Josh, Oru Alum, Pittsburgh (11/14/2007 2:35:44 AM)

Thank you faculty! The best thing about the university has always been the faculty and students. I'm sure the alumni would give a similar vote but they have no statutory role so we must continue to vote with our wallets until competent leadership is chosen. You can forget about current students having a voice.

I hope this spells the end of secretive, arrogant and incompetent executives at "God's University".

ORUalum, (11/14/2007 2:35:46 AM)

God bless the tenured professors for growing a pair and standing up to RR.

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Hopefully RR's "stacked" BOR will also grow a pair and make the necessary changes for ORU to move forward.

MD, Brentwood in England (11/14/2007 2:41:49 AM)

The ORU professors are correct in their "call for greater faculty governance and transparency of university finances".

I hope that includes dumping the WOF regents with their so-called 'prosperity' gospel.

Do you realise that these people (although one or two are not very rich!) could CLEAR the entire ORU debt without having to sell their private jets!

They love the credibility and status that being a regent has given them.

It will be interesting to see if their love for money outweighs any responsibility to ORU that they should have after years of being on the board of Regents.

bertha jones, (11/14/2007 2:59:09 AM)

Give the Roberts their day in court before you decide their fate. Remember innocent until proven guilty. Why is it that it is used for everyone in this country except Christians? If the roberts were muslims, black, or the clintons there would never be a cry to remove them!

Let the court do its job!!!

bikegoiooie, glenpool, OK (11/14/2007 3:27:34 AM)

#4 thank you. I agree with you completely.

Carl Robbins, San Jose (11/14/2007 4:23:23 AM)

STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ..BUT

Only one step.

But huge obstacles remain before there can be any cleaning of the house.

realistic.

BOR -- Who can see Hinn, Dollar, Copeland -- or his son-in-law, Pearson -- as "reformers" leading a clean-up program when their own "ministries" are under Congressional investigation for VERY SIMILAR behavior?

Are they going to say, "this needs changing at ORU --- but not at my own show?"

Especially at a time they're in the hot-seat, being investigated for similar possible abuses.

Again, be realistic.

And what about Oral? This towering but flawed figure will have the final say. Make no mistake about that.

The courts will soon rule on a determination that ORM / OREA effectively controls ORU -- that ORU is, in reality a house lapdog of ORM / OREA -- and therefore ORM / OREA should be included as defendants.

Everyone knows that, but now it's a pyvkuc legal question.

In the end it all gets down to Oral.

Oral is, in the end, why ORU was -- is -- and WILL REMAIN -- a Roberts' family operation, under their effective control.

There's no way, to use his words in chapel, he'll let the devil steal ORU.

-- an opinion from outside the bubble.

Carl Robbins, San Jose (11/14/2007 4:35:41 AM)

POST #4

"Let the courts do its job" -- sounds nice, but cleaning up the mess at ORU is NOT the court's job.

The court issues are narrow and involve claims of improper dismissal of the professors -- not cleaning up ORU.

You've got the two mixed up.

Educate yourself - read the complaint to see what the court will -- and will not --- deal with..

bill ruth, brownwood, tx 76801 (11/14/2007 5:10:22 AM)

Please see the email sent.

I am an attorney and I am sure that there are numerous attorneys who are ORU graduates. One of us needs to file suit against the Regents for allowing this to go on. What stinks is having two regents (both of which are related to ministries that are now under Congressional inquiry for similar financial allegations) control the Board. ...one more example of a "do-nothing" board who have shown themselves only to be patsies for RR. Shame on them! They, more so than Roberts, have damaged the value of an ORU degree and the University, and should be held accountable for being patsies for RR and not doing what they are suppose to be doing. bill

Carl Robbins, San Jose (11/14/2007 5:20:33 AM)

POST 8

Excellent idea. The BOR is culpable for allowing this to happen -- AND they stand in the way of corrections needed.

A suit such as you described in Post 8 could clear the logjam for the kind of changes needed.

It might be the stick of dynamite needed to shake all this loose -- for real changes.

Othewrise, reform has to go through the BOR --- and that's not, in my opinion, going to happen.

ONLY a re-invigorated BOR could stand up to Oral and demand he agree to the necessary changes.

So maybe its time to focus attention on the BOR

-- just an opinion

Former ORU Student Tulsa , (11/14/2007 5:38:56 AM)

I notice carl that you are silent on the vote last night and what that will all mean. the tide has shfited, make no mistake about that............

Former ORU Student Tulsa , (11/14/2007 5:41:37 AM)

april, when are the mssing pages from the documents going to be up on the site

Bill, Tulsa (11/14/2007 5:43:07 AM)

Has anyone information when or if the university will be selling the 5 houses they own that are outside the compound?

Alden, Tulsa (11/14/2007 5:50:44 AM)

Talk about a situation totally out of hand. Who in authority has allowed the old tapes of Richard and Lindsay's BS to continue endlessly on TV? All you need to do is plant a seed, get a prayer cloth, let Richard pray for everyone from the three foot high stack of mail. I'm switching to Benny Hinn, who's the real deal. I bought a Nehru jacket today.

Gail, Tulsa, Ok (11/14/2007 6:07:02 AM)

Has anyone read the other TW article titled, "Who suing who?" The Plaintiff requests both the Plaintiff and Defendant be kept secret. It was filed Nov 5 and under the same judge proceeding in this case. Strange?!

Outsider, Tulsa (11/14/2007 6:09:59 AM)

#4 & #5: Didn't you read the story? The faculty specifically said their vote didn't have anything to do with the lawsuit or its outcome. They voted "no confidence" because of the lack of leadership shown by Richard Roberts. He's run the school into the ground. He's an embarrassment. Get it?

Pastor Reginald Levi Walker, Tulsa (11/14/2007 6:19:48 AM)

My follow Americans and viewers of this message board:

Something for us all to think about before we stand in judgement.

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(Paraphrased) By the same measure you judge, you will also be judged...

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The prevailing opinion that runs my life, as a child of God is the only thing I think or agree with has to be in line with the Holy Scripture. The Scripture speaks volumes on man and my inability to judge another man’s servant. I also know that through my study during my stay at Shorter College- Jackson Theological Seminary. The belief system of the average American churchgoer has some concepts and precepts that I do find troubling. Nevertheless, as I stroll through the pages of the original text of the Old Testament, I can understand why this has happened.

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The Scriptures vividly and loudly informs us of the wiles of Lucifer to take us off and keep us from doing the things God had created us to do. Like Lucifer, sometimes we deem ourselves more knowledgeable than God. Like Balaam, we sometimes choose to speak prophecy of thing never told to us. Then, it falls upon the almighty omnipresent hands of God to correct his servants.

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Therefore, my fellow Christians, please do not rush to jump into a fight that God has already settled with these word centuries ago.

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Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judges another man's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Yea, he shall be held up: for God is able to make him stand.

Pastor Reginald Levi Walker, Tulsa (11/14/2007 6:21:09 AM)

Therefore, I beg that we judge nothing until the Lord come. He will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; do not quickly rush to judge each other so harshly. Think on this: What if those in question were really us. How would we want to be treated? Treat them the same way.

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This is indeed a continuing demoralizing story of Christian corruption and greed. The depths that we have been injured by the well meaning and/or the questionable actions of all of the individuals involved can never be successfully measured because the chasm continues to grow.

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As we continue to travel to the distant future where the actions of these people will be a memory lost in our history books, let us look to God for the healing each of us need. The newspaper expresses and vividly displays the hurts, pains, and agonies that the Christian community and our great country continue to go through. These hurts, pains, and agonies are something that can not be ignored and expected to go away. Indeed, they must be addressed.

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As the children of Israel found themselves suffering under the hard conditions of life in ancient Egypt, they, also found themselves faced with harsh circumstances that brought them much hurt, pain and agony. As they grudgingly traverse the hot dry desert, their hurts, pains, and agonies chased after them. These men hoped to overtake the Israelites and return them to the harsh condition of slavery in Egypt.

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Nevertheless, as the people, united stood by the river complaining about the man God had sent to lead them. Moses lifts his prayers up to God. However, the answer supplied by God was a surprise. ‘And the Lord said unto Moses, Wherefore criest thou unto me? Speak unto the children of Israel that they go forward.’

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In these sad days of disappointment in those we choose to place our spiritual trust in, we now find ourselves looking over of our shoulders as the enemy of hurts, pains, and agony charge over the not to distant horizon.

Pastor Reginald Levi Walker, Tulsa (11/14/2007 6:22:20 AM)

‘You have been warned’

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John 16: 5-16

"Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, 'Where are you going?' Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and Righteousness and judgment: in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

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As God has loved me, so must I love each of you. I therefore plea that you forever remain in God’s love. If you obey God’s commands, you will remain in his love, just as I have obeyed God’s commands and remain in his love. Everything I have told you and posted for you to read was done so that God’s wisdom may be in you and that your wisdom may be complete.

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The most important thing to remember is God has commanded us to love each other as he has loved us. The Scriptures clearly states that greater love has no one than this that he lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends as long as you do what God command.

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God no longer calls me a servant, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, God has called me his friend, for everything that I learned from God about this current situation; I have made known to you. You did not want or desire to hear this from me, but I chose to tell each of you, anyway. Therefore, God has appointed each you to go and bare fruit, fruit that will last. Then God will give you whatever you ask in Jesus name. This is God’s command to each of us: Love each other.

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The words and sermons I have post for you to read were done so that you will not go astray.

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As some unjustly, try to put these pastors out of heaven and assign them to the deepest pits of hell. In fact, at this time they think they are offering a service to God. They continue to do these things because they have not known the God or Jesus.

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I posted what I posted, so that when the time of God’s Judgement comes you will remember that I warned you.

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As always, God bless each of us,

Pastor Reginald Levi Walker

Pastor Reginald Levi Walker, Tulsa (11/14/2007 6:23:36 AM)

Matthew 7:1

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Judging Others

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"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.(see Eze 35:11Mk 4:24Lk 6:38Ro 2:1 2 Mk 4:24; Lk 6:38)

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"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

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As always, read it for yourself.

The Word of God

Former ORU Student Tulsa , (11/14/2007 6:30:35 AM)

Thank you jesus that you call us to discern the spirits and that you do call us to evaluate and make sound decisions. It is a sound decision to evaluate and consider the current goings on at ORU. This is a good thing to do. People of a sound mind are going to evaluate what has happneed there and respond with a sound mind.

Carl Robbins, San Jose (11/14/2007 6:40:42 AM)

GAIL 14

The "other" lawsuit -- mentioned in today's TW -- could be related.

Strange, it's been kept quiet this long, and before the same judge.

Might be coincidental. Might be related. .

That's worth watching.

bikegoiooie, glenpool, ok (11/14/2007 6:44:33 AM)

#11 I do get it and I did read the article. I am not stupid. Also I am not an outsider. Fortunately i have been involved for over 44 years and know that Richard Roberts did not run ORU into the ground, it was already like that when he became President. So don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about when I do.

Gail, Tulsa, Ok (11/14/2007 6:45:16 AM)

FORUS: I read your message on the other article regarding the breaking of their fleshly hold. You are correct. The BOR is being greatly tested as to who will they serve.

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Posting by those who do not understand why this is such a big deal do not understand the spiritual ramification. The "web" as you put it flows from the Roberts and ORU through out the world. Intercession is increasing.

Midwest, (11/14/2007 6:51:49 AM)

4. 11/14/2007 2:59:09 AM, bertha jones,

Give the Roberts their day in court before you decide their fate. Remember innocent until proven guilty. ......Let the court do its job!!!

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--The legal system is an imperfect system. That is why God says try to stay away from it if you can.

-- Case in point: Scott Peterson Trial. Scott is on death row with circumstantial evidence in the death of his wife, Laci.

--There was no DNA, no murder witnesses,

no history of violence by Scott to anybody. Scott was the example of kindness. The two people who thought he was innocent were kicked off of the jury.

--Would you vote to put a man to death with this evidence? Not me and I believe in the death penalty for iron clad cases.

--Example of bad legal system, bad jury, bad defense lawyers, trial by media and internet.

--" Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent— the LORD detests them both. Proverbs 17:15 NIV"

--As Carl pointed out cleaning up ORU is not the court's job. It can be cleaned up right now.

bikegoiooie, glenpool, ok (11/14/2007 6:57:19 AM)

#21 & 14 I agree with you, but my sources says that he and/or she heard that it is a suit against the three professors and there attorneys that are bringing the suit against ORU and my source says that it also has something to do with the messed up lawsuit that they filed Friday and did not include everything in but my source says that is just rumor (people) and media talking about things they should not be talking about and minding there own business. That is what my source tells me, but I am learning very slowly not to read and listen to people and the media.