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Schools see no drain of kids
 
By ANDREA EGER AND NORA FROESCHLE World Staff Writers
Published: 10/30/2007  1:22 AM
Last Modified: 10/30/2007  11:33 AM


Watch a slide show and read all the stories in a series on the immigration of thousands of people from Casa Blanca to Tulsa.

Read all of the Tulsa World’s coverage of House Bill 1804.


Administrators wait to see whether a new law targeting illegal immigrants cuts enrollments.

Principals at Tulsa-area schools are reporting the loss of only a small number of Hispanic students in recent days due to House Bill 1804.

Many school officials said only time will tell whether the new state law, which is to take effect Thursday, will send more families on the run, causing more significant drops in enrollment

At Disney Elementary School in east Tulsa, which has one of the largest percentages of Hispanic students in the district, 48 percent, Principal Louis Galluzzi said one girl told him that Friday was her last day there.

"They were moving back to Mexico," Galluzzi said. "With 825 students total, that's just a drop in the bucket. But I know there are some nerves out there. People are concerned. I think most everyone is taking a wait-and-see approach."

Skelly Elementary School Principal Mike Howe echoed those sentiments.

"I hear rumors that this family

or that family are going to leave, but so far, it's not happening at Skelly," he said. "Of course, it hasn't gone into effect yet. We'll see what happens in the next month if people start getting arrested. Who knows?"

Skelly, 2940 S. 90th East Ave., has about 600 students, with about 30 percent of them Hispanic.

Judy Feary, the principal at Kendall-Whittier Elementary School, said its enrollment was down about 50 to 100 students -- Hispanic and others -- from its normal total as of Oct. 1. The school's student population is 55.4 percent Hispanic.

Myriam Puleo, a parent liaison for Union Public Schools, said she had talked with a handful of parents who were concerned about what HB 1804 would mean for them.

Puleo said she was translating Friday for the mother of a Union student, and when the topic of Early Head Start or Parents as Teachers making home visits came up, so did the new law.

"She was hesitant, because she really did not know if she's going to be here or not. I think in other circumstances she would have said, 'Great,' but she was hesitant because she was thinking about whether to go back or not," Puleo said.

The woman has a child with a disability, Puleo said, adding that she believes the mother is concerned that her child would not receive the same education and services in her home country.

Another mother recently called Puleo to say that her husband had been deported.

"She lives in fear that she's going to be stopped and deported," Puleo said.

Generally speaking, however, Puleo said, immigrants view the school system as a safe place, and those who are anchored in the area likely will keep their children in school.

"I think the implication that they are sensing is mostly the men at the employment level. They're looking at the practical side of this: Will they be able to work and find housing?" she said.

Keith Isbell, a spokesman for Broken Arrow Public Schools, said the district had not had any decrease in Hispanic enrollment so far this school year.

"We've got roughly 100 more kids who speak English as a second language than last year," he said.

The law will not change the district's prime directive, he said. "Federal statutes require us to educate children living in our school district," he said.

Isbell did say that the district altered school identification badges in response to the law. The badges now say, "Badge valid only for employee identification in Broken Arrow Public Schools."

Susan Oare, the principal at Jenks East Elementary School, said she had not seen a decrease in enrollment there, and she is not sure that she would know of such a drop in advance anyway.

"I don't think that they would tell us if they're going to leave. They're not going to tell us in advance would be my guess," she said. "And it does not really affect our business, because we will continue to educate the children that come to us."

Sherri Fair, the principal of the Union district's Boevers Elementary School in east Tulsa, said she believed four students have left her school because of the legislation.

"I've had just a couple of families who've mentioned it as they were leaving, yes," she said. "I think most of what I've heard is wait and watch. I haven't seen a panic like a mass exodus, and our fall enrollment was not down at all."

About 30 percent of Boevers' students are Hispanic, she said.


World staff writer Sara Plummer contributed to this story.


Andrea Eger 581-8470
andrea.eger@tulsaworld.com

Nora Froeschle 581-8310
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By ANDREA EGER AND NORA FROESCHLE World Staff Writers

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Tony G., Tulsa (10/30/2007 6:21:40 AM)
30 to 55%. My God, what is that doing to the school systems finances.

No wonder our school system is in the shape it is in.

Also doesn't say much for the people that are supposed to enforce EXISTING laws

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Fed Up, Tulsa (10/30/2007 6:52:26 AM)
#1 - That's why we pulled our kids out of public school and put them in private schools. They Hispanic kids get all the attention because they are performing below grade level.
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a, tulsa (10/30/2007 6:58:53 AM)
Just wanted to point out that the percentages quoted of hispanic kids is NOT necessarily the percentage of kids from undocumented parents, or who are themselves undocumented. That figure would include ALL children of hispanic descent, and the last figure I heard was that Tulsa's population was about 15% hispanic.
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Bubba, Miamah (10/30/2007 8:37:46 AM)
The kids are legal. I hope the parents leave them for the state to care for.
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MAC, San Diego/Tulsa (10/30/2007 9:11:19 AM)
My daughter cannot send her kids to the school she lives by. Well, she could but the scores of the school are pathetic. If it wasn't for Govt funding the school wouldn't even be open.
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, (10/30/2007 9:18:22 AM)
What? Every public school is Government Funded.
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teen, tulsa (11/1/2007 6:31:31 PM)
Oh my goodness. Adults argue and bicker over the most dumb things. Im hispanic and Im legl(for those of you who consider EVERY mexican illegal) and it does not dpened what race you are to distract the class and bring the "quality" of education down, its the type of person you are
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not racist, (11/3/2007 7:26:00 PM)
Why does this have to bring out the prejudice in some people? Saying the term 'hispanic' should not imply mexican. Yes, some things are going to change and effect those of another race, but why does that mean they are 'the worse students' or that 'get all the attention because they are performing below grade level'.

Try seeing it for what it is, and leave the racism behind. That only reveals your ignorance.

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Teacher, okc (11/9/2007 5:05:59 PM)
Well i must say that my classroom is consisted of majority hispanic students and they are very dedicated #22 could it be that your wife may not like hispanics? They hardly miss any days and are very bright, they come with good hygiene and dress very well compared to alot of the other students how can people who do not teach come and comment yes you may be parents but just because some children do not speak english when they come in don't make them a distraction they actually pick up very quick, thier parents are very dedicated they show up to anything that we have going on compared to some other cultures if i need anything ican depend on them to volunteer, go on field trips, or just to show up to PTA. So before you judge and automatically pre-think that all hispanic children are distractions or are here illegally then please think again i have worked for many years and I enjoy it very much and alot of it has to do with wonderful children that they all are and their parents also. And # 23 are you automatically assuming that those children were illegal or did you work their since you knew exactly how many were enrolled in one month and they were all hispanics! OH MY i guess that was just bad parenting to enroll their children. COME ON PEOPLE
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:), okc (11/12/2007 9:15:57 AM)
Well i just wanted to say that i was reading these comments and everyone makes it sound that illegals or legals or in general hispanic students do not allow american students the proper education due to money or whatever and that is so childish look at the news people you have the super indentants taking thousands of dollars from their own schools that they work for so to be the problem the hispanic people its the people right here in america stealing from our school system look a little outside the box on this one people.
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:), okc (11/12/2007 9:18:50 AM)
I meant the problem is not the hispanic's its our own people that are stealing the money for the education of our children, that is illegal what the super indetants are doing, they are the ones taking thousands of dollars away that you are also paying for so the blame can't just fall on the hispanic people here:)
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B. Oxford, Fayetteville (10/30/2007 12:10:04 PM)
Hola - illegal may not be what the SCOTUS calls a "remitur" of the tax because they don't pay the money directly to the government, but the property tax is passed on to the renters.
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Fed Up, Tulsa (10/30/2007 12:28:17 PM)
TPS Teacher - Both my kids are identified gifted and the school system (it was not TPS) would not do jack for them because they were performing above grade level. The school was only concerned with students that were performing below grade level, even though they are required to accommodate gifted kids. That's why we pulled our kids out and put them in private schools. I get the impression from TPS's website they do a lot more for gifted kids than the district my kids were in.
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earlie joe, Tuhlseh (10/30/2007 12:31:45 PM)
ah canned stannit. ah haits thim eeleagles. less git ar stait cleent up sose wii kun hab gude skewls.
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Chris, Owasso (10/31/2007 10:40:29 AM)
TPS Teacher,

I don't know where you teach, but my wife teaches in BA, and the mexican students are some of her worst students that she has (when they are actually there)

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wtf, tulsa (10/31/2007 4:22:20 PM)
during the tenure of our kids' school years, the class sizes went from averaging about 13-15 at the elementary level to being 27 during our youngest child's kindergarten years. during that year, 4 hispanic kids showed up to sign up for school in one month. The difference between 23 and 24 was a huge impact because those kids could b arely speak english and it just too so much more time, attention, and resources to deal with them, and it created such a distraction for the other kids who no longer had the teacher's attention because she was wrapped up in helping those students who could not understand even the most basic instruction!!! It was to say the least, infuriating.

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and to oxford - you obviously did not get your degree at oxford, it must be from u of a, but renters do not pay property tax. the owner of the home does.

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wtf, tulsa (10/31/2007 4:23:58 PM)
pardon the typos, typing too fast....23 and 27, not 23 and 24.
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TPS Teacher, Tulsa (10/30/2007 10:43:10 AM)
My above statement should read.. because.. not becasue. Sorry....as a teacher I should have proof read my work.
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Fed Up, Tulsa (10/30/2007 11:12:45 AM)
If these students leave the public school system the quality of education will increase for the English speaking students.
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Hola, Tulsa (10/30/2007 11:19:15 AM)
Just a fact...Renters do not pay property tax. The owner (landlord) does.
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TPS Teacher, Tulsa (10/30/2007 11:26:04 AM)
Fed Up: Really?? My 'Hispanic' students work harder than any of my students because education is a priority to them. Your statements are absolutely false. I will lose some of my best students to this law. I understand it and I'm OK with the fact that they need to be legal, but don't bring up the fact that the quality of education will increase, that's ridiculous. Some people on the outside seem to know all the answers....I'm still trying to figure out the questions.
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RH, (10/30/2007 11:44:54 AM)
#7 I doubt teachers will lose their jobs. Right now each classroom is beyond what the schools prefer for their classroom limits. That means that our children have a much harder time learning and teachers have a harder time controlling a class (more kids, more distractions).
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TPS Teacher, Tulsa (10/30/2007 12:02:09 PM)
#17....Again incorrect. My 'Hispanic' students sit quietly and WORK. It's all of the other races that tend to be the distractions. Less kids doesn't mean less distractions, it just doesn't work that way. You are correct in the fact that classes are overcrowded and there may not be a cut back in teachers. I really hope that is the case. I just don't know right now.
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TPS Teacher, Tulsa (10/30/2007 9:37:50 AM)
These statements bring up another good point. Most of the discussions on another board bring up hatred to those who are illegal. With the number stated above my question is this: Have we considered how many teachers (legal citizens) will lose their jobs if even a percentage of the illegal immigrants leave the public schools? If this law sends illegals back to Mexico then there will be consequences for all. I hope we're prepared for it. I support the law, I just hope we're ready.
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, (10/30/2007 9:48:50 AM)
I doubt the majority of illegals go back to Mexico. Those who want to work will go to Chicago, Las Vegas, Fayetteville... anywhere with less backward rednecks. The gang-bangers and other REAL criminals will stay. So you will still have them and their kids to teach.
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