Carl Robbins, San Jose (11/20/2007 3:29:18 AM)

COMMENT # 2 -- Why Richard will stay on as president.

From today's article

Roberts is on a leave of absence as president while ORU's board and independent auditors investigate the

allegations. After the investigations, the

investigations, the board will decide if Roberts returns to the presidency.

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I predict 3 "outside, independent" reports will provide cover for the BOR to return Richard as president. They are:

1) the independent outside accountants report .

This is being done by a third-level accounting firm located in the backyard of two BOR members under Senate investigation --- Copeland and Hinn.

Who knows what links or connections they

have?

-- Who chose them?

--What role did Pearsons, the embattled Copeland's son-in-law -- and BOR chairman have?

--Why from the Copeland /Hinn neck of the woods?

--Why not a Big Four accounting firm, clearly independent?

-- This "outside, independent" report smacks of a white-wash, and is tainted before it's released.

-- Again, why not a definitive report addressing the specific issues raised from prestigious, first-level accounting firm -- and do it right?

-- especially that issue of 8.8 million for a Student Center that doesn't exist.

-- The issues are big enough.

-- If I was Richard I'd pay for an audit of the issues by a prestigious firm myself to put these questions to rest.

-- the whole accounting thing smells.

2) Outside, independent law firm investigation.

Remember, Enron ordered an investigation by a law firm which cleared them of all wrong-doing.

-- What is the scope of their investigation?

--Did it include finances, or the ethical questions raised?

--Does it include the issue of h 8.8 million for the non-existent Student Center?

--What authority did they have to probe?

--What is included -- or not included -- in the -to-be expected "clean bill of health"?

3) A poll of their own by an "outside polling company

-- the one that's been calling alumni.

I predict it will "find" the alumni want Richard to stay on.

Sure, a vocal minority want him to go, but the outside, professional poll by the NY company will show most support Richard staying.

Hey folks, you've got your faculty poll.

We've got a better on.

LOOK FOR THESE 3 TO PROVIDE COVER for the BOR to back Richard.

Bill, ORU Graduate and Lawyer, Brownwood (11/20/2007 4:19:52 AM)

Blogger #17, interesting post. Who is the independent auditing firm? Most definitely, if this auditing firm has any connection with Copeland and Hinn, it will be skewed....and a worthless audit.

I don't agree that most alumni want RR to stay. ....it is not reflected in the giving by alumni. I truly believe that if alumni liked how the school was being managed, they would give. Perhaps I am just looking at it from my own viewpoint.

Any way, I am more optimistic that with the staff and Public Opinion coming down so hard on RR, why would he want to come back? While he would want to save face and wants the $, an uprising on the ORU reservation is evident.

I have all intentions of filing suit on my behalf and of others who have contacted me, which may not accomplish anything but get a "real" auditing firm involved, provided that this current one is hand-picked by the Copeland group.

Does any one know about Bill Joe Daughtry. I always thought he was a person of integrity. Perhaps that was vain hope since he has been a BOR for many years and let this crap go on. The way I see it, I would not serve on a Board if it was "stacked" with individuals like Copeland, Hinn, L Lea, Tilton, Dollar, J Meyers, etc. So, this, alone, makes me wonder about BJ Daughtry. I have not kept up with it.

Carl Robbins, Ssn Jose (11/20/2007 5:55:02 AM)

ALL THREE 'OUTSIDE' REPORTS ARE STACKED DECKS.

I think all three smell.

The audit by the third-level north Texas accounting firm is especially suspect.

The legal firm review depends on wthat they review, whaht access, what their madate was, how it was carried out -- and a lot of other things.

I personally think it will be a general report, not dealing with the specific issues.

The "poll" is window-dressing of course, to counter faculty polls. There's no way a majority of Alumni want Richard back.

What is the methodology used?

Who from the outside can check and verify?

I believe all three are nothing but pr ploys and orchestrated window-dressing -- to give cover to the BOR to do wants Oral wants.

And they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

--that's how I see it.

Fort Worth, TX, (11/20/2007 6:03:19 AM)

#24

Deuteronomy 18:22

when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

1. A prophet must be an Israelite. (Born again Bible - adhering Christians, being spiritual Israel, thereby qualify)

2. Prophets must speak not of their own accord or in their own name or any other, but in the Name of the Lord only.

3. Prophecies must be consistent with prior revelation.

4. Prophecies must not encourage idolatry or any other sin.

5. All prophecies must come true.

Carl Robbins, (11/20/2007 6:05:13 AM)

Bill -- 19

No gag order is in place at this time.

A petition for one was filed by Roberts' attorneys, which I understand will be ruled on in the early Dec. hearings.

Richard has probably already blown any chance of getting the gag order by giving interviews and trying to clean up his public image.

The name of the relativevly small accounting firm in N. Texas was posted, but I don't remember it.

Mys guess is Pearsons (chairman of the BOR and son-in-law of Copeland, and Copeland picked it.)

Perhaps someone can remind us he name and location.

~sojourner, Adair (11/20/2007 6:12:56 AM)

Yes, contrary to OT scripture stating a TRUE prophet of God is never wrong, the charasmatic prophets believe it's okay to give false prophecies. I saw Benny teach on this... he said when you are first learning to use the "gift of prophecy" alot of times you mess up, and don't hear correctly. But the more you practice the better you get. He said at this point in his life, he is never wrong, but it took him time to get to where he is. I kid you not, this is what they teach and believe.I've heard most all of them say/teach the same thing, not surprisingly, they have almost all of them given false prophecies at some point in their ministries. God says one mistake and you are out... but these prophets add to God's Word and teach another gospel, saying that a true prophet can give a false prophecy. Again the question arises, who are you going to believe? God or man?

Carl Robbins, San Jose (11/20/2007 6:17:59 AM)

#20 Grassley

Senator Grassly, while not chairman, in the ranking member -- top republican.

However this committee is very bi-partisan and Grassley and Sen Baucas, the chairman,

have a long and excellent record of working together.

For purposes of these tv evangelists

they will be united.

Some things smell so much partisan politics takes a back seat.

It think this is one of them.

And how much better a conservative republican Christian senator is leading this major investigation.

(It was't smart for Copeland's web site to post the chapel service where one of the Copelands called this inquiry

the work of the Anti-Christ.

Not a good way to win friends and influence people -- but then, though they're good at fund-raising, these folks are rocket scientists..

They';re just ORU Regents

I guess they'll have future BOR meetings at various federal correctional institutions

Oh, did you hear that in an effort to up-grade the ethical standards of he BOR they've asked

"Dr. Barry Bonds" to come on board as co-chairman?

Carl Robbins, (11/20/2007 6:22:43 AM)

29 Read, "NOT rocket scientists."

Grassley's committee has the Copeland clip where're they're called agents of the Anti-Christ.

Alden, Tulsa (11/20/2007 7:01:50 AM)

Carl, Carl, Carl. Be calm. Breathe some more of that California air. Are you taking bets on your position?

Pastor Reginald Levi Walker, Tulsa (11/20/2007 7:11:53 AM)

IT IS JUST A SHAME!!!!!! Corrupt and unethical U.S. senators to investigate false prophets televangelists, including ORU regents? IT IS JUST A CRYING SHAME!!!!!!!

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It is just a shame

That people do not think.

They just talk to hear themselves.

It was not to very long ago

They were singing his praises.

Now, they call him a false prophet.

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They just do not understand

They were at all his meetings

Raising their hands in agreement

To every word he said.

If he is really a false prophet,

Then, they are followers, students,

Teachers, preachers, and believers

Of this false prophet too.

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And by your words you shall be condemned.

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Since judgement begins in the house of God, then the rest of the world should get ready because you are next.

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It is coming it has been foretold. God was not lying when in Revelations, He said He was coming back with a vengeance.

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Only God is qualified to judge and our judgement day is quickly coming.

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very interesting, Tulsa (11/20/2007 7:12:22 AM)

Wow! Different picture of Richard! I like the other one better.

D Armstrong, (11/20/2007 6:44:22 AM)

From what I hear, RR is going to be named Chancellor and OR will be moved to Chancellor Emeritus or something. This way RR keeps the house and has no day to day role.

~sojourner, Adair (11/20/2007 6:29:26 AM)

Oh, I'm sure Grassley's committee has all kinds of clips! I know I've led them to a few. I'm also sure I'm not the only one! People can knock Ole Anthony all they want, the man is right on the money when it comes to these televangelists. No pun intended.lol

'77 Alum, Dallas (11/20/2007 5:26:45 AM)

QUESTION FOR THOSE IN CHARISMATIC CIRCLES ON PROPHETS

How does the Charismatics/Pentacostals define "prophets". Are they allowed to "mess up" occasionally (written off sometimes due to the sin nature?) or should they be 100% correct all the time. Were any of the Biblical prophets "wrong"-if so, were they then considered charlatans ?? Inquiring minds would like to know !!

'77 Alum, Dallas (11/20/2007 5:25:55 AM)

387. 11/19/2007 8:25:34 PM, peachykeen, ga

There were 2 votes today. OR and RR showed up and tried to attend. The folks at the door refused them entry. They were not "happy campers." But they really won't be happy with the results of the votes! I'll just leave it at that.

That's AWESOME!!!

So OR didn't get the chance to strong-arm them by playing the "now don't you want to start fresh" guilt trip on them !!!!

just speculating, (11/20/2007 5:20:10 AM)

Have any of you noticed the new AP story this morning, regarding the problems at yet another charismatic mega $ ministry, founded by Earl Paulk in Atlanta? There are many similarities between OR's family, this guy and the reasons behind the eventual downfall of their organization. The latest revelation about this Paulk guy is that he fathered a child by his wife's sister, the kid was raised thinking of the minster as "Uncle Earl", and then was eventually placed in the leadership role of that ministry. Now the story is coming to light and causing major problems for them.

Bill, ORU Graduate and Lawyer, Brownwood (11/20/2007 5:18:01 AM)

I would not be opposed to seeing ORU taken over by Regent University.

Anything would be better than the status quo.

jam, tulsa (11/20/2007 5:08:02 AM)

Carl has it right. Oral pulls the strings and will find a way to

re-instate" RR. The Roberts family will find a way to continue the gravy train even though the dynasty is basically bankrupt. The only hope for the university is the senate investigation. Keep in mind that Sen Grassely is in the minority there. Hopefully the corrupt BOR and Roberts family will be exposed for what they are...scammers. Been going on for YEARS. The whole bunch needs to be flushed. Hopefully it can be done with minimal effect on faculty and students.

Bill, ORU Graduate and Lawyer, Brownwood (11/20/2007 4:36:49 AM)

I left out another question. Did someone say there was a gag order in place concerning the professors' lawsuit?

If so, If RR and the "Pro-RR BOR" did hire some 2-bit auditing firm that they can manipulate, publishing the audit report prior to any jury trial would taint the jury pool?????

Sadly, regardless of who does the audit, RR getting into the cookie jar too many times is not the real issue. The real issue is getting a new President and Board that can get ORU out of debt. I have seen it first-hand time and time how these small, private schools will have one president that will get them in trouble, and with a new president, the school will have extra money. Obviously, the current BOR and President have failed and it is time for a change before the $50 Million debt put an end to ORU.

I would like to ask Copeland whether $20 Million and getting ORU on the right track and seeing thousands of students go into the world with the Gospel Mission woudl be a better use of "ministry" money than buying another jet that gets him to his multi-millon vacation homes to some conventions a couple of hours faster????

Pastor Reginald Levi Walker, Tulsa (11/20/2007 7:26:10 AM)

Former False Prophet University Student(ORU)

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You may false prophesize about me, but your chosen name tell the world the truth about you. You are the one not me asking people to believe in a false prophet from False Prohet University(ORU)

Former ORU Student Tulsa , (11/20/2007 7:27:07 AM)

Students - telll us what you are thinking, Post and tell us where you are about staying at oru or leaving. What do you want to see happen.....

A lot of you are going home for thanksgiving , ARe you going to talk with your parents about staying or leaving. How many have decided to leave already...............

Pastor Reginald Levi Walker, Tulsa (11/20/2007 7:30:12 AM)

When a rock is thrown the one that says Ouch is the person the rock was intended to hit.

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The truth hurts doesn't it. Maybe instead of venting your anger at the messenger, you should talk to and ask forgiveness from the one who sent the message by the hated messenger. Or will you take the lead of the people in Jesus parable that killed every messenger the King sent.

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Those so far that has said OUCH, I got hit! Heads up the ROCK of TRUTH (WORD OF GOD) is flying through the air.

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43. 11/20/2007 7:23:58 AM, Former ORU Student Tulsa ,

Larry2, Tulsa (11/20/2007 7:30:42 AM)

43. 11/20/2007 7:23:58 AM, Former ORU Student Tulsa ,

"just ignore reggie posts,"

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I agree wholeheartedly, but wouldn't you think that if no one ever responds positively to his cut and paste, that he would get the idea that he is wasting his time???

Former ORU Student Tulsa , (11/20/2007 7:33:10 AM)

the trolls feed on the response of the people, so yes I agree, they are fed by the responses that go against what they say. I ust ignore them. I see a reggie post and zoom right on by.........

Self Important People, Mt Zion (11/20/2007 7:34:46 AM)

Some people have comments that are totally irrevelant and verbose. I have just had to skip over four that fit this profile, from the same person.