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HB 1804 in effect
A child looks out over a crowd of nearly 1,000 people who attended a Wednesday night Mass at St. Francis Xavier Catholic Church. The service was held in support of immigrants; the church has Tulsa’s largest Hispanic congregation. Photo by CORY YOUNG / Tulsa World
By DAVID HARPER World Staff Writer
Published:
11/1/2007 1:31 AM
Last Modified: 11/1/2007 9:47 AM
Watch a slide show and read all the stories in a series on the immigration of thousands of people from Casa Blanca to Tulsa.
Read all of the Tulsa World’s coverage of House Bill 1804.
Judge rules against bid for a delay
A federal judge denied a request Wednesday to delay HB 1804 from taking effect, clearing the way for enforcement of the state's new illegal-immigration law to begin Thursday.
U.S. District Judge James Payne issued a written order at 6:04 p.m. Wednesday that said the plaintiffs did not introduce any evidence to support their motion for a preliminary injunction.
The law's chief author, state Rep. Randy Terrill, R-Moore, said Wednesday night that Payne's decision "is great news for the citizens and taxpayers of Oklahoma. I couldn't be more thrilled."
Terrill -- who has expressed optimism that the law would withstand any legal challenge -- said the ruling means "the folks on the side of meaningful immigration reform in Oklahoma have been vindicated."
Payne heard arguments Wednesday afternoon during a hearing that drew a standing-room-only crowd to his courtroom in downtown Tulsa.
He subsequently wrote that the plaintiffs, besides putting on no evidence during the hearing to buttress their request, only made "limited argument in support of their motion."
Payne wrote, "The court cannot conclude that the plaintiffs' right to a preliminary injunction has been clearly and unequivocally established."
The lawsuit as a whole remains alive, but Payne's denial of the injunction means the law goes into effect Thursday.
Charlie Price, a spokesman for Oklahoma Attorney General Drew Edmondson, said Wednesday night that attorneys for Edmondson's office would file a request to dismiss the lawsuit.
The plaintiffs' attorneys, Rohit Sharma of Tulsa and William Sanchez of Miami, Fla., had claimed during Wednesday's hearing that the plaintiffs had shown a likelihood of eventual success on the merits of the lawsuit.
That is one of the factors a court considers when deciding whether to issue a preliminary injunction.
However, Oklahoma Assistant Attorney General M. Daniel Weitman said during the hearing that the plaintiffs had shown no such prospect of succeeding in their claims.
Weitman said the plaintiffs failed to demonstrate sufficient prior court decisions in other cases that would back their legal position.
The plaintiffs argued that HB 1804 is the sort of state "regulation" of immigration that is barred by the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution as well as the federal Immigration Reform and Control Act.
Sanchez said that the state created a law that goes beyond federal law.
Allowing Oklahoma to do this would invite a scenario in which all 50 states -- as well as an array of local governments -- could pass their own immigration legislation, he said.
Weitman, however, said Oklahoma is not seeking to regulate immigration.
This is the second attempt to derail the law. The first lawsuit was filed Oct. 15 in Tulsa federal court.
Payne dismissed that suit Oct. 22.
He found that its plaintiffs -- the National Coalition of Latino Clergy, its Oklahoma affiliate, two churches, a restaurant group and a group of anonymous individuals -- could not challenge the law because they could not show that it had damaged them.
The more recent suit includes plaintiffs who had been notified by landlords that they will be evicted unless they can provide a valid driver's license and a valid Social Security number.
These newly added individuals, who are not specified in the suit, have been told that HB 1804 is the reason for the landlords' action, the suit says.
The Rev. Miguel Rivera, the president of the coalition pursuing the Tulsa lawsuit, said Wednesday after the hearing that if the preliminary injunction was denied, the plaintiffs would take the case to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver.
Meanwhile, the state Department of Public Safety announced HB 1804-mandated changes in the rules for people applying for a driver's license or identification card.
First-time license applicants, new residents, licensees looking to upgrade their license class or anyone with an expired license must now supply documented proof of legal presence in the United States.
The rules do not apply to people seeking to renew unexpired licenses.
The license or ID card of a non-citizen will be clearly labeled with the word "temporary" and will be issued for the period of time the person is authorized to be in the U.S., up to four years.
Applicants who do not provide the required documentation will not receive a license or an ID card.
HOUSE BILL 1804
What is it?
A law that goes into effect Thursday that seeks state solutions to illegal immigration.
What does it do?
The law:
Makes it a state felony to knowingly transport illegal aliens.
Creates state barriers to hiring illegal immigrants.
Requires state contractors to check the immigration status of workers after July 1.
Requires proof of citizenship to receive certain government benefits.
Who’s for it?
The law was written by state Rep. Randy Terrill, RMoore, and sponsored by state Sen. Jim Williamson, RTulsa. It passed the state House on a 88-9 vote and the Senate on a 41-6 vote. Gov. Brad Henry signed the bill. The same month that Henry signed the law, an Oklahoma Poll, conducted for the Tulsa World and KOTV, found that one in 10 Oklahoma voters identified illegal immigration as the state’s most pressing problem. Only education was identified more commonly as the state’s priority.
Who’s against it?
Some religious leaders have said the law is wrong. Attorneys for Hispanic groups argue that it is unconstitutional and are challenging it in federal court. Some businessmen have said the law is a bad idea economically.
What happened Wednesday?
U.S. District Judge James Payne rejected a request for a preliminary injunction that would have blocked the law.
The law took effect at midnight.
Opponents of the law protested at the civic center. Catholic Bishop Edward J. Slattery conducted a Mass in support of immigrants.
What happens next?
A rally against the law is set for noon Thursday at the state Capitol. A lawsuit challenging the law’s constitutionality is still pending before Payne. Although he rejected the requested injunction, he has yet to rule on the merits of the case. He has asked for more written arguments from both sides. A ruling either way could be appealed.
Where can I learn more?
Read all of the Tulsa World’s past stories on the issue and the law itself at
www.tulsaworld.com/hb1804
David Harper 581-8359
david.harper@tulsaworld.com
By DAVID HARPER World Staff Writer
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Jenny from the Block
, Tulsa (11/1/2007 1:57:40 AM)
Hang in there brothers and sisters! The fight is not over yet! Si se puede!
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Rod
, Vinita (11/1/2007 3:28:02 AM)
Hang in there Americans. This law can't be anything but good for we Americans who live by the laws and pay our due taxes. Maybe the federal government will do the right thing for this great country that I have fought for and love so much.
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Neil
, Spring Valley, CA (11/1/2007 3:34:51 AM)
The law is in effect. Send the lawbreakers home. I'm tired of paying for them.
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SoonerMan918
, Tulsa (11/1/2007 3:42:52 AM)
You guys are idiots, Chapman College law professor Francine Lipman writes in a 2006 paper in the peer-reviewed journal Tax Lawyer of the American Bar Association Section of Taxation that the belief that undocumented migrants are exploiting the U.S. economy and cost more in services than they contribute to the economy is "undeniably false". Lipman asserts that "undocumented immigrants actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services" and "contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; filling of millions of essential worker positions resulting in subsidiary job creation, increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and unrequited contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs."
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SoonerMan918
, Tulsa (11/1/2007 3:47:22 AM)
The Economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States depends on whether taxes paid by illegal immigrants and their contributions to the economy make up for the government services which they use, as well as the economic input of the immigrants themselves and the cost of externalities such as added strain on public health that they may add. Those who find that immigrants, including illegal immigrants, produce a negative effect on the US economy often focus on the difference between taxes paid and government services received, while those who find positive economics effects focus on added productivity and lower costs to consumers for certain goods and services. Economists themselves overwhelmingly view immigration, including illegal immigration as a positive for the economy.
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Jim M
, Tulsa (11/1/2007 5:26:44 AM)
Hooray for HB 1804!Pure leftist law school BS from SoonerMan!
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American first
, (11/1/2007 6:00:57 AM)
Sorry #1 but no you can't, take your illegal but home and change your own government if you have so much pride because this is just the first warning shot over your bow.
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Kevin
, Bixby (11/1/2007 6:02:59 AM)
All the protest and demands to break the new immigration law back fired gathering more support of HB-1804
The Rev. Miguel Rivera can go back to New Jersey. Get out of Tulsa.
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BoomerSooner
, Tulsa (11/1/2007 6:06:04 AM)
I thought the Tulsa Whirled's photo of the little Hispanic boy was a nice touch...of PROPOGANDA!
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SoonerMan918: you need to live next door to some of the crap I've had to in the last five years: multiple Hispanic families living in a single family dwelling-all at the same time, many of them illegal (they told me so). None of three children finished high school; the two girls pregnant by their sophmore year and the son expelled for bringing a gun onto the campus! If that is "contributing to the economy" (aka, doing jobs Americans won't do), then we are in BIG trouble. I guess they were being "productive," though.
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I'm with Jim M; Hooray for HB1804 and thank God for Judge James Payne.
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BoomerSooner
, Tulsa (11/1/2007 6:10:28 AM)
By the way, could someone explain -- intelligently -- how in the world someone can claim a law is unconstitutional when that same person legally has no rights/citizenship under the U.S. Constitution?
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I didn't think so.
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boycott
, (11/1/2007 6:14:56 AM)
Boycott Mexico Lindo and El Tequila they want to stop this law from going into effect.
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The Oracle
, Tulsa (11/1/2007 6:19:09 AM)
Those who wear their collar backward and call themselves reverand who advocate,promote,preach and encourage breaking the law should have their tax-exempt status taken away.Is the drop in donations one of the reasons for their "concern"?
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Dover
, (11/1/2007 6:27:51 AM)
STRIKE 2. I am glad the judge seen it the way it was. After all how has this bill damaged anyone when it hasnt even been in effect for 12 hours yet. Oh well let them protest at the state capital. Just goes to show you they are trouble.
I was dining at Los Cabos when the news came in. NO Mexico Lindo or El Tequila. I guess they might have to find a new state to serve!!!
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*****
, (11/1/2007 6:29:37 AM)
Ok Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas your up. Get you bill started and save your states.
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Dan
, BA (11/1/2007 6:45:26 AM)
It's like a breath of fresh air! God bless Randy Terrill!
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UnReal
, (11/1/2007 6:54:45 AM)
What the hell are wrong with people these days. First of Soonerman was referencing a study done by a major university. How many of you have studied the economic impact of illegal immigrants in Oklahoma? How many of you have been told by our state government with actual facts and figures how much they hurt our economy? How many of you lived through the fall of Detroit, Michigan when the big car manufacturers left and went south to build their cars becuase they just couldnt make money, and see how much the Detroit economy fell? This state shocks me becuase we have the WORST education system in the US but guess what that doesnt mean we care about it a whole lot, We care more about the illegal immigrants and kicking them out. When we look back in a couple of years and see how much our economy is negatively impacted by kicking them out and how no action by the federal government to pass new legislation and Oklahoma still being the only state to do so, and we have more questions than answers i will tell you right now I told you so!! Get some facts and figures before making judgments and comments on how it will help us.
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Tater
, Tulsa (11/1/2007 6:58:41 AM)
Hooray for the Judge.....let the Law stand. Let's see it work, discover the impact, and go from there.
Isn't everyone just sick of the "race card" being played? It isn't about ethnicity, but about the LAW.
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C.G.
, Tulsa (11/1/2007 7:01:08 AM)
Mr. Rivera it looks like it is "open season on Latinos" since the judge did not accept your crap yesterday. Too bad they aren't authorized to round up the illegals the same way they round up citizens who don't pay their traffic fines.
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Dover
, (11/1/2007 7:01:52 AM)
unreal I have seen the costs of illegal immigration and it sickens me. SO we might have to pay a little more services and SANITARY fruits and veggies, Teenagers will once again go to work, deadbeats will be able to find work. And your point is??????? Soonerman has staged his argument over and over with a few others and quite frankly I dont agree it is better for us. Not just because of the reasons he said most people base their opinion on.
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a
, tulsa (11/1/2007 7:07:35 AM)
Glad to see there are a couple of voices of reason to counteract the sad, negative, and phobic attitudes of the Oracles and BoomerSooners of this community.
I love my country and my state, but this makes me hang my head in shame.
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Davy Crotchety
, Tulsa (11/1/2007 7:10:58 AM)
#14 ****, Why the heck would TX, AR, MS, and KS adopt similar bills? First, these places, especially Arkansas, are now benefiting from the emigration we have started: rents are up, sales are up, jobs are getting filled, prices are low, and economies are thriving.
And second, 1804 is a bigoted "solution" by politicians who have absolutely no problems harming families and children as long as it furthers their careers. Other State's legislators can't be as bad as ours.
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Larry
, Tulsa (11/1/2007 7:12:03 AM)
This is all much ado about nothing. Law enforcement agencies have already said they have been enforcing the immigration laws on those they arrest. Short of stopping people on the streets and checking up on them, there is no more they can do. And they have already said they won't be doing that.
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Soon everyone will realize nothing has changed, including the illegals.
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Larry
, Tulsa (11/1/2007 7:13:53 AM)
This is and always has been a federal issue. The states are powerless, other than this one scare tactic which has just about run its course.
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*****
, (11/1/2007 7:17:15 AM)
Davy Davy Davy, that is just my opinion on the issue. You have yours and I have mine. But you just wait they will soon have a corrective bill of their own.
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Arkansas Neighbor
, (11/1/2007 7:18:22 AM)
Wow- I wish our politicians had the guts to tackle this problem! Huckabee slammed anyone who dared attempt to do something about these illegal invaders, and our new Democrat governor doesn't seem interested in the least. GWBush: worst president in my lifetime- starting unnecessary wars while leaving our borders wide open to anyone who wants to sneak in.
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