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HB 1804 in effect

A child looks out over a crowd of nearly 1,000 people who attended a Wednesday night Mass at St. Francis Xavier Catholic Church. The service was held in support of immigrants; the church has Tulsa’s largest Hispanic congregation. Photo by CORY YOUNG / Tulsa World

 
By DAVID HARPER World Staff Writer
Published: 11/1/2007  1:31 AM
Last Modified: 11/1/2007  9:47 AM


Watch a slide show and read all the stories in a series on the immigration of thousands of people from Casa Blanca to Tulsa.

Read all of the Tulsa World’s coverage of House Bill 1804.


Judge rules against bid for a delay

A federal judge denied a request Wednesday to delay HB 1804 from taking effect, clearing the way for enforcement of the state's new illegal-immigration law to begin Thursday.

U.S. District Judge James Payne issued a written order at 6:04 p.m. Wednesday that said the plaintiffs did not introduce any evidence to support their motion for a preliminary injunction.

The law's chief author, state Rep. Randy Terrill, R-Moore, said Wednesday night that Payne's decision "is great news for the citizens and taxpayers of Oklahoma. I couldn't be more thrilled."

Terrill -- who has expressed optimism that the law would withstand any legal challenge -- said the ruling means "the folks on the side of meaningful immigration reform in Oklahoma have been vindicated."

Payne heard arguments Wednesday afternoon during a hearing that drew a standing-room-only crowd to his courtroom in downtown Tulsa.

He subsequently wrote that the plaintiffs, besides putting on no evidence

during the hearing to buttress their request, only made "limited argument in support of their motion."

Payne wrote, "The court cannot conclude that the plaintiffs' right to a preliminary injunction has been clearly and unequivocally established."

The lawsuit as a whole remains alive, but Payne's denial of the injunction means the law goes into effect Thursday.

Charlie Price, a spokesman for Oklahoma Attorney General Drew Edmondson, said Wednesday night that attorneys for Edmondson's office would file a request to dismiss the lawsuit.

The plaintiffs' attorneys, Rohit Sharma of Tulsa and William Sanchez of Miami, Fla., had claimed during Wednesday's hearing that the plaintiffs had shown a likelihood of eventual success on the merits of the lawsuit.

That is one of the factors a court considers when deciding whether to issue a preliminary injunction.

However, Oklahoma Assistant Attorney General M. Daniel Weitman said during the hearing that the plaintiffs had shown no such prospect of succeeding in their claims.

Weitman said the plaintiffs failed to demonstrate sufficient prior court decisions in other cases that would back their legal position.

The plaintiffs argued that HB 1804 is the sort of state "regulation" of immigration that is barred by the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution as well as the federal Immigration Reform and Control Act.

Sanchez said that the state created a law that goes beyond federal law.

Allowing Oklahoma to do this would invite a scenario in which all 50 states -- as well as an array of local governments -- could pass their own immigration legislation, he said.

Weitman, however, said Oklahoma is not seeking to regulate immigration.

This is the second attempt to derail the law. The first lawsuit was filed Oct. 15 in Tulsa federal court.

Payne dismissed that suit Oct. 22.

He found that its plaintiffs -- the National Coalition of Latino Clergy, its Oklahoma affiliate, two churches, a restaurant group and a group of anonymous individuals -- could not challenge the law because they could not show that it had damaged them.

The more recent suit includes plaintiffs who had been notified by landlords that they will be evicted unless they can provide a valid driver's license and a valid Social Security number.

These newly added individuals, who are not specified in the suit, have been told that HB 1804 is the reason for the landlords' action, the suit says.

The Rev. Miguel Rivera, the president of the coalition pursuing the Tulsa lawsuit, said Wednesday after the hearing that if the preliminary injunction was denied, the plaintiffs would take the case to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver.

Meanwhile, the state Department of Public Safety announced HB 1804-mandated changes in the rules for people applying for a driver's license or identification card.

First-time license applicants, new residents, licensees looking to upgrade their license class or anyone with an expired license must now supply documented proof of legal presence in the United States.

The rules do not apply to people seeking to renew unexpired licenses.

The license or ID card of a non-citizen will be clearly labeled with the word "temporary" and will be issued for the period of time the person is authorized to be in the U.S., up to four years.

Applicants who do not provide the required documentation will not receive a license or an ID card.


HOUSE BILL 1804

What is it?

A law that goes into effect Thursday that seeks state solutions to illegal immigration.

What does it do?

The law:

  • Makes it a state felony to knowingly transport illegal aliens.
  • Creates state barriers to hiring illegal immigrants.
  • Requires state contractors to check the immigration status of workers after July 1.
  • Requires proof of citizenship to receive certain government benefits.

Who’s for it?

The law was written by state Rep. Randy Terrill, RMoore, and sponsored by state Sen. Jim Williamson, RTulsa. It passed the state House on a 88-9 vote and the Senate on a 41-6 vote. Gov. Brad Henry signed the bill. The same month that Henry signed the law, an Oklahoma Poll, conducted for the Tulsa World and KOTV, found that one in 10 Oklahoma voters identified illegal immigration as the state’s most pressing problem. Only education was identified more commonly as the state’s priority.

Who’s against it?

Some religious leaders have said the law is wrong. Attorneys for Hispanic groups argue that it is unconstitutional and are challenging it in federal court. Some businessmen have said the law is a bad idea economically.

What happened Wednesday?

U.S. District Judge James Payne rejected a request for a preliminary injunction that would have blocked the law.

The law took effect at midnight.

Opponents of the law protested at the civic center. Catholic Bishop Edward J. Slattery conducted a Mass in support of immigrants.

What happens next?

A rally against the law is set for noon Thursday at the state Capitol. A lawsuit challenging the law’s constitutionality is still pending before Payne. Although he rejected the requested injunction, he has yet to rule on the merits of the case. He has asked for more written arguments from both sides. A ruling either way could be appealed.

Where can I learn more?

Read all of the Tulsa World’s past stories on the issue and the law itself at www.tulsaworld.com/hb1804


David Harper 581-8359
david.harper@tulsaworld.com

By DAVID HARPER World Staff Writer

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djj, (8/23/2008 1:04:06 PM)
Jesus always obeyed the law of the land. Any town he went into he obeyed the law. So what makes the illegals think it is o.k. to break the law of the U.S by sneaking into our country and continue to break the law.
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Greg West, Tulsa (11/1/2007 12:58:09 PM)
Soothsayer, thank you very much for your concern. My wife is fine now. She did have to be hospitalized and suffered a mild concussion. She was grabbed by the head and slammed into a car.

Thank you also for acknowledging my service to our Great Nation.

If there are truly those that would have compassion for this attacker, regardless of immigration status, then to them I say; you should join the migration back as well.

I fought for this country, I fought for you. I fought so that you can enjoy your liberty and all freedoms most take for granted. I feel that the problem of illegal immigration had grown to the point that enough true Americans could no longer turn the other cheek.

Personally, I have no compassion for those that deliberately harm others.

"For those that fight for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."

Thanks again Soothsayer, I sincerely appreciate it.

Regards,

MCPO West

United States Marine Corps

United States Navy

Retired

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Americas Mexican, TTown (11/1/2007 1:00:04 PM)
AQUI ESTAMOS, NO NOS VAMOS Y MUCHO MENOS NOS RAJAMOS....LA RAZA UNIDA JAMAS SERA VENCIDA! SI SE PUEDE!
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mj, Tulsa (11/1/2007 1:00:11 PM)
#129 ds- I think the better explanation for not making a point with me is that you appear incapable of answering any direct question. Enjoy you Day of Death.....Muy malo.
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Holly, Tulsa (11/1/2007 1:00:41 PM)
#127 Hitler, Germany. Soo True.
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soothsayer, (11/1/2007 1:02:39 PM)
Amen, brother Greg

If only others would serve and see the true cross section of America- both the good and bad, they too would appreciate what we have- and what we could lose- better!

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Rober Exton, (11/1/2007 1:03:11 PM)
to 121 Sandy#65

Your problem is that you do not think of yourself as an American, but as a Hispanic. Get over it. All successful Americans gave up their heritage when they came here. You don’t see those from Germany continue to speak German or talk of the Fatherland. They did not give there children German names, or do any of the things you advocate. Drop the Hispanic chip on your shoulder.

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mdc, Broken Arrow (11/1/2007 1:07:59 PM)
It's simple... if you have a leaky pipe... what do you do??? You shut off the water, then... you go back and fix the leak.

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Immigration reform without strict consequences for those breaking the LAW... and without Shutting off the flow of illegal immigrants through our borders... is like trying to fix the leaky pipe without shutting off the water first... impossible.

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ds, Tulsa (11/1/2007 1:09:02 PM)
mj: I guess that's a "no" on the beer offer?

RoberExton: You really think people should abandon their cultural heritage and identity when living in America? That's really a sad point of view. Without the diverse cultures melding in this country, we'd be left with nothing but Nascar, Toby Kieth, and Kentucky Fried Chicken. There is no American culture but what others have brought to this country.

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Matthew, Tulsa (11/1/2007 1:09:56 PM)
#4, soonerman - That article of hers was not researched comprehensively, as it blatantly left out the costs of educating children of illegals, providing medical services, and crime fighting costs. Oh, and it was "reviewed" by guess who??? The Latino Harvard Law Review. I wouldn't stake anything on her trumped up stats. She is in bed with southern CA latinos who favor unrestricted immigration. That's right, unrestricted. They maintain that would cause the US economy to boom, benefiting just about everything, including workers' wages. With logic like that, they should be working for the Mexican government.
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Hitler, Germany (11/1/2007 1:11:22 PM)
I see my tactics are still being used for good works. Feed the hatred and bigotry and then feed off of the hatred and bigotry. That's how I got into power, and that's how I held it so long. It worked against the Jews in the 30s and 40s and I see 70+ years later, my tactics still work. Ain't life grand!!
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mdc, Broken Arrow (11/1/2007 1:17:20 PM)
ds... the more you talk, the more you show your "true colors". You accuse anyone that is supporting this legislation of being a racist or bigot. Maybe you're just taking this a little too personal? Racism is alive and well in this country... but not just in "white" people. In fact, how many racist comments or stereotypical insults have you heard from hispanics on these forums?

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It is obvious now that you aren't here to gain perspective and you DON'T respect the rights of american citizens or you wouldn't attack people that don't believe the way you do. To each his own... let the majority (of legal voters) rule. That's democracy.

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You obviously have a personal agenda to change our minds, and change the world. Yet when in a position that had the "authority" to do so... you didn't.

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I know a lot of attorneys... just got off the phone with mine... (investment property stuff)... and my attorney as most others are WAY too busy working to be trolling all day long. You must be good at what you do!

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tim, (11/1/2007 1:18:04 PM)
#134-- now there's one of the millions of innocent hard working victims of racism.

You racist pig. If you don't let the door hit you on the way out of my country, you might just get my boot in your "asno."

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Doug, (11/1/2007 1:18:20 PM)
BEST DAY EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ds, Tulsa (11/1/2007 1:27:22 PM)
mdc: I'm FANTASTIC at what I do, thanks.

I do have a personal agenda and it consists of combating the ignorance that is racism.

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fence builder, (11/1/2007 1:28:23 PM)
1. BUILD THE FENCE

2. Deport the illegals

3. Vote out the amnesty bunch- Bush, McCain, Pelosi, Kennedy, Reid, Graham etc.

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mj, Tulsa (11/1/2007 1:30:52 PM)
#140 That's nunca, compadre. Odd that a celebration for the dead w/b held at a Center for LIVING Arts !

Remember that DUI now warrants an ID check...ICE, ICE ,baby

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ds, Tulsa (11/1/2007 1:32:33 PM)
#144: Golly....Tim the Internet tough guy showed up and claimed the country as "his."

Yeehaw!

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tv star, (11/1/2007 1:33:06 PM)
New show on ABC next year-

Miami ICE

thousands of stories in the big city

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mdc, Broken Arrow (11/1/2007 1:33:22 PM)
Of course you are... like you would say anything else. You're just as bad as a spineless politician that "goes with the flow" instead of taking a chance and standing up for something they believe in. Maybe if someone with some "marbles" would have been in your position and taken action against the "racism" that you claim... then you wouldn't feel the need to avoid this legislation or any type of immigration reform for fear of individuals abusing their power.

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Just like government... if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

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Racism is a problem... and legitimate racism is disgusting... but it is also disgusting when individuals claim "racism" as a defense when they've clearly committed a crime. Pathetic.

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DJ, (11/1/2007 1:36:45 PM)
ds, I seriously doubt your skill. You are not very good at argumentation as exemplified by your continual resort to the ad hominum attack. If you are serious about combating racism why don't you tell us about la raza. I'm under the impression that it's a racist organization. Prove me wrong. Can anybody join la raza or are there racial requirements? Is it a cultural organization? Must I come from a specific culture to join? Enlighten me.
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Get legal!, (11/1/2007 1:38:15 PM)
If you're combating racism, you're fighting yourself ds. Wouldn't that be known as "betaing yourself up", bigot?

I'll bring the Pan de Muerto and the sugar skulls, and of course an uprihgt middle finger for any racist...even if that racist happens to be hispanic!

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john, tulsa (11/1/2007 1:39:21 PM)
I personally get tired of the "diversity" indoctrination. To me diversity does nothing more than group people into category's and point out differences. If we're all American then what does it matter? Additionally, what do we get with the "diverse cultures melding" like you say ds? I'd like to know what you say the Hispanic community brings w/o what you're saying being considered racist. You say we'd only have Nascar, Toby and KFC if we weren't diverse. So tell me w/o making a racist statement what we have b/c we have hispanics here.
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shue, tulsa (11/1/2007 1:40:25 PM)
They can't deport us all we are all inmigranrs even white black and brown. sin nosotros nunca su pais fuera asi de grande
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Lightenup, Tulsa (11/1/2007 1:40:32 PM)
103. 11/1/2007 11:33:28 AM, Greg West, Tulsa

ROFLMA!!! Thanks AM,Lightenup! I was stationed in Sand Diego during my early years of service. (I was in the United States Armed Forces for 30 years)

youtubeDOTcom/watch?v=l7qKD-Ph7ds

(Put a . wher it says DOT)

Ya that it pretty dang funny huh. Especially the pregnant woman LOL LOL LOL

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