R.D. , Tulsa (11/22/2007 4:22:59 AM)

These freeloading republicans in this country need to be put in jail for taking all this tax free money from churches. No wonder they have so much money for their elections.

jam, tulsa (11/22/2007 5:13:00 AM)

R.D., seek help now...you need intervention.

~sojourner, Adair (11/22/2007 5:48:24 AM)

Sighhhhhh.... man-o-man-o.... everytime I think it can not possibly get any worse... BAM!

This is very, very sad. So much about this family we had no idea about. Good job TW! Keep the stories coming! Many of us are looking for the truth in all of this. You all at TW are really a blessing as far as getting to the truth in all of this mess. Thank you April and Ziva, for your tireless efforts!! And have a Happy Thanksgiving! God Bless Us All!

R.D., Tulsa (11/22/2007 6:18:06 AM)

Sorry jam, I am not crazy about faith based groups taking my tax money either! Our troops don't have enough equipment in the field because the freeloading churches don't pay taxes but they want to tell everyone else how to live. Religious groups need to stay out of politics or be taxed! Quit freeloading! Your so called christian president needs to be put on trial for treason also! Leaking a CIA agent's name is illegal.

Jay, (11/22/2007 6:26:14 AM)

RD....well said, I agree completely with you.

Graychin, Eucha (11/22/2007 7:25:36 AM)

Let's see... ORU and/or OREA were paying Stephanie Cantees to come up with this useful advice. Richard Roberts' explanation of why this doesn't constitute involvement of his not-for-profit organizations is that he didn't act on any of it. But then why were they paying for it? Because Cantees is Lindsay Roberts' sister and she needed some income?

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Either way, the IRS is going to yank their tax-exempt status. They're toast.

GRATEFUL, (11/22/2007 7:30:27 AM)

Dear Ziva - please stay with this story with vigilance. At this point, it matters not whether or not one side or the other wins a lawsuit, or whether or not the IRS is able to nab them. Most important is that all of these revelations combined, must be in some fashion, shaking up the lives of these arrogant, pompous people that serve themselves in the name of Christianity. They have erred so far from the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and shame themselves. No matter the outcome of all this, it is already plain to see bad fruit. ""You eat the fat and clothe yourselves with the wool; you slaughter the fatlings, but you do not feed the flock. The weak you have not strengthened, nor have you healed those who were sick, nor bound up the broken, nor brought back what was driven away, nor sought what was lost;" If Oral is ever honest with himself before God, he will see that he taught Richard well. Long before Richard was a grown man, Oral was dipping in the till for his own pleasure. Thanks for your articles.

ancil2004, tulsa (11/22/2007 7:42:05 AM)

I am not sure what is so wrong. The government made the rules and he was trying play inside those rules. Looks like he was simply trying to advance his ideals and university..liberals do it all the time..I think this is simply a man advancing his university's agenda..not in itself a bad thing. The IRS should not tax churches or faith based universities.

One, Tulsa (11/22/2007 8:01:25 AM)

R.D. I agree with you...even though I voted for the jerk not once, but twice. I get so angry when I see our young boys in uniform fighting for what? I am so sick of all these "so called" christians and this "holy" war they love. They are as bad as the ones we are fighting. No more tax free churches if they have funded elections!!!! Get the records and if the church has donated "God's" money to anyone running for election then their tax exemption status should be repealed.

tom, (11/22/2007 8:33:07 AM)

If these mega-tv evangelists were investigated in-depth, I think that one would find unbelieveable discrepancies in their ministries.

If you don't think that there is not a lot of "house-keeping" going on, right now, in the ministries that Senator Grassley has queried, you are mistaken.

Folks, religious colleges and universities, must be considered ministries, also.

D, Tulsa (11/22/2007 8:46:39 AM)

Ancil The bad part is that this confirms a major allegation in the lawsuit that RR denied. Whether he played by the rules is only a question that the IRS can determine. If it goes against him, ORU pays a huge debt, loses Nonprofit status and who knows what else. The BOR must have a game plan to pull the U out of debt, the President cant do it.

LB, Tulsa (11/22/2007 9:17:40 AM)

There is nothing wrong with a religious organization trying to influence politics. Democrats use the pulpit of the black church all of the time without fear of criticism. If you hold the trump card, that is the race card, people can do anything they want without fear of rebuttal, but if white Republicans try to mobilize voters through a religious organization, it is criminal. Make up your mind, folks. The prejudice againstis nausiating.

By the way, as a former student at ORU (1970's), I can tell you that the abuse of university and associational finances has been observed and discussed among faculty and students for decades.

One, Tulsa (11/22/2007 10:19:52 AM)

So #12 that goes to show that Patti Roberts was right and not one faculty member stood with her...that failure to help her made this go on for decades longer....good going!!! Corrupt all the way to the bottom....fear is not the answer!

Shumate, (11/22/2007 10:36:54 AM)

Back in the day...a "dog and pony show," as referenced in the October 23, 2006 email, was used as a description of a live pornographic event involving women and, well, dogs and ponies. I have difficulty understanding why fine Christian people would reference such acts.

DTaylor, (11/22/2007 10:49:46 AM)

Webster's Dictionary Definition:

Main Entry: dog and pony show

Function: noun

Date: 1970

: an often elaborate public relations or sales presentation; also : an elaborate or overblown affair or event

Charles Estes Fowler, Jr., Colorado Springs, Colorado (11/22/2007 11:01:20 AM)

If we are going to have Christians in politics, we need them to have genuine honesty, integrity and to truly live on principle.

This kind of political involvement "in order to gain influence in the system" is what leads to corruption in government

EXAMPLE OF CORRUPTION:

When any individual has enough influence in city government that the Police take a false report on what is NOT CRIMINAL, but a civil matter...then we have an example of corruption because of illegitimate influence.

Case in point: Stephanie Cantees and the Tulsa Police Department.

No other law enforcement agency in the United States of America would have taken a trespassing complaint against individuals who were representing the owner of the home in securing of her personal items.

SEE YESTERDAYS POST #123 ORU weekly emails checked, Post from Kelly

SEE KELLY'S POST BELOW:

123. 11/21/2007 1:15:59 PM, kelly,

Stephanie’s daughter is moving out of State, so I think your information is wrong. And yes, it is so sad what has been done to Vicki by her assistant Judy Upjohn. She stole Vicki’s money, has her living like an animal, and Judy is now in trouble with the Tulsa Police for breaking into Vicki’s old house (with a bunch of ORU people) and trying to take pictures and run someone over!

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MY COMMENT ON KELLY'S POST

Of course, this is the kind of information that gets promoted when law abiding citizens are under gag orders and matters are all handled in closed secret court hearings.

See Oklahoma Supreme Court

PR-104826

Cantees vs Pace

Writ of Prohibition

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA

Stephanie Cantees, Trustee of the Carl R. and Vicki R. Jamison Peterson Revocable Living Trust, dated August 2, 1996,

Petitioner,

vs.

Hon. Kirsten Pace, Special District Judge, Tulsa County, State of Oklahoma,

Respondent.

?, ? (11/22/2007 11:21:11 AM)

judy upjohn has done nothing wrong!!!! in fact, she has been a huge support and friend to vicki...

it's people like stephanie cantees, don king, and carl peterson who will answer to God for misrepresenting and abusing one of his servants....

Mel, (11/22/2007 11:59:28 AM)

I attend a Bible Based church and our pastor mentioned all this mess about the excesses of Televangelists and particularly their wives. He offered a very simple solution. If you don't like what they are doing quit sending them money and move on with your relationship with God.

Susan, Tulsa (11/22/2007 12:10:31 PM)

Wow! I wonder how much this will hurt Inhofe, being mixed up in this affair! If he is involved, we need to find out how deeply!

Jeff, (11/22/2007 12:23:52 PM)

# 16.. "If we are going to have Christians in politics, we need them to have genuine honesty, integrity and to truly live on principle." Politics and honesty?? Are you kidding me? Live on principals? Politicians live by whoever is funding them, they have no principals. You are very brainwashed just like all other people who feed money to these mega churches, etc. One can have a relationship with God without giving money to anyone.

Metaphor Day, (11/22/2007 12:28:04 PM)

while political powers were firmly in control, the cannonade has been relentless, both day and night. the bullworks are failing and the troops are flooding in. career soldiers and inlisted me are turning on their leaders. the colonel's position has failed to rally the men. the general has been brought in to restore peace with the politicians, it has not been successful. the winds of war have turned. all that is left in this epic tale is for troops to retreat, leave their batterys behind them and to get to a safe dwelling, stack arms and surrender. a nobel cause it was, but one that history will say broke from the inside, just as the general predicted so many years ago.

(moms and dads, it's all you could do.)

XN, Tulsa (11/22/2007 1:29:46 PM)

Mel, with respect to your pastor's suggestion for dealing with the televangelist problem (i.e., "If you don't like what they are doing quit sending them money and move on with your relationship with God.") . . . I am not sure I agree. Jesus didn't IGNORE hypocrisy, selfishness and dishonesty - he confronted it! EVIL FLOURISHES WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING!

kentucky girl, ? (11/22/2007 1:56:51 PM)

This is so wrong what Stephanie is doing to Vicki Jamison Peterson. How in the world did she get control of Vicki's house and then move her daughter's family in. Vicki bought and paid for that house and Trisha didn't pay for anything.

Is this how the Roberts do things, take others things for their own?

Pastor Reginald Levi Walker, Tulsa (11/22/2007 2:36:44 PM)

My dearly beloved fellow children of God and the readers of this message board:

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I am not one of your false prophets that will tell you only you want to hear. I will tell you the truth. Whether you listen or not, that is your choice.

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In this time of our dire spiritual crisis, I am here to deliver a message each of us needs to hear. The message is simply judge yea not and you will not be judge. By the same measure you judge, by that same measure will you be judged.

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Therefore, you judge others to be lying, to be crooks, and to be dishonest all these many years. Now you have determined the teachings of the spiritual leader that each of you held to for so long to be false. Nevertheless, you unwisely do not realized the statement that you are making about yourselves, spiritually as well. Since everything, you believe was taught to you by a so-called false prophet, then that makes everything you believed false and that makes each of you followers of a false prophet.

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Now instead of getting mad and letting Lucifer, continue to drag you down into sin, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent for not reading the word for yourself. Repent for chasing after the wisdom of man and not asking for the wisdom from God. This rather reminds me of the guy who tried to pay one of the Apostles for the power of the Holy Spirit. These people just ran the very same con on each of you.

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I encourage you to re-evaluate your spiritual mistake of haphazardly following someone who, as you say, is a false prophet. We will all answer one day for what we do and whom we believe.

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Pastor Reginald Levi Walker, Tulsa (11/22/2007 2:38:06 PM)

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For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness.

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Because that which may be known of God is manifest (Or, to them) in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; (Or, that they may be) so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

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And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

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Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

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For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one towards another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like (Or, to acknowledge) to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to (Or, a mind void of judgment) a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant-breakers, (Or, unsociable) without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

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Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but (Or, consent with them) have pleasure in them that do them.

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