qqq, (11/22/2007 1:12:56 AM)

TW, why don't you interview some of the kids who worked on the campaign? Are any of them still at ORU?

Frost, Cleveland, OH (11/22/2007 2:41:29 AM)

so Busted!

Frost, Cleveland, OH (11/22/2007 2:44:54 AM)

wake up christians! be decieved no more!

The Oracle, Tulsa (11/22/2007 4:03:30 AM)

Oral has been trying for years to convince little richard to keep his mouth shut.little richard is so arrogant that he thinks that he has revelations.

R.D. , Tulsa (11/22/2007 4:17:06 AM)

No wonder all the republicans around the country get all the money in their political campaigns. They are all collection plate politicians. These freeloaders are taking tax free money collected at the churches. They should be put in jail instead of put in office. Religious groups need to stay out of politics or be taxed like everyone else is in this country.

I can't believe I read the whole thing, (11/22/2007 4:28:01 AM)

Wow.... I have never been this close to the top of a thread before. The early bird does get the worm! Trouble is, the worm is RR and that sort of leaves a taste in the mouth. Hmmmm, who would have ever guessed that Stef is saying she really didn't write the emails? Gotta love this bunch. They are providing more entertainment than Turkey day football.

jam, tulsa (11/22/2007 5:06:23 AM)

Clark Brewster...isn't he the lawyer for the "good-ole-boy", incompetent, Democrat, Gene Stipe? It just goes on and on. Who needs reality TV when we have entertainment at its best right here in Tulsa?

Debra, Ok (11/22/2007 5:31:07 AM)

To: #6: i can't believe I read the whole thing: HAHAHA...this better than prime time....wouldn't miss it for anything....----------

Spit out that worm....nasty....

Gail, Tulsa, Ok (MEXICO) (11/22/2007 5:35:34 AM)

Hey....Stef sounds better than SC....yes Stef....YOU craved attention.....now you got it.....SAD....INFAMOUS is not the way to be remembered............but oh well...watch out you wish for....you often get it....BOOLUAH!

~sojourner, Adair (11/22/2007 6:06:17 AM)

So the Robertses are a political family now??? What happened to seperation of chuch and state?? And is it just me, or does anybody else notice how involved LR's sister "stef" is??? Who is this woman, and why does she seem to have so much sway over RR??? TW, we want to know more about this "stef" woman!! Sounds like the Jezebel spirit they've all been preaching for the last 5 years is right under their noses!! jmo

< in my best ricky ricardo impression..>

Richard! Lindsay! You've got some 'splainin' to do!!!

George, (11/22/2007 7:03:25 AM)

sojourner separation of church and state is a principle designed to protect the church, not the state.

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ORU is not a church, its a college. We have to provision for separation of college and state.

Graychin, Eucha (11/22/2007 7:15:57 AM)

George, separation of church and state is designed to protect both church and state from each other. If you like religion running the state, Iran is a good example of how that works out.

Denial is not a river , Mt Zion (11/22/2007 7:25:29 AM)

Denial is not a river in Africa but it is a tactic used in politics when you get caught ( add a little indignation and surprise and BAM!!!) Move on nothing sticks.

Charles Fowler, ORU alumnus (11/22/2007 7:47:52 AM)

If we are going to have Christians in politics, we need them to have genuine honesty, integrity and to truly live on principle. We already have more than enough self seeking arrogant liars involved in our nations politics.

This kind of political involvement in order to gain influence in the system is what leads to corruption in government.

Observer, Tulsa (11/22/2007 8:15:40 AM)

Let's get Stephanie Cantees off theTulsa Metropolitan Area Planning Commision and any other government-funded agency. I don't want my tax money being spent by her!!!!!!!!! We need people who are genuinely concerned with the future of Tulsa, not the future of ORU.

Charles Fowler, ORU alumnus (11/22/2007 8:27:11 AM)

EXAMPLE OF CORRUPTION:

When any individual has enough influence in city government that the Police take a false report on what is NOT CRIMINAL, but a civil matter...then we have an example of corruption because of illegitimate influence.

Case in point: Stephanie Cantees and the Tulsa Police Department.

No other law enforcement agency in the United States of America would have taken a trespassing complaint against individuals who were representing the owner of the home in securing of her personal items.

SEE YESTERDAYS POST #123 ORU weekly emails checked, Post from Kelly

SEE KELLY'S POST BELOW:

123. 11/21/2007 1:15:59 PM, kelly,

Stephanie’s daughter is moving out of State, so I think your information is wrong. And yes, it is so sad what has been done to Vicki by her assistant Judy Upjohn. She stole Vicki’s money, has her living like an animal, and Judy is now in trouble with the Tulsa Police for breaking into Vicki’s old house (with a bunch of ORU people) and trying to take pictures and run someone over!

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Of course, this is the kind of information that gets promoted when law abiding citizens are under gag orders and matters are all handled in closed secret court hearings.

Is Tulsa in the United States of America?

Charles Fowler, ORU alumnus (11/22/2007 8:46:21 AM)

See Oklahoma Supreme Court

PR-104826

Cantees vs Pace

Writ of Prohibition

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA

Stephanie Cantees, Trustee of the Carl R. and Vicki R. Jamison Peterson Revocable Living Trust, dated August 2, 1996,

Petitioner,

vs.

Hon. Kirsten Pace, Special District Judge, Tulsa County, State of Oklahoma,

Respondent.

Former ORU Student Tulsa , (11/22/2007 9:39:26 AM)

The trail leads to political corruption.....

DTaylor, (11/22/2007 9:48:24 AM)

this whole situation has been hitting in crashing waves, some larger, some smaller, but all reminding us that it is far from over. the waves are weakening the walls, the hurricane has yet to hit full force. if we are not prepared for the brunt of it, i would think the time to get out would be now. quit while we are behind. cut your loses, head for high country, dont look back, god will meet you there.

Luke , Tulsa (11/22/2007 10:38:09 AM)

I am a republican and I can honestly say that even without the ORU debacle, Randi Miller has been a total bust as a County Commissioner. I was already sorry i voted for her and did not to intend to vote for her next time. This is more affirmation of her bad judgement(Bells, the river tax...). Do Tulsa County and the city of Tulsa a favor and don't run again, Randi. We can't afford you any more.

?, ? (11/22/2007 11:07:18 AM)

vicki jaimson peterson is in trouble and needs the support/backing of others to get stephanie cantees out of the picture!!!

judy upjohn is a wonderful lady/friend to vjp and is being mistreated by stef

help!!!

Juan Gomez, Springdale (11/22/2007 11:11:26 AM)

All Tim Brooker had to do was; JUST SAY NO!

Tim Brooker, the know it all budget/financial/political smarty pants that got thrown out of Federal Bankruptcy Court in Arkansas; knows all about running a political campaign and the laws that guide a campaign, (according to Tim Brooker himself) should have said; I can't do that. If you force me to do that, I am out of here. Did Tim Brooker do that? NO! Why did he not do that? Because he has a history of associating with known criminals and he thought he could get away with it. And at best, make a few dollars with some interesting blackmail. Guess what? Just like his Bankruptcy got thrown out of court, his Blackmail scam got exposed.

By no means am I saying ORU does not deserve what they are getting, but, this is what happens when you bring a snke into your house.

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, Oklahoma (11/22/2007 11:19:24 AM)

It was Richard Roberts' and Billy Joe Daugherty's friendship with LaFortune when he was mayor that got the city to install signal lights at the entrances to ORU and Victory Christian Center. LaFortune bypassed the regular channels to have those traffic signal lights put up and he just authorized them himself. ORU and VCC should have been the ones who paid for the lights which the city would have installed for them.

Churches should not expect the city to grant them special favors.

qqq, (11/22/2007 11:24:01 AM)

There is no question that much of what is going on here is very sad. I could list a dozen ways easily. The Roberts family will never recover. How deeply they will be hurt only time will tell. No one wants their dirty laundry washed in public, and this, unfortunately, is a family with a lot.

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The real question is whether it is necessary to take ORU down in the process.

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Oral was/is a builder. His ambitions exceeded his abilities. But, isn't ORU better than His & Her jet planes. CityPlex too. Not what was intended, but no Rolls Royces.

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I hope some of what Oral built outlives him. The irony is that their success requires that he lets go. If he had let go back in 1993 it would have been much easier. Richard hasn't built, he has consumed. He hasn't been a big financial abuser, but a petty one. That is why we see Chico's bills instead of Tiffany or Paris designers. Million dollar houses, not $20 million dollar ones. $500 hotel rooms, not $10,000 ones. There are many very rich in this country, and there are places that serve them. These folks are not in that bracket.

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Worse, Richard isn't loved, not even particularly respected. When that happens only fear is left, and the collection of hanger's on who share some of the droppings from the king's table. Oral is too smart not to see what is happening here. What a bitter blow for him.

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I don't know what Oral would actually have done if he had won over the faculty. Unfortunately, he is very secretive and whatever he did would have been done in secret. I find it very hard to believe he would just have put RR back in place and retired back to CA. I think he would have moved to Tulsa and led from behind the scenes for as long as he is able. But then what?

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If you read Jerry Sholes book he talks of how worried folks in the organization were about succession. This is back in the late 1970's. There is actually not a huge amount about Richard in the book. What there is isn't complimentary. I don't think anyone really imagined Oral would trust Richard. That is probably one of the reasons why Oral hung on until he was 75.

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At this point, the Richard Roberts family are damaged goods. They will never be able to lead a University effectively. I even have doubts whether the Ministry will survive. Oral used to be number 1. Now, they are certainly smaller than any of the 6 ministries under investigation by Grassley.

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I very much hope Oral opts for a physical legacy at ORU rather than continuing his attempt at a Dynasty. That hasn't worked very well to this point and looks like it would work considerably worse in the future.

?, ? (11/22/2007 11:24:20 AM)

why is stephanie's daughter tricia and her family moving into vicki jamison's house???

too hot in the compound so you kick vjp out of her house?