Brian, Tulsa (10/26/2007 3:10:34 AM)

Come on, let the bill ride and rid our illegal aliens. What we lose in tuition is not going "break" our universities. Get them legal so we can collect fed and state income tax. Don't try to pull the wool over all of us Okies.

The Oracle, Tulsa (10/26/2007 4:32:14 AM)

Take away the tax-exempt status of those who influence legislation in the guise of resigion.As a matter of fact all church property and all church assets should be taxed.Why not tax the property and the jets and expensive homes and expensive cars of the rich reverands.

Jim M, Tulsa (10/26/2007 5:43:01 AM)

What is it that Price and his ilk don't understand about "illegal alien"? The illegals are responsible for rising drug/crime rates, healthcare system costs, and education system costs. These social systems set up for US citizens are nearly dysfunctional now due to immigrant overload. All illegals in the country MUST be accounted for. US social structure and security is at risk.

mike, tulsa (10/26/2007 6:43:54 AM)

Eureka!! for once the "oracle" has written something worth reading!

Dover, (10/26/2007 7:26:28 AM)

I dont want our government to give undocumented illegals a fricken penny. Not a penny!!! COllege or not. Not a red stinking Penny. Story #2: I am so sick of these rev. and priests!!! They need to tend to their business. Preaching in a church about god. Law is not their cup of tea. They are suppose to abide by the laws of the land.

Cher.man, Tulsa (10/26/2007 8:09:14 AM)

Way to go regents! You three abstentions, where are your guts. It's either thumbs up or thumbs down. If you want to abide by the law, (moral & ethical & letter of) it's a no brainer. Thumbs up! Illegals have no rights to my money unless they ask me for it. You are welcome to come into my country legally and we can make it our country as legal citizens. Why am I saying all this to you, when you probably can't read it. Oh wait! Our "prestigious" governor's "duh buddies" will interpret for you.

God Forgive you Dover, (10/27/2007 9:11:54 AM)

Racist people will be punished. Hate will be punished. Get ready for another dust bowl Oklahoma. or to declare bankrupcy as other city who have passed these racist laws have had to do after scaring away hard working, good people.

Dover, (10/27/2007 9:20:14 AM)

#37 Oh you again......Punished.. Lawbreakers are punished also....

That is funny I was not aware the dust bowl days were caused by illegals! I thought it was the weather. We will not crumble based on cleaning up our streets of illegals. We are americans and we are strong. We do not depend on illegals for survival. The only businesses that will be hurt are the ones that hire illegal aliens and the ones that send money to their home country, the churches and I guess maybe these people will have to pick fruits and veggies for us if they want to eat. But life will go on. So get over yourself and your race. Maybe now we can give those jobs to rightous legal immigrants and fellow citizens. Actually I am glad we are scaring you off. That was the point you know....It wont be long until the state you probably moved to will adopt a similiar law. So dont unpack to quickly.

#37 One more thing. Doesnt the state you just invaded have a newpaper for you to comment in?????

Esperanza, Guymon - USA (10/27/2007 10:41:51 AM)

Dover:

Yes, I have made posted in the past trying different ways to make people, not unlike you, understand the evil and inhumane objectives behind this law, to no avail. I have tried logic & reason and I have tried your method of hate & racism. Heretofore, nothing has worked, so I tried love, because even though, you are spewing hate, I am a god fearing person and know that evil is overcome by love and goodness.

You MUST be a Christian, because by the tone of your response (#36) to mine (#34), it seems to have hit a nerve. That's good, Dover, that is EXACTLY what it was suppose to do.

Dover, I am human, I am capable of all the same responses that you and others on this forum can dish out. But I have to tell you, you are sadly mistaken, if you think that I will leave. I am an American Citizen, I have served you (the people of these USA) militarily and I still serve you in the public sector. What I will NOT do is emulate your behavior and act childish, as if merely by your ranting and raving, these human beings will be "herding" about at your whim. THANK GOD, that is NOT the American way. I know what the American way is, Dover and it is NOT the way Terrill would have you believe. Did you know that previously Terrill has "sympathized" with the plight of the undocumented immigrant? Do your homework, my dear "brother", for you know not with whom you lie! You don't know me, but you MAY have seen me, and I wager that you will SEE me again and remember this, "We have only yet begun to fight!"

LOVE, esperanza!

Delware Bob, (10/27/2007 3:37:48 PM)

I am a resident Of Smyrna, Delaware, and I am proud, very proud of Oklahoma for taking a stand on this "Illegal Immigration". Many states will soon be following your lead and I am hopeful that Pennsylvania will be the next State to pass their "Illegal Immigration Law". When they do, Delaware will have to finally do something or we'll have another 100,000 on top of the 50,000 we have here now raping the taxpayers of Delaware.

It's time to take our Country back. The defeat of the "AMNESTY" bill and the "DREAM Act Amnesty" bill is a very good start. It's time for these "ILLEGAL ALIENS" to return to their home countries. I am against breaking up families. If the one being deported has a family, deport the family with them!

Again, I am Very proud of you down there in Oklahoma. Don't back down!

Gio Alcamo, Rochester NY (10/27/2007 5:19:25 PM)

Racist!!! Bigots!!! Hypocrites!!!what you all plant, you all will sooner or later reap back!!!!

use fake names and hide!!!

pay back will come!!!! and will get you!!!!

Who can scape God's justice and judgment?

nobody!!!

You could try to justify your evil and wickedness, but it is useless!

You did all the same to: Indians, blacks, Jews, and other minorities, you are all the same cowards as ever! Truly God's justice and punishment will prevail and stand.

Fear hypocrites!!! fear!!!!

Your Judgment is coming!!!

MAC, San Diego (10/26/2007 5:56:52 PM)

tic toc tic toc come on Thursday! This will set an example and a solution for other States's taxpayers losing their A$s supporting the hordes of Illegals.

SoonerMan918, Tulsa (10/26/2007 6:42:26 PM)

It's going to be funny when all the businesses leave oklahoma and head to texas all because of this racist law. Illegal Immigrants are needed to keep this nation running.

MAC, San Diego (10/26/2007 7:23:11 PM)

Wha? All the Illegals leave so there is no need for the Restaraunts. It's all on scale.

And the remaining businesses will have to pay a decent wage to AMERICANS.

I can live with that.

Esperanza, Guymon - USA (10/27/2007 12:01:41 AM)

MDC:

Are you Christian? Only if you are Christian will you understand that which follows:

1. Even in the Bible, there is reference to the separation of church and state.

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. - - - Matthew 5:24.

2. If we consider loving our neighbor (with no distinction AT ALL) everything will work itself out.

Love worketh no ill to his neighbour; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. - - - Romans 13:10

3. We must consider our faith when making laws that we must live by:

My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man's anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. - - - James 1:19-20

4. Christianity is love and if we consider this complex issue with love, the solution is quite easy.

Spread love everywhere you go: first of all in your own house. Give love to your children, to your wife or husband, to a next door neighbor... Let no one ever come to you without leaving better and happier. Be the living expression of God's kindness; kindness in your face, kindness in your eyes, kindness in your smile, kindness in your warm greeting. - - - Mother Teresa

5. It isn't only the religious nor the holy that talk about love as a solution.

Take away love and our world is a tomb. - - - Robert Browning.

Unfortunatley, that is exactly what Oklahoma is becoming. The irony is that we are becoming a tomb in the hands of they that profess to be men of faith. Out here in Guymon, our own State Representative, a self proclaimed man of God voted for this ungodly legislation.

Hacked, Tulsa (10/27/2007 12:23:58 AM)

I agree with Edward! That is all the Catholic Church is preaching about the poor Mexicans who are illegally using our social security numbers, driving without insurance and license and breaking our laws about being in this country in the first place. No, I do not want my tax dollars funding illegal aliens for college. I have one in college myself and it is very expensive. Why are we allowing this to happen in the first place? Price is way out of line! The reason the law was put into place was we, the legal taxpayers and citizens of the United States demanded it! WE are tired of all the lying, identity theft, wrecks without insurance, and not coming to this country legally. We will not stand for it. We will watch every single politician and we will vote you out if you don't quit giving away our hard earned dollars to illegals.

Dover, (10/27/2007 6:37:29 AM)

Esperanza, Guymon, how dare you make comments about god and religion....In the past you have made hateful, stinging insults, racist remarks against americans, made fun of people, been down right untolerable. SO dont try and change your image because of the article. I think everyone knows you are a mexican standing with illegal aliens against american citizens and know nothing about obeying the laws of the land or Christianity SO GET LOST. Move from your trailer and get on the bus with your illegal buddies.

mdc, Broken Arrow (10/26/2007 4:23:08 PM)

Why Joy? why will the removal of exploited labor bring the economy down? You're the same one that claimed HB 1804 as "unconstitutional" before... yet you never cited examples... tell you what... I'll provide the cliff notes for you and you tell me why it is inhumain... and unconstitutional...

mdc, Broken Arrow (10/26/2007 4:23:48 PM)

Cliff notes for HB 1804...

Section 1 – establishes the title of the bill

Section 2 – states that failure to enforce immigration laws harms safety and welfare of legal citizens.

Section 3 – makes it a crime to move, transport, or attempt to transport any KNOWN illegal aliens. This part replicates a FEDERAL LAW already in place.

Section 4 – states that an individual must show valid proof of legal residency prior to applying for a State driver’s license or ID.

Section 5 – allows law enforcement to verify immigration status or citizenship of any person arrested.

Section 6 – Defines terminology used in section 7

Section 7 – requires public employers to register and use a federal employment eligibility system to make sure applicant is legal to work. And employers can not enter into a contract with a contractor or subcontractor that does not use the same system. Also makes it illegal for an employer to fire a LEGAL employee while maintaining an ILLEGAL employee.

Section 8 – anyone applying for state or local public benefits must prove legal status.

Section 9 – Any contractor that does not have a valid SSN will be charged income taxes at the highest rate allowed.

Section 10 – Calls for state and local law enforcement to work together on immigration enforcement.

Section 11 – students can’t get post secondary educational benefits or resident tuition unless they can prove that they are here legally.

Section 12 – the department of public safety must establish a Fraudulent Documents Identification Unit…

Section 13 – says that students can not enroll in a post secondary educational institution unless they are here legally or can show that they have applied to be here legally.

Section 14 – sets effective date as November 1st

Dover, (10/26/2007 4:24:56 PM)

Joy I gladly have my checkbook ready!!!!!

GO HB1804

mdc, Broken Arrow (10/26/2007 4:25:20 PM)

Joy... please note that the parts of this bill that Rev Orta is saying are unconstitutional are already federal laws... the state is just replicating for the sake of being able to enforce them at the state and local level... waiting for your explanation...

mdc, Broken Arrow (10/26/2007 4:28:55 PM)

And this is about Money for Orta and the businesses cited... they are claiming that the removing of illegal immigrants will hurt their businesses. Orta will lose a large portion of his following who give offerings to his church which pays his salary. Don't kid yourself... it's always about money.

Patrick, Tulsa, OK (10/26/2007 4:37:33 PM)

Agree with #27. If we have become that dependent on people who are not even citizens, our city is screwed up anyway.

Charles, Tulsa (10/26/2007 1:59:00 PM)

Illegal aliens and their sicko supporters had better get use to the fact that HB1804 was passed by over 90% of the state legislature and is a great piece of legislation.The aliens must NOT like democracy.What else do you expect from this assorted bunch of rif-raf.Illegal aliens get out of Oklahoma.This scum costs us millions in terms of education,overcrowding hospital emergency rooms and the attendant problems of gangs,drugs,violence and threats to our national identity.

Edward, Tulsa (10/26/2007 2:20:26 PM)

The Catholic church is on the side of lawbreakers.The church best get its own house in order before issuing stupid calls to disobey the law.As we know the Catholic church is a haven for perverts and assorted molesters.Beltran wants to pander to his flock increasingly populated by illegal aliens lawbreakers.His sickening statement exuded a sour piety and rank hypocrisy the church is well known for.