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Teen responds to allegations
 
By APRIL MARCISZEWSKI World Staff Writer
Published: 11/21/2007  1:19 AM
Last Modified: 1/17/2008  11:29 AM

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Lindsay Roberts, wife of Oral Roberts University President Richard Roberts, was like a “second mother” to her daughter’s former boyfriend and did not have a sexual, romantic or inappropriate relationship with him, according to written statements from the former boyfriend and his parents.

A report attached to a lawsuit against ORU, Richard Roberts and others alleges Lindsay Roberts spent a great deal of time with an “underage male,” including spending the night in an ORU guest house with him. Former ORU professors who filed the lawsuit claim that turning over that report, containing a variety of allegations about the Roberts family, to ORU regents earlier this year cost them their jobs.

Matthew Schwoegler, 19, of Bixby, acknowledges in his written statement — “Yes, sir. I guess.” — that he is the male mentioned in the report. His parents, Dean and Teri Schwoegler, also of Bixby, also gave a statement.

The Schwoeglers authorized Frank Hagedorn, attorney for Richard Roberts, to deliver the transcribed interviews to the Tulsa World, Hagedorn said.

Dean and Teri Schwoegler confirmed that they and their son gave the statements.

All three say in the transcribed interviews, dated Oct. 12, that they were talking

willingly and voluntarily.

Matthew Schwoegler, in his statement, said the following:

  • He dated the Robertses’ youngest daughter, Chloe, who is 18, from about 2002 to 2005 or 2006. Lindsay Roberts gave him advice for his relationship with Chloe “because we had some complications like all relationships do,” advice on problems with his parents, like “every teen has . . . sometimes,” and advice to help him in life. “Sometimes, you know, I could say things to her that I couldn’t say to my parents.”
  • “At one point in my life, she was my best friend. She would pray for me. She helped me through any problem I had. . . . I looked up to her and Richard, you know.”
  • Schwoegler said the allegations against the Robertses were not true. “Someone’s obviously mad and trying to get back at their family . . . I actually felt responsible. You know, I was like, well, I’m sorry if me being friends with you and texting you for advice and me calling you and Richard and having you guys pray for me and my cousin when he was sick in the hospital —I’m sorry if my friendship caused all of this . . .”
  • He said that Lindsay Roberts “was in love with her husband” and “nothing has ever happened inappropriate or wrong, ever.”

Dean and Teri Schwoegler, in their statement, said the following:

  • Their son, as a younger teen, was rebellious, was drinking alcohol and had personal problems that, without intervention from the Robertses, could have resulted in serious consequences.
  • “I loved my son, didn’t like the direction he was headed and wanted help, prayed for help and didn’t find help from anyone,” Teri Schwoegler said. “. . . Lindsay was the only person that really cared. . . . She would encourage me. . . . She loved my son. . . . He would listen to her more than he would listen to me. . . . I was probably a little bit too critical and judgmental because I expected him not to be the way he was. . . . She was always helping him realize he had great potential.”
  • Richard Roberts also came to the Schwoeglers’ house and prayed and cared for their son.
  • Lindsay Roberts let Dean and Teri Schwoegler know “exactly what was going on” with their son and, for a time, talked daily with Teri Schwoegler, the couple said.
  • Any sexual or improper activity “did not happen” between Lindsay Roberts and Matthew Schwoegler, Teri and Dean Schwoegler both said.

Both Matthew Schwoegler’s and his parents’ statements say that Richard and Lindsay Roberts helped and encouraged many other teens, including some of Matthew’s friends.

Matthew Schwoegler, in his statement, mentioned a variety of ways he interacted with Lindsay Roberts that backed up or bore similarities to allegations made in the report attached to the lawsuit. He said that when he and Chloe Roberts started dating, he did not have a car, and Lindsay Roberts sometimes would pick him up and drive him back to the family’s house. Sometimes Chloe came along or Richard Roberts gave him a ride instead.

The report alleges Lindsay Roberts was photographed 29 times alone with a boy in her car after midnight.

The report also alleges Lindsay Roberts and “the underage male” were shown alone together on Victory Christian School security tapes 81 times.

“That was probably me,” Matthew Schwoegler said. His statement did not explain those occurrences.

Matthew Schwoegler’s statement does not address the report’s allegations that an underage male repeatedly moved into the Roberts house; that Lindsay Roberts and an underage male smoked at the Roberts house; that Lindsay Roberts and an underage male spent the night in an ORU guest house nine times; that three people, including “Mrs. Roberts’ ‘boyfriend,’ ” were caught intoxicated at Oral Roberts Ministries and Lindsay Roberts got them off the hook with security guards; that “a young, blond male” was photographed with Lindsay Roberts at a Richard Roberts speech in Dallas; and more.

Lindsay Roberts said in a written statement last month that the report’s allegations were false, she lives her life “in a morally upright manner and throughout my marriage have never, ever engaged in any sexual behavior with any man outside of my marriage as the accusations imply.”


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not interested, (11/21/2007 1:47:17 AM)
I guess they are going to say Richard was caught gambling and smoking cubins cigars. ha ha. leave them alone!!
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qqq, (11/21/2007 2:33:59 AM)
"Dating", in 2002, when Chloe was 13??
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Cornell Cross Is Suing ORU, (11/21/2007 2:54:44 AM)
Student Cornell Cross Is Going To Sue ORU.

He wants Richard and Lindsay removed, the former profesors reinstated, and for his loans to be repaid.

He is the guy who spoke out early against RR.

NewsOk Article Excerpt:

"This culture of fear at ORU needs to end. By holding these people accountable for their actions, this is part of that attempt,” Cross said."

There is more about this on the NewsOk site.

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DB, (11/21/2007 4:13:57 AM)
I wonder how much these statements of the Schwoegler cost?
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just speculating, (11/21/2007 5:32:46 AM)
It sounds to me as if these people are spinning like crazy to rationalize inappropriate behavior on the part of LR. So we are to believe that the exhalted leaders of Christian example-setting, were letting Chloe date an alcohol-using boyfriend at the age of 13? And that Chloe was only "sometimes" even in the car when LR went to pick him up for his "dates" with Chloe? And that this child who had emotional issues, alcohol use and other unspecified problems was best served through "counseling" during late night smoking sessions alone in a car (or guest house) with LR? We may never know whether or not there was a sexual component to LR's interactions with this child, but she clearly contributed to an inappropriate emotional relationship if the kid is describing this middle-aged wife of a university president as his "best friend". A child in need of help with emotional or substance abuse issues would be best served by getting him to a professionally trained and licensed counselor. Even giving the R's the benefit of every doubt, they've demonstated incredibly poor judgement in their handling of this situation involving a child in need of help.
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Former ORU Student Tulsa , (11/21/2007 5:57:18 AM)
doesn't this open the door for legal issues, help me out here,
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Former ORU Student Tulsa , (11/21/2007 5:58:43 AM)
tw, can you post these on the web site, all the emaisl as they exist, since you have them and are now part of the equation
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Former ORU Student Tulsa , (11/21/2007 6:02:38 AM)
tw, can you post these on the web site, all the emaisl as they exist, since you have them and are now part of the equation.

this now brings all of this into the lawsuit as supporting the allegatgions and opens the door for lots of depositions, even the roberts daughter cloe........... ouuu not good..........

The story is unfolding before our eyes.

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Former ORU Student Tulsa , (11/21/2007 6:07:34 AM)
also newe story regarding richardson
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David, Tulsa (11/21/2007 6:22:30 AM)
All the releases in the world wont mean much until the plaintiff gets to depose the young man. I doubt they will let it get that far. First of a weekend blitz from RR.
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Carl Robbins, (11/21/2007 6:26:08 AM)
qqq.

Chloe was only 13 and "dating" this guy in 2002?

Something smells.

Sounds like its more effort to clean up issues in the media instead of the court where they can be tested..

Most such efforts have back-fired on them.

This probably will, as well.

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D, Tulsa (11/21/2007 7:00:24 AM)
Amazing. He was staying all night and regularly brought home that late when he was 14. Dating their daughter who was 13. I may not be the greatest parent in the world but that is beyond my comprehension. If LR was smoking with him, etc. etc. Maybe just a mistake but wow what a huge blunder!!!! Again, feel sorry for the daughter, obviously. Wonder if LR had to do some hands on healing for the young man.
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Carl R., San Jose (11/21/2007 7:13:44 AM)
So, let's see what themedia image clean-up program is going??

First we hear how vital ORU is to the local economy. Fair enough. Good story.

-- Any institution or enterprise there would be the same economic booster -- mavbemuch more.

--- So no points scored there.

They RR tells us the false financial inf. he released was the faultg of the finance office -- but personnel changes were made.

--Yes, they promoted one of they guys (Ellsworth)who was, presumably, behind those funny numbers.

Sounds more to me like a bit of scape-goating.

Several posts followed, for the first time calling for the heads (resignations) of finance officers.

Wonder what made readers get so upset with the finance guys, who have largely remained in the background?

Finger-pointing by Richard.

Watch your backs, finance dept.

-- Score a net loss.

Now we have the effort to clean up the LR story. But it backfires, too. Giving LR the benefit of the doubt at this stage, it was still very poor judgment, as POST 5 makes clear.

--so no points scored there.

Then comes along the story of a new law suit being filed today.

-- big net loss

Sos goes the media campaign.

But it's not over, as David said, in Post 10.

They want to tell their story in the media, not in a deposition where questions can be asked.

If I were Richard I wouldn't try so hard.

Sit back, relax,

Daddy's going to get you your job back.

-- that's how it looks to me.

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~sojourner, Adair (11/21/2007 7:21:32 AM)
This is the same kid the oldest daughter was so afraid of she had maintanance install a deadbolt on her bedroom door cuz Lindsay kept moving him in??

I don't think so.... something's not adding up... isn't this the kid chloe used the mabee center marquee to apologize to... ??? I think there may be another boy, they are conveniently overlooking, and throwing chloe's ex out as a diversion.. Something is not adding up here... sigh... jmo

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Carl R, San Jose (11/21/2007 7:31:14 AM)
14 Sojourner

The record would support your deflection, diversion view.

Look at how Richard tried to deflect blame for issuing false figures to the finance dept.

-- and making a lot of people angry with them for misleading the leader.

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OHMYGOSH, (11/21/2007 7:34:28 AM)
Why on earth would these people come out in support of the Roberts? Is this teenager one on a full-ride scholarship at ORU?

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OR, LR and RR have no boundaries whatsoever! How sick and pathetic.

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Wheels, Tulsa (11/21/2007 7:49:16 AM)
Okay, young teens 'worried' about relationship issues? Oh paleez.....
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s.c., tulsa (11/21/2007 7:57:24 AM)
in response to #3

Cornell is a thirty year old senior who likes going out with teenage girls.I don't understand how students and professors that are so uphappy at being at o.r.u. still remain at o.r.u., so far I haven't heard or seen any real wrongdoing by president roberts. People just need to pray for the family .

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Early ORU Alum, Tulsa (11/21/2007 8:08:37 AM)
You allowed your daughter, Chloe, to date when she was 13.............and to an emotionally troubled punk kid who smoke and drank?? DESPICABLE!! You should be awarded Wayward Parents of the Year.
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ORU observer, (11/21/2007 8:13:57 AM)
Now go to oscndotnet and look up the name.
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Carl R., San Jose (11/21/2007 8:17:24 AM)
SC Tulsa

S.C., I'd stay away from "teen-age dating" issues.

That's kind of a sensitive issue with LR about now.

The tenured faculty have voted no confidence in RR.

Some 80% of the faculty do not want him back.

Where have you been?

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b, tulsa (11/21/2007 8:24:07 AM)
No matter what its economic benefits are to Tulsa, ORU and the Roberts family make our community a national laughing stock...is it really worth it?
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Carl R., (11/21/2007 8:26:33 AM)

S.C. Post 18

So, you're upset about questionable adult-teenager dating?

Maybe you should tell LR.

She seems to know something about that.

Isn't it better to stay away from that subject?

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prof, (11/21/2007 8:36:48 AM)
Seems to be just a simple case of "preying" and laying on of hands.

A Roberts family tradition....

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'...I hate to cook', (11/21/2007 8:49:37 AM)
The Roberts need to stop making statements, they look worse and worse everytime they open their mouths. If I were them, I'd just plead the fifth amendment and leave everything else to speculation. Speculation looks moral in comparison to what comes out of their mouths. Pleeeze already.
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