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Terrill leads way on issue

State Rep. Randy Terrill, R-Moore, says House Bill 1804, which he wrote, is a model for states looking to act against illegal immigration. JAMES PLUMLEE / Tulsa World
 
By DAVID HARPER World Staff Writer
Published: 10/30/2007  1:24 AM
Last Modified: 10/30/2007  11:34 AM


Watch a slide show and read all the stories in a series on the immigration of thousands of people from Casa Blanca to Tulsa.

Read all of the Tulsa World’s coverage of House Bill 1804.


State Rep. Randy Terrill says his law school education didn't include a class on immigration law.

However, the Moore Republican said last week that he believes he has become one of the leading authorities in state government on the subject.

Terrill has been in the spotlight as the chief author of House Bill 1804, an immigration reform measure that he describes as the toughest immigration law in the country and a model for other states that are seeking to get a handle on the issue.

However, others believe it goes too far. They have filed a federal lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the legislation, which is scheduled to take effect Thursday.

U.S. District Judge James Payne has scheduled a hearing for 2 p.m. Wednesday on the plaintiffs' request for a preliminary injunction to stop HB 1804 from taking effect.

Although Terrill, 38, said he has always had an interest in public policy, he believed for much of his life that illegal immigration was more of a federal issue than a state concern,

he said.

However, it became apparent to him in recent years that the federal government has "absolutely and utterly" failed to uphold its responsibility to enforce immigration laws, he said.

In such a situation, it is up to the states to take the initiative to uphold the law, he said.

An Alva native and OU law school graduate, Terrill was elected to the House in 2004. He said he asked himself, as a state legislator, what he could do about immigration.

Terrill said it soon became apparent to him that it would take hard work and some help to craft a legally sound immigration reform measure.

He did not take any immigration law classes at OU, so he set about researching the topic at Oklahoma City University's College of Law, he said.

Terrill credited Carol Helm, the director of Immigration Reform for Oklahoma Now; and former state Rep. Bill Graves, whom Terrill described as "a longtime conservative mentor of mine," for their insights.

Still, Terrill's initial effort at comprehensive state immigration reform, House Bill 3119, died in committee in 2006.

The publicity that surrounded that measure prompted about 5,000 advocates for immigrants to rally at the state Capitol.

Terrill said last week that the gathering "backfired" on its organizers, as it led a lot of Oklahomans, who perhaps had not paid a lot of attention to the issue, to make it known that they supported a crackdown on illegal U.S. residents.

Terrill said he has seen information showing that 40 percent of the drug trafficking in the United States is tied in some way to illegal immigration.

"Not all of them are putting roofs on your houses, I assure you," he told a group of Tulsa lawyers last week.

Advocates for immigrants say the vast majority of the undocumented people in the U.S. are hard workers who are just trying to feed their families and keep a roof over their heads.

They also say that many of the people pushing the hardest for immigration reform describe themselves as Christians yet seem to be lacking the compassion for which Jesus is known.

They wonder whether the real motive behind measures such as HB 1804 is racism.

Terrill is adamant that the effort to secure U.S. borders has nothing to do with race and ethnicity. It has everything to do with trying to put an end to a problem that has far-reaching consequences for all Americans, he said.

As the standard-bearer for HB 1804, Terrill said, he has seen its opponents carrying signs with his face obscured by a red line.

Some observers have speculated that Terrill may use this issue as a springboard to higher office.

Terrill said he would be "less than honest" if he said that possibility hadn't crossed his mind.

However, he said, his pursuit of immigration reform has nothing to do with whatever may lie in his future.

States are stepping in to fill what Terrill called the immigration enforcement "vacuum" left by the federal government, he said.

His legislation has become a model for other states, he said. About a dozen of them have seen similar measures introduced, and that total may approach 30 soon, he said.

Certainly people in those states will be watching closely to see whether Payne allows HB 1804 to take into effect.


David Harper 581-8359
david.harper@tulsaworld.com

By DAVID HARPER World Staff Writer

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SoonerMan918, Tulsa (10/30/2007 2:06:35 AM)
That says it all, "They also say that many of the people pushing the hardest for immigration reform describe themselves as Christians yet seem to be lacking the compassion for which Jesus is known.

They wonder whether the real motive behind measures such as HB 1804 is racism."

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SoonerMan918, Tulsa (10/30/2007 2:10:38 AM)
He's a disgrace to Sooner Nation.
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The Oracle, Tulsa (10/30/2007 5:30:50 AM)
Three cheers for the new law that becomes effective November 1st.All who drive should have a legal drivers license,insurance,a safe car,and obey the laws.Take away the tax-exempt status of those "reverands" who influence legislation and harbor law breakers.
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Jim M, Tulsa (10/30/2007 5:53:39 AM)
Hooray for Randy Terrill and the new law! The feds have been an absolute failure in border security and illegal immigration!
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Dover, (10/30/2007 6:18:14 AM)
Way to go Randy.... I think this is great. November 1 will be a day to remember. We will make history and hopefully more states will follow. We need to get our country back and stand proud of it.
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VR, Tulsa (10/30/2007 6:39:49 AM)
Yes, think about this; Jesus would be an illegal immigrant if he returned in his middle eastern body. In case you've forgotten, he was not white, wealthy or Republican!
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:), okc (11/21/2007 6:16:43 PM)
LOL Patty its not speak mexican sweety it's spanish as much as you say you see it you should know that the people are mexican their language is spanish. LOL that is funny and another thing if all of these people go back how do you think that will make america have more money? that will be less people paying for gas, less people buying things in our state so where in this does that mean we will have more money if the education is bothering you its not the hispanic population that is not allowing the american children the proper education due to lack of money its our own people that work in the school system that is taking money from your children have you watched the news lately? And these people (illegals) do pay taxes of course they get nothing back in return but they do have taxes that are taken out of their checks like you and me so they are not here just for free, and yes i do agree that something needs to happen i just don't want to stand behind a HATE group to make it happen you all are just his puppets and falling right into he makes it sound good but read into it he is funded by a hate group. And patty maybe you are ignorant do you know for a fact that these people do not know how to speak english? And another thing all of you may think it is easy to just become legal but it is not, they can apply put 5,000 or so into it and then get denied for no reason just because someone wants the money (easy money) if it was that easy they would all be legal before you judge all of them and just think they are here and not trying to become legal think again you can't just say hey i want to be legal come on people america is taking advantage of that and getting money from the ones that have tried and then say NO so where does all that money go? I have seen it way to many times believe me i work with it everyday it is not fair and if it was done to you then you would take them to court for stealing your money but they can do it to them because they are illegals and they know that there is nothing that they can do fair? NOT to me.
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Nora, (12/5/2007 8:35:48 AM)
I agree with you #85 okc,.I am so tired ot people treating illegals with such hatred. Yes this bill is for sure funded from a hatred group. What I do not understand is why isd Mr. Terrell still holding this office. They pretty much said in the Journal Record that he was funded by a hategroup. But there is so many people backing him up that that just probves how much hatred there is in the state of Oklahoma. Its terrible. Many if not mostly all illegals pay taxes and they get nothing back, they work hard for our econemy,they put in a lot of money into our state. This kind of law is wrong. I do not see how Mr. Terrell sleeps at night knowing that he has broken up so many families. Leaivng children that were born here that are American citizens with no parents. They cannot go to Mexico because they are not from there and people do not want them there.So what do they do. Are we as a nation going to keep standing by and let someone like him dictate how and who we can see. How we live? It is a shame. We are getting to be more like Russia every day. We need to really watch out who we vote for in these elections. Because we now see how much our rights as American citizens are being taken away bit by bit. I only hope we wake up before it is to late.
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Missy, (1/26/2008 8:18:02 PM)
I know of more American's taking advantage of the system living off of welfare and setting on their bums than I do of illegals. And please don't say its because the illegals are taking all there jobs away... Because we all know that is not the truth.. It is only what is said as an excuss as to why they are unemployed....
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SuperDave, Tulsa (3/25/2008 5:02:19 PM)
Personally, I haven't had an opinion on the matter. I always thought that some people don't like Mexicans, hehe. But, one thing that occured to me is I see thousands and thousands of Mexicans working on the roads and highways and at construction sites of all kinds. Oklahoma doesn't have a work force that big waiting in the wings. If we loose that work force we will fall into a labor shortage fed recession. Not being political, just economic fact. You need to get the American young me off of meth and welfare and back into the work force. They've been abscent for about 20 yrs.
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Frankie Freeman, Hesperia, CA (4/3/2008 11:59:58 AM)
Hi from Southern California, from a Native Oklahoman. We want to move back home, and I applaud Randy Terrell for his efforts on the driver's license issue, too. That has nothing to do with being a Christian or not. It DOES have a lot to do with common sense. Why change the law, or the world, to satisfy a few F E W illegals or legals that cannot tell what the signs say. THOMAS EDISON and TEDDY ROOSEVELT said it ! ! They said among other things, LEARN THE LANGUAGE, and ASSIMILATE THE AMERICAN LIFESTYLE. These people want us to become Mexicans, Iranians and so on and so on. GO RANDY!!!!
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Frankie Freeman, Hesperia, CA (4/3/2008 12:05:03 PM)
Hey, Number 85, okc, we have the same conditions out here in So Cal, as Patty describes. Only they are multiplied many times. These people DO NOT WANT to become Americans. PATTY is more in the real world than you are, and she is more right than you. In Fact, are you an illegal with someone typing for you? They DO WANT US TO BE Mexicans , and other illegals. They want OUR world to convert to THEM!
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**, (11/4/2007 3:51:14 PM)
Terril is Hitler reincarnated and you all are his Nazis spreading hate.

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Bobby, Long Beach (11/4/2007 3:56:40 PM)
Ok, Nick, don't get so upset. It seems to me that there are enough Oklahomans who are for enforcing immigration law that you don't need me. Fine. I disagree however, that these people are nothing more than racists- as you and other posters accuse them of being. Final, note, if I told you that I even have a few Mexican friends here in California who are sick and tired of the massive illegal immigration and all the problems it causes, you wouldn't believe that they ARE, friends of mine, or that they ARE against illegal immigration. But that is because a lot of you people boil it down to merely being a problems of racism for people who are against it. Racism goes two ways, however, and in the end American citizens and legal residents concerns, I would think should carry more weight, than people who are here against immigration law.
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Janis, McMinnville (11/4/2007 8:29:50 PM)
Way to go Terrill!!! It's more than time enough to get tough on ILLEGAL immigrants. If we break the law we get punished. If these people break the law the same should happen. We want only our established quota amounts here. Not the millions of extras!!!!!
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Lou, (11/5/2007 9:31:52 AM)
Well i have been reading on what is on here again. And I fill hopeful to think that this so called law will be overturned soon.But it is a shame that people ,rather 'mexicans'or whatever race have to ffel bad because all they did was come here to work. It all boils down to cruelty and you would think after the Oklahoma Bombing and 911 that people would try to be more caring to other people. I agree with ##73,74,76,79. They all speak the truth. I can only believe that someone from another country would go and fight in one of our wars and get promised something and then not follow thru with it. It is a disgrace when someone cannot keep their word. It is true that sometimes I wander if there is some other reason that they really are not trying to get arabic people out of our country if anyone only because they came here and killed alot of people. And they want to wipe us off the planet.They believe to kill Americans they will be rewarded with a place in Heaven. And yet they can keep coming here to learn in our colleages and maybe even to learn things about planes or busses or trains or something else that could be used against us. And they are welcomed here. But an illegal latino person or Mexican person can come here to work and build a life here and even fight in our wars or even go to college to get ahead in life are treated like dogs or even less than dogs. There is something messed up with that. I am in no way prejudice or rude against one race. I was not brought up that way. The only reason I say that about Arabs they heve proved it by not having our trust anymore .I know not every Arab feels that way but now they have made it as to where they cannot be as trusted. As far as I know Mexicans and Latinos have not come here to kill thousands of people. So I was born in Oklahoma and when the bombing happened here I was so proud of Oklahomans standing togeather and helping each other. I was proud to be an Oklahoman. But now with this stupid bill that has come about from a racist group and a racist leader.I am not so proud of Oklahoma at all.Really the United States should never go against its neighboring countries because you never know when you may need their help. If Jesus were to come right now he would be so mad at the way that most of the people have turned against other people. He would say walk a mile in their shoes and live a few days in their lives and see how others treat other people as if they were less than nothing feels.I also agree with "Nurse". I am sure that there a lot of people that would refuse treatment if their life depended on it just due to the color of someones skin or their race. And that is a big shame. But to end this I am going to say to any Mexicans ,or Latinos, or any illegals that I as an American am sorry and disgraced at they way that the United States is treating them. And also that to say Thank You for the help that yopu have given this country.The Statue of Liberty says to welcome those who look for a better life to come and we will welcome them. I know that there should be laws but when our laws are unjust and take forever then it is not really a good law. Because if say an American wanted to go to another country they would not want to be put on hold and go for ten years trying to get there . Because there are Americans living in Mexico now and Mexico did not make them wait ten years to get there. But God forbid if you are Mexican it will take you at lease 5,000 dollars per person and about three to ten years to get here. That is why so many come come here illegal is to make a better future and to put food on their tables for their families. And I dont blame them or any country when they need help.And there are a lot of Mexicans and Latinos and other illegals that come here and they buy houses and cars and they pay taxes because I see it firsthand. There are many more illegals that work and they get taxes taken out of their paychecks and yes their taxes are put in but they cannot get anything back because the United States does not permit it. If we are not careful we are going to make
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Patty, Austin (11/10/2007 8:30:16 PM)
I just wish all the illegal immigrants would just pack up and go home.....just think of all the kazillion $$ the U.S. could save in educational, social, medical, housing & no telling what other costs if these illegals would go back where they came from. I'm sick & tired of seeing EVERYTHING written in English & mexican. WE have to accommodate every language spoken here with ballots, & so many other documents that it's disgusting. There's mexicans here in central TX who've been here 30 yrs. & STILL can't/won't speak English!! Are they simply lazy? ignorant? what? Maybe. They don't have to since everywhere they go WE make sure someone can communicate with them in mexican. It's time to stop and take back our country by electing candidates like Randy Terrill who don't pander mexicans and try to sell our country down the river!!!!!!
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Mark, Moore (11/14/2007 11:08:01 PM)
Thank you for someone finally standing up for the rights of the American citizen. I am proud to live in a state that is fed up with the illegals and is grabing the bull by the horns and making a stand aginst law breakers. Remember our rights? If you break into my house, I have the right to shoot you because you have no right to be there just as the illegals here have no rights here. We are citizens, not them so don't expect me to sell the farm so they can have all the rights and freedoms, we as citizens have faught and died for to protect. If they will come here legally, they will earn the rights we hold so dear. Thank you again for making me proud to be from OKLAHOMA!
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nick, okc (11/3/2007 6:30:18 PM)
Well i just want to know why the only people that are in the spot light are just mexicans as so many people say i know for a fact that they are not the only illegal immigrants here in the us and they are not the only ones that are helping their countries where they came from there is puertoricans, equadorians, chinese, japanese and so on so why not be fair and if that is the case on not wanting illegals here make everyone leave might as well make african americans leave to since they were not originally from here either matter of fact shoudln't the native americans make us go back to? Some of you are really making racial comments i had a friend that served time fighting for our country that died in the war the 2nd year and was told that his family was going to be granted their rights to be here and to this date they are still considered illegal but his blood that he lost and died was for this country there are more than just him that are doing this and in the end no justice. And i do not see people trashing the name of Jesus but it is true he created people in his image and in the end all of you will be judged for judging others that is to something that is not suppose to happen you are not suppose to judge others but that does not stop you for some reason alot of people think they are better, why? when you die your money or material items can not go with you Jesus shoule be ashamed of all of you. especially for this bill that is funded by a hate group what does that make all of you? I for one do not want to known as a racist. And Bobby i would have to agree with alot of the things that Ok Nurse said sometimes its hard to hear the truth isn't it? The native americans were here first and you guys are scared that this country will be taken over by immigrants like you as an immigrant took over this country from the native americans now maybe you see what it feels like.
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Ann, ok (11/3/2007 6:42:13 PM)
I have to agree with nick why is everyone so caught up on the hispanic people? the people that crashed the planes into the twin towers were immigrants to why didn't they pass a bill to make all the people from iraq or where ever it is that they come from leave? i see so many still having the chance to go to college and learn how america works so many of them are nurse's and so on why is it that the light stopped shining on them and now on hispanics? that is so weird to me is someone trying to hide something? Makes me wonder. I just can't understand why they are still able to be here the same country that killed more than 3,000 of our americans and our focus is on mexicans now that is strange.
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Bobby, Long Beach ,California (11/3/2007 7:59:39 PM)
Nick, lets let the 6 billion people of the world come in OK, because, afterall, we Americans don't want to be known as racists. Why are you supposedly so worried about American Indians? Where I live (California) the tribes own dozens of Casinos that bring in billions of dollars from Americans. Billions Nick. They aren't complaining. As for the rest of your arguments, forget it, it's just plain hopeless with people who are stuck on words like hate groups, racists,etc. There is no rational way of talking to people like this. As for Ann, I guess people are talking about hispanic people since they are 95% of the people here illegally. What else can one say, except that all of you people have the right like everyone else, to give your opinion. Perhaps you are even right. Time will tell, won't it. Most Americans realize, after all, that we have a corrupt government consisting of both political parties and they are not going to enforce laws on the books that Americans have put there twenty years ago. Relax, why are you so upset. Afterall, I hear that only felons are going to be deported. Or maybe that bothers you to. It certainly bothers the Mayor of Los Angeles and the Police Chief, they love felons. They protect them all. Good luck Okies.
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Bianca, Tulsa (11/3/2007 8:37:15 PM)
There has been over 25,000 people that have left Tulsa, Oklahoma because of these cruel laws!!! If you do not think there is an impact on that, then you must not think at all! Who else is going to work the unplesent jobs here? THe senetors? For a minimum wage? I do not think so!!!

WE AS IN THE UNITED STATES NEED IMMIGRANTS

You dont need legal immigrants! What you need is to get those lazy bumms that live in gov. apts.of there butts and get to work, and recrut those homeless ppl. that are just roaming the streets! Do you see immigrants off the exits of the high ways asking for money? no, or picking up money off drive through windows? NO! Immigrants are part of the United States! We made this country together!

next time you go to a fast food place, see whose making your food!

Next time someone is fixing your Yard, look whose making it Pretty!

NEXT TIME YOU WANT A TACO...

OR BURRITO LOOK ON WHAT FOOD CATEGORY THAT IS OR NEXT TIME U WANT TO DRINK A "CORONA"

LOOK WHERE IT WAS MADE......

mANY of us come from Mexico, but that's not all! Theres Cubans, Canadians, Chinese, Russian, German! Why can't you talk about them!? We are all IMMIGRANTS! EVEN WHITES! the only true americans are the INDIANS!

And majority of them want this discrimination to END!!!

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Bobby, Long Beach, California (11/3/2007 10:19:19 PM)
The majority of INDIANS want discrimination to end? We should thank illegal aliens for food and shelter, because there wasn't any before they came? OK, whatever you say, Bianca.
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Nick, okc (11/4/2007 2:40:56 PM)
Umm ok Bobby no i am not a felon but someone who has lost a very close friend in this war that was an immigrant and here illegaly but was told that if he was to enter the war that he and his family would be granted their rights to be here and my close friend was killed in the war and to this day 3 years later his family is in fear of being deported that to me is a bunch of bs they are going to have to go back to their country and know that we lied to them and killed their son maybe you have never actually been in a situation where you knew someone that is in this but that is why i am upset yes i agree something needs to be done but it needs to be fair and i am not worried about native americans i was trying to get some people to understand that it makes us all immigrants since we were not here first. and i don't think Bianca meant that we should have to thank illegals for all the food or shelter she to is trying to prove a point in letting some people who may think that this country would be so much better without immigrants understand that they do so much more than what you might think. I have to agree with you Bianca on what you said who will work these jobs? no not the senetors that would be way to much. And you to see my point on whu is everyone so concerned with mexicans when we have so many illegals here maybe it will take another group of iraq's to come and do something before people realize that we are forcing the wrong set of people out of this country and Bobby you may need to double read before you accuse some of saying things that were not said. or maybe just make your way down here and see fit that terrel will keep this new law funded by a racist/ hate group read the article it clearly states it and it also states that he never knew come on someone that funded you 150,000 or so you wouldn't even want to look at what they are or what their beliefs are what a bunch of crap you can say what you want you are down in california let us in oklahoma who are actually dealing with this law discuss this not an outsider.
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Lily, Tulsa, Ok (11/2/2007 7:27:17 PM)
Sorry! I didn't realize that this was a hate site. I can only say; I understand HB1804 but don't agree all the racist comments you've put out here. This law unfortunatly is being mistacken with permission to committ racism (which is a crime, believe it or not) and that is all that will come to pass of it.
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