loose against this ministry."

Richard Roberts told students last week that he wanted to "tell you what I know."

"I am bursting to tell somebody what I know, but I have been advised by our attorneys not to do that at this time," he said.

Branscun, who said he wasn't surprised when he heard about the lawsuit, said he loved his ORU classes and the dorm life. He wants to wait until he sees evidence of wrongdoing before he forms an opinion. He said that even if administrators made "mistakes," that "doesn't mean the whole university is bad."


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Fred, Tulsa (10/7/2007 3:17:55 AM)
We must believe in prayer and allow God Himself to respond to our prayer. It seems that most of you are answering your own prayers.

Men rise and fall. Sometimes men forget where they came from. Consider David and even Solomon and Saul. God said big things about them but they did not end well because of their wrong choices. How many of us don't make wrong choices?

I think we should rather hold the situation up to God. That means you should not take any sides but pray that God's perfect will will be done. God is definately involved in this. It has to do with His university.

I suggest that we pray for the board of reagents and Richard. He is a child of God like you who needs the mercy and humility of God to make changes if he has to.

Lets cultivate the attitude of David. He still prayed and fasted in the hope that God will change His mind about his judgement.

A lot is going on in the body of christ this year. Randy and Paula white are divorcing. Juanita Bynum was beaten by her Bishop husband and they are divorcing too. Lets not quickly judge these christian leaders/ televangelists as wolfs. Jesus siad "let the Tares grow with the wheat" God has a way of dealing with TARES. Lets remember that we may be the next persons doing the same sin and if you do not pray for your brother, you will not be prayed for.

Richard has afected many lifes around the world. If he has to leave office, it has to be peaceful and cool and not by a court. Lets wait for what the external auditors have to say after they complete their job. Perhaps the Board of regents will ask Richard to leave if the findings are legitimate. It will be better than for a public non Godly court to remove a Christian university president from office or put him behind bars.

This whole thing is not over unless its over so please watch your words. Every idle word is subject to God's judgement. With or without Richard Roberts, God's purpose will be fulfilled through ORU.

No human administration is perfect. It may be ugly but let God have His way and may God be merciful in His judgement.

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Jack Golan, Sacramento, CA (10/7/2007 3:26:10 AM)
Richard and Lindsay,

I've had a vision of a 900-foot Jewish guy who wants me to build a center to find a cure for clergy corruption. He says unless you send me $8 million by Monday, he's going to kill me.

Please send the $8 million right away. I don't want to get killed by this guy. I need you to have faith and do what he says. And just by there being $8 million less in your pocket, well be 99% closer to ending clergy corruption. I take PayPal.

P.S. Lindsay, send me a text message. Just reach out and touch your cell phone ... like a point of contact ...

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sandy alumni , kansas city (10/7/2007 3:59:12 AM)
I question the sensationalism the attorney apparently thrives on. I was taught in law school only a weak case is tried in the media. Isn't Brooker the same professor who said a student got into his university computer authored a document, signed Brooker and his wive's name and sent it out making it appear the Professor and his wife authored the document. Now this same Professor admits recieving a document from the same student who hacked into his computer wrote a letter signed brookers name and sent it out. Now according to a girl from our church who goes to ORU this is the same kid first he did it to Brooker and now he conviently "claims" he worked on her omputer and accidently download this document. Has anyone seen her name signed on the documents? Certainly he wouldn't be doing his little dasterly deed to this woman like he did to brooker and his wife. Just how does one compress a file as brooker told in the paper and end up with files , last i checked to have a file one has to download it on a disc. Compressing files does not neessitate any disc usage, so how did this student get this information when all he was to be doing was compressing her files. Then he runs with it per Brooker some 1 and 1/2 years ago and tells Brooker he accidently took some information from this lady computer. One would think since Boooker knew first hand what it was like to have someone write something and sign his name to it and pass it off and around as though brooker wrote it, seeing how its concidently the same kid would seem logical brooker would have had some real questions about reciving a stolen document then passing it around speially given this kids history- did brooker ever call woman to see if she authored it, is it signed and dated by her, could this kid be repeating his same pattern again. Last I checked the law still neessitates when one takes something they know to belong to someone else they are obligated to return it. Why did Brooker talk to this kid about stealing and returning it. The law is clear they had to turn it to the legal authorities if they suspected whatever. Wonder why they didn't perhaps the wloman didn't write it . Under Brookers laws if I had a copy of the Constution in my computer, it's in my computer so that automatially make me the author. lear he knew the document did not belong to the student,yet he took it. Seems he would have talked to the student about integrity and stealing. He said the woman was upset, if someone steals from my computer and starts cycling its contents around I'd be upset as well. Funny, if the woman wanted to blow the whistle and she was Mrs. Robert's sister she sure could have gone to the regents herself she didn't need Brooker and Swales. Seems if she wanted to blow the whistle she would have been thrilled Brooker had the document and was pursuing it, not trying to get him fired. Let's see Brooker claimed she tried to get he and the Mrs. Fired, and keep his kid from graduating and threatened his family.

Brookers kid according to this girl said her sister graduated with brookers son in december they had no dec ceremony so she and brookers kid had the option of coming back and walking with the spring grads- hard to threaten a kids graduation when he graduated 5 months earlier, as for contracts, this document passing per brooker began in spring 06- brookers taught in the next full calendar year. If Mrs. Robert's got all these perks and according to Brooker the kid worked on her ORU computer sister must live in Tulsa, I'm betting she would have benifited from the perks also so why would she want them stopped? There is always 2 sides to a story wonder what her's is?

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Johnny, Tulsa (10/7/2007 4:20:53 AM)
ROFLMAO, Jack! You beat me to the punch line!
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Real Lawyer, New Orleans (10/7/2007 4:26:18 AM)
If Sandy Alumni in KC is a real lawyer,then I am the King of England. Horrible spelling and incorrect grammar do not help convey his point of view. From an outside viewpoint, what he does attempt to do is try to divert attention from yet another corrupt TV preacher and his wife abusing a position of trust. I am sad for the students.
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The Oracle, Tulsa (10/7/2007 5:06:46 AM)
Beware of those who proclaim that they have discovered new truths that we,as common folks,have failed to discern.Beware of those who present themselves to us unwashed that they have discovered a new and superior approach to the Holy Inspired Word.The Holy Inspired Word specifically warns us of one-man operations.Those who send money to these arrogant,pompous new voices of sholarship,then we must bear responsibility for their opulent,decadent lifestyle.The Holy Inspired Word specifically commands that women keep silent in chuch and be in subjection to their husband.We can observe on numerous occasions the wisdom of such a commandment.......
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Carl Robbins, San Jose (10/7/2007 5:28:38 AM)
The inside joke is ORU means OUR RICH UNCLE.

Follow supplier kickbacks, shell company offshore accounts in Cayman islands, rivers of tax-free money for ill-disguised private inurement, gay sex, older woman and under = aged males. Did I mention the Cayman Islands?

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Ona, Tulsa (10/7/2007 6:17:48 AM)
Carl Robbins you do not know anything! Cayman Islands...they always say that...it is rubbish. Do you really think that RR is hiding money in the Cayman Islands? Are you saying that RR is gay or bisexual? Proof you do not have! Lindsay has a law degree and knows that underage boys would be "jail" time. I do not think she would be so stupid. She is fat anyway, no underage boy would want to have sex with her. Stop the lies!
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JOHN KLINE, TULSA (10/7/2007 6:19:06 AM)
What do you expect? This organization is a "family empire" built on scamming the faithful.
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Carl Robbins, San Jose (10/7/2007 6:32:10 AM)
Richard is "bursting" to tell the truth, Ona, and so are others. Treating rivers of tax-free dollars as your personal piggy bank constitutes private inurement. The president of all of America's evangelicals -- The Most Reverend Ted Haggard -- was caught with a gay male prostitute, as a regular client for two years. Who knows what goes on under evangelical bed sheets these days? Cooler heads than yours will "follow the money" -- tax-free money. And please, don't call Lindsay fat. That's not nice.
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Bob Linehart, Alumni '83, Chattanooga (10/7/2007 7:31:27 AM)
Does anyone really believe Richard Roberts would deny any of this? Many evangelists have been accused and caught in corrupt behavior, only to deny it until irrefutable evidence is brought before them. Then of course, they publicly admit their sin and redemption while trying to hold onto their ruined evangelistic associations. Access to wealth with limited accountability and the constant praise of the camera and the congregation is a powerful temptation to one's ego.

The problem here is that Richard, whether he is guilty of these accusations or not, is ruining the reputation of our alma mater. Is there not anyone else capable of being President of this school? Why do the Roberts have to run this University like a family business? The answer unfortunately is they have turned it into a family business - no accountability, but to themselves.

Most of us who attended or graduated from ORU can tell many stories of Richard's arrogance. Is it not possible to find he and the "first lady" some other grand title, move them to a plush office somewhere in Tulsa, and let somebody else run the school? Someone with unquestionable integrity, a humble personality, and the intellectual qualfications to be President of a University?

Most church leaders have a board of deacons or elders who hold them accountable. The Pastor of my presbyterian church simply wouldn't be able to come to the congregation and tell us "God told me to build a 777 bed hospital. We must do it."

While building the University may have been God's plan and surely there have been great things done for the kingdom of God as a result of ORU's creation, years of being unaccountable for finances and administrative behavior have taken their toll.

I think it is entirely possible to have a great University with a Christian world view, accomplishing many great things for the kingdom of Christ, without Richard Roberts and his pompous family as its President. And yes, the name of the school should continue to be Oral Roberts University.

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Ralph Casteel, Tulsa,Ok (10/7/2007 7:32:05 AM)
#2,4,7,10-Your names are Probably not "Carl Robbins" or "Johnny". But Allow me to speak to you.

I sincerely regret that you hate yourselves so much that you have to make perverted innuendos and criticisms concerning the Roberts and other Evangelicals plus the baseless statements concerning off-shore accounts.

I find you to be absolutely Disgusting and without common Human Decency.You are a detriment to our Society and indicative of the Fallen State of all mankind that needs redemption. NOW, The GOOD NEWS! My feelings and opinions do not matter one Bit~!

GOD, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Loves You and wants to heal your wounds and make you whole so that You can Love HIM and Love yourself and your neighbor..

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Jonathan, (10/7/2007 7:34:40 AM)
Fred you are the only person who had anything to say that was worth reading. Congratulations.

Jack that was actually really funny lol, though completely uncalled for.

Everyone should understand what is at stake here and what is really going on. The "underage males", as the media so foolishly refers to them as, are without a doubt her daughters male friends and boyfriends. And i can tell you w/o any doubt that no one would touch her with a ten foot pole.

"The Oracle"-Which Holy Inspired Word are you referring to?

Carl Robbins you really have no idea what you are talking about. and im guessing Ona doesnt either. Im sorry Carl but what does Ted Haggard have to do with this?

John Kline-- People expect those in leadership to conduct themselves righteously and to hold themselves to a much higher standard than the average person. Especially those "televangelists".

If the accusations are accurate you can be assured that the Roberts will be held accountable for their actions. God will always stand by the truth and He will always take care of those that are walking in it. And He will always hold those who step outside of it accountable. Pastors Billy Joe and Sharon Daughtery are two of the finest examples of that that are on this earth. 10,000 plus member church with a school grades pre-school-12th grade. A bible school, a ministry, a youth program, a young adults program, a community outreach facility. all paid for, no debt, all started in a tent. No scandals. That to me is an example of what God will do for those that are in His will. To the Christians out there- Concern yourselves with the Kingdom of God and with pursuing your own righteousness. God is a just God so you can be assured that justice will be dealt out if necessary. My personal opinion is that alot of people are very naive and dismiss all of this as "attacks from the devil" or "persecution." Equally concerning are those of us who are just as quick to decide that its all true and want to condemn the Roberts. But what if God decides to forgive the Roberts and to give them another chance? What if that were whats best for the Kingdom? Would you be ok with that?

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Carl Robbins, San Jose (10/7/2007 7:44:57 AM)
Gee Ralph, you should be a TV egangelist.

Seriously Bob Linehart, Alumni 83, you're dead right. The dead fish stinks at the head first. There is much worth saving at ORU, -- OUR RICH UNCLE --but it must end the rampant nepotism undermining it from within. The board of regents is laughable. Tax free money build ORU and outsiders -- perhaps a council of evangelical leaders -- must step in and bring professional God-fearing leadership in.

Otherwise degrees from ORU, after it collapses in scandal will be debased. If Richard had any regard for the students and alumni he'd take a well-paid retirement and go fishing. Oh, Lindsay, too.

Carl

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Carl Robbins, San Jose (10/7/2007 8:04:57 AM)
What a telephone call! A leading alumni just called with the best idea yet. Alumni and present students -- those who have the most at stake -- should unite and launch a SORU movement. Save ORU.

As he said alumni and students have invested far more than money -- years of their time and lives. If ORU sinks in scandal much of that will be lost or devalued. A diminished, scandal-plagued ORU will devalue all your hard work and time and follow you in the future. Your fate is tied to ORU. You should have a voice in it.

So how about it, alumni and students. SORU?

It's your years and degrees at stake. Get together, call for that independent evangelical council to pick new leadership and save what's worth saving while there's still time.

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Mark, Tulsa (10/7/2007 9:18:46 AM)
Rev. Billy Graham one of the only true Christian evangelist.

He receives a moderate salary, has a moderate home and care.

His wife never had a salary.

He has always invited the media into his home to show the public.

He has always published full accounting reports to his fellowship.

His son Franklin Graham followed his directions and leadership.

He has never been accused of sex scandals or money misappropriations.

He never has taken advantage of is following.

He has never attempted to build an empire using his name.

He preaches the word of God.

Never claimed to be a faith healer.

He has converted hundreds of thousands to Christianity and rededication of their lives to god. (He even converted Johnny Cash to Christianity)

Every President has requested invited him to the White House and most world leaders meet with him.

Always on the top of the 'Most Admired Men in America'.

Money corrupts. Rev. Billy Graham never got greedy or thought of himself holier than thou.

Possibly Rev. Billy Graham is a true man of God.

When Rev. Oral Roberts told people to send money to him or God would take him home that he had to have the money immediately to build the City of Faith. Rev. Billy Graham stated that he would quit the ministry before he made demands and deadlines to send him money using the name of God and the he was praying for Rev. Oral Roberts. A polite way of call B.S. on Oral.

It saddens me that the allegations of sexual misconduct of Lindsay Roberts 'The First Lady' with underage boys and that Richard Roberts did not know about her actions. The allegations source is in the Roberts Family. These allegations need to be criminally investigated and not by an elected law enforcement agency unless if is proven that no campaign money was ever given to them.

Most Tulsans know of the extravagate lifestyle of Richard Roberts and his family. That he only will hob-nob with the Tulsa Blue Bloods at Southern Hills Country Club. Very few Oklahomans attend ORU. ORU contributes a lot of money to the Tulsa economy, but under what cost is the question. Tulsans do not want money in our economy that has been obtained by false pretense.

The 'So Called Evangelist' Richard Roberts, Jim Jones, Ted Haggard, Carlton Pearson, Benny Hinn, Jimmy Swagart, Jim Baker and the evangelist that was building a university at 27th and Sheridan that was convicted of molesting children, on and on and on. They pray on the weak and will have to answer to God someday, if the media expose them or the IRS or federal prosecutors don't get them first.

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Carl Robbins, San Jose (10/7/2007 9:28:20 AM)
Right on Mark, but the thing to focus on now is to SORU -- SAVE ORU by removing the nepostic leadership and replacing it --- perhaps by a president picked by a council of independent evangelical leaders. New, fresh, clean blood and leadership is needed -- for the sake of the students, the alumni stuck with ORU degrees and for the city of Tula, who's reputation is linked to that of ORU.

All -- including city fathers--- should press for a SORU -- a clean-up at the top so this institution can carry on, and the degrees will mean something, instead of following students for the rest of their lives.

SORU -- stends, alumni and Tulsa city fathers.

I know some alumni are already mobilizing.

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Monty, Tulsa (10/7/2007 9:41:19 AM)
What is the relationship between Richard Roberts and Tulsa County Commissioner Randi Miller?

Why did Richard Roberts endorse her for mayor?

Nobody had heard from Richard Roberts in years till the Tulsa Mayoral election.

Richard Roberts has no political power in Tulsa, as everyone saw, she did not even make it in the primary.

Why didn't Richard endorse Kathy Taylor? Because she is not a true Tulsa Blue Blood just married into it.

Randi Miller is not a Blue Blood. What is up with this? ANYBODY? NOT RUMORS, FACTS!

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Carl Robbins, Sasn Jose (10/7/2007 9:49:49 AM)
Students, alumni, Tulsa city fathers -- unite to SORA -save ORU by bringing in new leadership.

United, you have the power to save this important institution and ensure its name

(and the degrees it issues ) remain respected.

Is it any of your business? Yes. Tax free money built it. An independent evangelical council can pick a new interim president and leadership.

But time is short. Clean your own house before

outsiders do it for you.

That's all from me. Got to go to church.

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Joe Don, Tulsa (10/7/2007 10:01:18 AM)
I feel sorry for the alumni and students that spent money and time attending ORU.

Their degrees are not going to worth the paper they are written on.

Here is the answer to SORU - Save Oral Roberts University. When the university crumbles, which looks like it might happen with the serious allegations and sources being within the Robert's family. Move Bell's into the campus and make a them park. The buildings look like a theme park. We can call it 'Oralbell's', 'Lindsaybell's', 'Bellroberts', 'Jesusbell's', 'Judasbell's'

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Law Un2 Himself, (10/7/2007 10:02:54 AM)
ROBERTS SHOULD TEMPORARILY STEP DOWN

In light of the explosive nature of the allegations against him in the lawsuit, Richard Roberts should step aside as President of ORU until the case has been fully litigated. This would be a good faith effort to show that he is more concerned about the university's reputation and its survival than about his own hold on power, which by his own admission is absolute.

THE BOARD OF REGENTS should immediately request that he step down with the proviso that he be fully reinstated if cleared of the charges gainst him. This would demonstrate to the public that ORU has some system of accountability, even if your name is Roberts.

This ORU grad wants to know: DOES ORU HOLD ITS LEADER ACOUNTABLE?

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Carl Robbins, San Jose (10/7/2007 10:08:38 AM)
Students, alumni, Tulsa city fathers.

You all have an incredible stake. UNITE IN SORU --SAVE ORU by using your moral power and rights as investors of your LIVES and reputations to replace the leadership with an evangelical council-appointed interim president to clean house.

Do you have the right? Yes. Tax-free dollars built it and you have put your years and money into it. And its downfall would be a severe blow to Tulsa.

Think SORU.

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Dale, Las Vegas (10/7/2007 10:19:29 AM)
Is this the end of the ORU basketball team. They are my lock-bet in the NCAA Basketball Tournament during March Madness. They never win or beat the point spread in the tournament. I make a lot of money off the ORU Basketball Team. Oh well all good thing have to end. Thanks ORU for the bets.
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orugrad, (10/7/2007 10:21:08 AM)
Why arent' students protesting??... someone should organize a SORU protest.
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GBS, Tulsa (10/7/2007 10:27:32 AM)
Normally, I'm not a big fan of the IRS. However, on this occasion, I'm willing to change my perspective. I hope they go after this guy and fully investigate these allegations. They will be doing a great public service by fully exposing this crook.
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