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Oral Roberts back at ORU
ON CAMPUS
Oral Roberts:
The university’s founder says “The devil is not going to steal ORU.”
By APRIL MARCISZEWSKI World Staff Writer
Published:
10/23/2007 1:46 AM
Last Modified: 10/23/2007 9:35 AM
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Controversy and rumors continue to swirl around Oral Roberts University and President Richard Roberts has taken an indefinite leave of absence. Do you think ORU will survive this controversy intact?
Oral Roberts returned to his namesake university for the first time in three years Monday and told a chapel packed with ORU employees and students fresh off fall break that no one would take away ORU.
Students had heard rumors that Roberts had returned to campus, but when he slipped into the chapel as George Pearsons, ORU board of regents chairman, was speaking, students nearby recognized him and let out a roar of a cheer that became the first of many standing ovations.
Roberts told the crowd that every allegation raised by a lawsuit against ORU and his son, university President Richard Roberts, was false. He said he was proud of ORU and its accomplishments “for the word of God,” and he said “the devil has come in to steal it away.”
“The devil is not going to steal ORU,” he said.
Oral Roberts said the university was born out of a healing ministry, and so ORU would turn to mediation this week to resolve the lawsuit.
“This will be over and behind us, and my son will be back and be president of Oral Roberts University,” he said.
On Oct. 2, three former ORU professors — John Swails, Tim Brooker and Paulita Brooker — filed the lawsuit, claiming they had been wrongfully fired or wrongfully forced to resign. Their lawsuit alleges Richard Roberts illegally involved ORU in a political campaign, and a report attached to the legal petition contains allegations that Richard Roberts’ family misspent ORU and Oral Roberts Ministries money —and more.
The former professors allege that turning over the report to the board of regents lost them their jobs.
Last week, Richard Roberts took a leave of absence while the allegations are worked through. In the meantime, Oral Roberts and Billy Joe Daugherty, ORU alumnus and co-pastor of Victory Christian Center, are leading the university as co-interim presidents.
Oral Roberts said he had moved back to Tulsa from California.
Pearsons said in a written statement from ORU that whether Richard Roberts will return as president is undetermined.
The board and an outside legal firm are investigating the lawsuit’s allegations and auditing the university.
On Monday, Gary Richardson, attorney for the former professors, said he and his clients asked to work through the issues with ORU before filing the lawsuit but did not get a response from the university.
Now, they do not want to resolve the situation with mediation — rather than in court — unless ORU officials “quit adamantly telling the public that they’ve done nothing wrong and become somewhat humbled by being caught and willing to acknowledge the imperfections of how they’ve operated.”
“We would prefer to move forward and develop the information and develop the case,” Richardson said.
Swails, former head of ORU’s department of history, humanities and government, countered the Robertses’ claims that they have done nothing wrong.
Although he said he had hoped the report he turned over to the regents was not true, he said Monday, “I think we are going to find there is a great deal of fact in these allegations.”
He also said, “I believe and I feel sure that we’re going to be able to prove I was fired for handing that (report) over” as a whistle blower, trying to notify the regents about allegations they thought students were going to make public.
The professors initially turned over the report to administrators because “the allegations in it, if they were true, could have materially damaged the university and the board of regents,” he said.
Shortly after the professors gave the report to regents, they lost their jobs, their lawsuit states. Swails was escorted out of his classroom and taken to his office, where ORU’s top academic administrator fired him and had him escorted off campus, Swails said. Several days later, an administrator called Swails, saying Richard Roberts wanted to talk with him about the report, but Swails said his attorney also would have to be there. The meeting never happened.
Now, Swails thinks ORU wants to “sweep things under the rug” through mediation.
At the ORU chapel service, Oral Roberts, 89, addressing students from a chair on stage, said: “I love you. I believe in you. I trust you. God brought you here, and you’re special to the Roberts family.”
After the nearly two-hour chapel service, students gushed about seeing the university’s founder. Junior Shanae Ryans said it was a privilege to see him, and she thought the ORU community needed to hear the message that “God is in control.”
Freshman Patrick McGillicuddy said before the service that he expected the rest of this semester to be “kind of rough,” as the lawsuit’s allegations continue to be “the hot topic of discussion.”
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pam
, tulsa (10/23/2007 2:29:54 AM)
Daddy can't save your job Richie.
How ridiculous that you would bring your old ailing father to fight the battle that you and the BIG ONE created! Shame on you! for being innocent "THOU PROTEST TO LOUD"
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Carl Robbins
, San Jose (10/23/2007 3:16:31 AM)
ORU FAMILY PROPERTY
CASH-COW, PLAYTHING, FAMILY PROPERTY
Oral's desperate intervention shows ORU is a one-man, one family show -- AND WILL STAY THAT WAY.
The fiction that ORU is anything more than family property is exposed by the family staking it's claim.
Any pretense that ORU is a sober institute of higher learning is gone.
It's identification with an erratic, loose-cannon family of tv evangelists is complete.
The family will NEVER surrender control
SO WHAT TO DO?
Provide your evidence of wrong-doing, documents and evidence-trails to the TW.
RESOURCES TO INVESTIGATE
They have the resources to investigate NOW - ans protect their sources.
QUIT WAITING FOR INTERNAL CHANGE.
DO SOMETHING TO BRING CHANGE.
Wrong-doing is wrong. Wrong-doing in God's name is even worse.
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CARL ROBBINS, SAN JOSE
, (10/23/2007 4:36:49 AM)
You are way too obvious. You comment 24-7 on every article here. You never went there-and said you had nobody there. No ties at all. Then you said you did. OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE. OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE. OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE.
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Carl Robbins
, San Jose (10/23/2007 5:03:46 AM)
GEE ANONYMOUS. calm down. The truth must sting. And why anonymous? Is this you, Richard?
I was a personal guest of Oral and had coffee with him in his private office. On another visit I was his guest at a Johnny Cash concert on the campus.
Yes, I have a relative there as an employee.
I don't like the way he / she has been treated.
So, yes, i have a personal interest in what happens.
And I'm a Christian. Note the kind that said yesterdAy, "when Oral walked in it was like God walking in."
And I'm a taxpayer, and misuse of tax-free funds for personal benefit is also a concern.
And i'm an American. And this farce is seen abroad as another Whacko Waco. It diminishes America in the eyes of people abroad.
(And don't this isn't getting news play in Europe.)
So calm down. Free expression of opinions is still allowed in this country.
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CARL ROBBINS, SAN JOSE
, (10/23/2007 5:09:12 AM)
You say free expression is still allowed in this country. So is OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVENESS without medication allowed in this country.
I'm done reading the paper and taking care of my emails. Have a plane to catch. Bye!
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The Oracle
, Tulsa (10/23/2007 5:30:59 AM)
If U send money to little richard and lindsay then U must bear the resposnibility of their lavish lifestyle and their ridiculous so-called revelations.Go back to the old Tulsa Tribune and World and read about people who were convinced by oral that they were healed and then injured themselves because of that false belief.The victims were kept quiet by "mediation" and pay-offs.
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Barbara Bongodrums
, Houston (10/23/2007 5:36:49 AM)
I don't know which is Carl and which is CARL, but I don't see why anyone with valid information to share would give it to Tulsa World. They even wrote, epenly and honestly, that ORU's troubles are Tulsa's troubles. This was in a recent editorial, no longer available on this web site. That didn't sound objective to me. Yes, jobs and the local economy are at stake, but what about a bigger picture? Have people from ALL OVER made sacrificial gifts that have been misappropriated? Would they TW do the right thing if the right information came into their hands? I'm not sure. I'd like to see an article by TW that shows it would do the right thing if they had the right information. I'd like to see a declaration that Oral Roberts does not personally equal Oral Roberts University, that the University is not family property, etc.
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Outsider
, Tulsa (10/23/2007 6:34:08 AM)
Oral's premise has always been that if you question, disagree with or don't believe his preachings then you must be the "devil." He sees the "devil" everywhere. I feel sorry for the students at ORU who are so brainwashed and not allowed to think for themselves. Let's wait and see what comes out in the lawsuit. It's my understanding the reason ORU has never been affiliated with any certain branch of Christianity (Methodist, etc.) is because Oral didn't want any oversight over his church and school; he didn't want to answer to anyone. Sounds an awful lot like a dictatorship to me. Oh, boy, Oral is back. All is well. Daddy is going to make things right and get Richard's job back for him.
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Carl Robbins
, San Jose (10/23/2007 6:37:40 AM)
ORU IS FAMILY PROPERTY AND CASH-COW
Oral showing up makes it clear the Roberts family is claiming their stake.
ORU's identification with an erratic, loose-cannon family of tv evangelists is complete.
The family will NEVER surrender control
RE TULSA WORLD-- They will investigate and follow all leads. If there's truth to them they will be published. Why? That's what newspapers do. That's what any investigative journalist does.
Watergate was exposed by a newspaper -- not by courts. That came later.
WANT A CHANGE AT ORU?
Give TW the info to follow up on.
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Barbara Bongodrums
, Houston (10/23/2007 7:10:37 AM)
OK, Carl, I agree with you that ORU and ORM is most likely the Roberts' family's own cash cow, an abomination in the sight of the Lord they proclaim to serve. However, when Watergate was exposed, the reporters really didn't believe that the Washington economy would suffer by exposing the wrongdoing of the Nixon administration. They probably felt that Washington, the USA, and the world would be better if those crimes were brought to light. So what I would like to see from Tulsa World is an editorial like, "Tulsa can survive the collapse of ORU," or "Tulsa wants the truth over ORU benefits," or something that shows that, uncomfortable as it may be, the truth must come out, and when it does it will be better, EVEN THOUGH FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, there could be economic and other pain in Tulsa and Oklahoma. But how can one force a nonprofit church type organization to reveal financial information that it, by law, is not required to reveal? They would have to want to, or at least the Board of Regents would want to do it, and they are all in the same boat, taking the best offerings for themselves before they do any work for God. Can you help them get at the books? Or arouse a public outcry that makes it difficult for them NOT to reveal those records?
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Barbara Bongodrums
, Houston, Texas (10/23/2007 7:19:35 AM)
OK. I have an idea. Oklahoma has two US Senators and a number of US Congressmen, just like any state. There are also State Legislators that make state laws. Everybody who is disgusted with the Roberts' cash cow concept should write letters to US and Oklahoma legislators and urge them to IMMEDIATELY push for a re-write on the disclosure laws for churches and other non-profits that solicit funds from the general public over TV, Radio, or through the US mail. (That would leave out the poor local churches that should not be overburdened because of this fiasco.) Those TV, Radio, and mail-order ministries must publish, on the Internet and in writing for all donors, a thorough financial statement showing the total compensation of all officers and lineal family members, and a lot of other details which now are not required to be disclosed. This should be done immediately to apply to 2007 financial statements, which will start to be produced early in 2008. Noncompliance should carry penalties of losing the tax-exemption, daily fines, and criminal penalties for blatant misrepresentation!
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jeff
, tulsa (10/23/2007 7:19:54 AM)
Carl Robbins from San Jose is a known sex offender - and pedophile and needs to shut up.
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oru79
, St Paul (10/23/2007 7:23:56 AM)
Carl & Joe-Ellen, obsessed with talk radio & blongs, smokin' cigs, .... what we call goat ropers.
I worked many "Partners Seminars" 76-79 and was never told by anyone to say I was a volnteer. I made good money, The tips were good.
Oral Nurse (refered to by Carl or Jo-Ellen )was a friend of mine and a real good basketball player. He was not a nursing student.
These blogs have become pretty meaningless, too much BS etc. Doesn't Carl have a life?
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Joe-Allen Doty
, Tulsa, Oklahoma (10/23/2007 7:33:54 AM)
Who is "Joe-Ellen and "Jo-Ellen?" I used to know a Jo Hellen when I went to Northeastern State College in Tahlequah, Oklahoma. Both of us worked together in the upperclassmen cafeterial on campus.
oru79, did you work with Jeff Geuder, a student who was in charge of the students who worked with the seminars? If you did that during the summer, then it is possible that we both might have worked together.
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Anonymous
, Anytown, USA (10/23/2007 7:54:54 AM)
The Devil has already used greed, sexual immorality, and arrogance to steal ORU. Those involved should repent, confess, and turn their lives back to God's mission.
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Bob
, Tulsa (10/23/2007 7:59:02 AM)
Den of vipers.....all of you
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dgd
, Tulsa, OK (10/23/2007 8:00:41 AM)
Didn't Gueuder work for ORU, get demoted, and then either fired or resigned because of the demotion. Worked with his wife....she was from hell...
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dgd
, Tulsa, OK (10/23/2007 8:04:11 AM)
And wasn't Gueder an accountant?
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Davey
, (10/23/2007 8:04:27 AM)
If I were a student at ORU, I would be busy RIGHT NOW determining which real colleges I could transfer to so as to get away from the pit that ORU has become as quickly as possible. The Robertses are shameless, arrogant, irresponsible and completely self-absorbed, and if anyone thinks that ORU will be a decent place to get a legitimate education after this is all swept under under the rug, please reconsider. Get out and get out NOW, while the getting is good. The key first step in righting a wrong is recognizing the wrong: If you are a student at ORU, face it...you trusted some people who were not trustworthy. The way forward now is to acknowledge that fact unemotionally, and prayerfully but bravely do the next right thing. Leave. Quickly.
.
Do you really, in your heart of hearts, believe that the return of Oral Roberts and what he said yesterday can mean anything other than that it will be business as usual once they're able to get this situation "mediated?" C'mon people...you know better. Dave
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Scotty
, tulsa (10/23/2007 8:10:07 AM)
Davey, did you go to ORU? if not, put a sock in it. ORU is a great school, and you have to seperate the Roberts from the University.
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Carl Robbins
, San Jose (10/23/2007 8:14:50 AM)
AWE, JEFF...does the truth hurt that much?
Come on, you can do better than that.
Chapter and verse. Spill the beans. More details, please. We're waiting ....
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JC
, Tulsa (10/23/2007 8:15:25 AM)
Here is an idea: All those who want to go to ORU - go! All those who want to send money to ORU - do it! All those who want to worship Oral and the gang - do it!! Just quit taking the taxpayers money to support your habits!!!
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Scotty
, tulsa (10/23/2007 8:17:07 AM)
Carl Robbins...ORU is not owned by the Roberts, they are employees. Richard, nor Oral can sell the University, thus they dont own it, and for those of you that think ORU is a cash cow, read it's financial statements, it's far from it. You are all hung up on Richards salary, have you looked at other salaries of non profit organizations i.e. United Way, Fannie Mae, Red Cross. Those CEO's make millions, so why dont you really state what you hate. You all hate ministries or ministers, making money. Why? why is it OK for other NPO's to pay CEO's Millions, but you are hung up on Richard making a few hundred thousand. Frankly, I think you all have too much time on your hands, and should find something to do with your lives.
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Bob
, tulsa (10/23/2007 8:18:59 AM)
JC, I'd rather a few hundred thousand in tax payer money go to ORU, then several million that go to OSU and OU coaches....are you daft?
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Carl Robbins
, San jose (10/23/2007 8:20:30 AM)
DAVEY -- THIS IS THE ONE THAT MUST'VE GOT TO
JEFF AND SCOTTY
ORU FAMILY PROPERTY
CASH-COW, PLAYTHING, FAMILY PROPERTY
Oral's desperate intervention shows ORU is a one-man, one family show -- AND WILL STAY THAT WAY.
The fiction that ORU is anything more than family property is exposed by the family staking it's claim.
Any pretense that ORU is a sober institute of higher learning is gone.
It's identification with an erratic, loose-cannon family of tv evangelists is complete.
The family will NEVER surrender control
SO WHAT TO DO?
Provide your evidence of wrong-doing, documents and evidence-trails to the TW.
RESOURCES TO INVESTIGATE
They have the resources to investigate NOW - ans protect their sources.
QUIT WAITING FOR INTERNAL CHANGE.
DO SOMETHING TO BRING CHANGE.
Wrong-doing is wrong. Wrong-doing in God's name is even worse.
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