Patty, Grove (11/28/2007 1:39:12 AM)

Can the Bishop give the legal citizens of this state the same treatment as illegals receive? Things such as free medical care, welfare, free college, etc.? I can't get medical care, which I desperately need. I can't get eyeglasses, which I desperately need. I can't get dental care which I desperately need. I am a natural-born American citizen.

The J-Man, Hopeful, Somewhere East of Tulsa, (11/28/2007 2:09:55 AM)

Folks, I am a Christian, but this bishop is just plain wrong here. If you are here illegally, you have NO legal rights WHATSOEVER. Oh, you can love them all you want, and that's fine. But don't give them additional help -- as Patty so aptly put it above -- that we who are here legally can't get.

You can call this law immoral, unjust, unfair or whatever you want. I think the state has done a great thing and hopefully other states -- and, God willing, the federal government, if they can get off their duffs and do ANYTHING nowadays -- will follow suit.

SPQR_US, (11/28/2007 2:54:58 AM)

I'm not against any legal immigrant but I am 100% against these thieving criminal illegals.

The reason his higness the bishop is so worked up here is because his church is going to lose cash and influence. He can say what he wants but he wants to turn the US into Mexico and he wants the money.

He can move to Mexico with his criminal friends. If he's worried about bus fare for these illegal parents he shouldn't their bus fare will be born by the US taxpayer sending them back from a prison cell to the border...

rose, Tulsa (11/28/2007 4:55:28 AM)

To the bishop and the catholic church:

If you and the church are so concerned about the financial state of people here illegally, I would think the church could provide tickets to Mexico and/or groceries. Don't churches use contributions to help those in need? The church could recycle some of the contributions to sponsor people.

No doubt the huge number of illegal people who are mostly catholic has been a source of income for the catholic church.

The invasion of illegals combined with unethical employers has driven opportunity and wages down for legal citizens and cost us a great deal in too many other areas to list.

Has he heard of separation of church and state or is that something Oklahoma made up too?

If the church want to do anything, it should put it's money where it's mouth is and do church work, nothing more.

The Oracle, Tulsa (11/28/2007 5:28:33 AM)

The "reverends",the "bishops",and those who wear their collar backwards should have their tax-exempt status taken away and should be forced to pay taxes like the rest of us.What is their mission?It it to encourage criminal activity and meddle in political affairs,which is in itself illegal for a tax-exempt scam to engage in.When they say "it ain't the money"....ITS THE MONEY.....

Ron B, Broken Arrow (11/28/2007 6:04:25 AM)

Sure, the Catholic church wants the latino immigrants here because they are almost 100% Catholic. These people make nothing in Mexico compared to what they make here, so the church gets more donations from them if they live in the U.S. These funds will, along with other things, help pay off the law suits from victims of being molested by priests. Oracle is right..."Follow the money".

Ray Smith, Tulsa (12/5/2007 9:24:05 PM)

B. slattery is doing nothing more that the other heads of the catholic church haven't already been doing for centuries now - posing as moral authorities while breaking the law right and left and amassing large amounts of wealth unto themselves. From the days of the late Roman Empire they burned and put to the sword any Christians who had ideas or convictions that differed with what the pope was dictating. Their victims number around 60 million. They sold indulgences (license to sin) and preferred places in heaven. They had the order of jesuits, the mafia of the church who enforced church law with murderer, and other black ops. And for who knows how long they have had their surrepticious alter-boy molestation rings going. Now they want to openly flaunt our immigration laws to suit their recruitment and money collecting purposes. This almost leaves one speechless. With a church like this, who needs the anti-Christ?

thomas, powder springs (4/15/2008 9:05:03 AM)

What money does the church get? Here they are costing our diosese more than they will ever pay. We have had to give priests special , expensive courses in Spanish. We lose long time members who do not (uncharitably) want to hear a Mass in Spanish, the illegals are constantly knocking on our doors for money thus depleting funds for persons like above. The church has condemned employers who take advantage of them so should everyone else. So its a mixed bag and I don't think things are helped by folks condemning the Bishop out of hand, the church does not pass laws. Let the politicians who receive big time contributions from the Tyson's of the business world take the heat.

Chris Vreeland, Kalamazoo, (11/30/2007 6:39:16 PM)

1. 11/28/2007 1:39:12 AM, Patty, Grove

Can the Bishop give the legal citizens of this state the same treatment as illegals receive? Things such as free medical care, welfare, free college, etc.? I can't get medical care, which I desperately need. I can't get eyeglasses, which I desperately need. I can't get dental care which I desperately need. I am a natural-born American citizen.

2. 11/28/2007 2:09:55 AM, The J-Man, Hopeful, Somewhere East of Tulsa,

Folks, I am a Christian, but this bishop is just plain wrong here. If you are here illegally, you have NO legal rights WHATSOEVER. Oh, you can love them all you want, and that's fine. But don't give them additional help -- as Patty so aptly put it above -- that we who are here legally can't get.

You can call this law immoral, unjust, unfair or whatever you want. I think the state has done a great thing and hopefully other states -- and, God willing, the federal government, if they can get off their duffs and do ANYTHING nowadays -- will follow suit.

3. 11/28/2007 2:54:58 AM, SPQR_US,

I'm not against any legal immigrant but I am 100% against these thieving criminal illegals.

The reason his higness the bishop is so worked up here is because his church is going to lose cash and influence. He can say what he wants but he wants to turn the US into Mexico and he wants the money.

He can move to Mexico with his criminal friends. If he's worried about bus fare for these illegal parents he shouldn't their bus fare will be born by the US taxpayer sending them back from a prison cell to the border...

For any of you who now need a laugh after reading the above garbage, please feel free to visit AskAMexican at cweeklydotcom

The Mexican would likely describe the authors of the above garbage as gabachos sin razon. :->

Cheers.

Chris

Chris Vreeland, Kalamazoo, Michigan (11/30/2007 6:43:15 PM)

" 206. 11/29/2007 3:45:10 AM, OW,

All illegal alien females need to undergo forced sterilization.

Those that refuse must be deported.

All illegal alien men must be castrated or deported.

Don't let them breed here like rabbits. They are literally swamping states like California, Arizona and Texas by the millions.

The marriages of illegal immigrants should not be recognized. Family ties need to be removed from the equation. We need to choose immigrants based on merit, education and skills."

Wow, so when did Adolf Hitler arise from the dead and start posting?

I believe there is a message specifically for the state of Oklahoma from Gustavo Arrellano on the website where his column is published. I second the message.

Kathryn, Burbank, CA (12/1/2007 1:15:38 PM)

This is why I've stopped donating money to the Church or any organization that could benefit illegal aliens. I'm a good Catholic, but I don't believe the bible teaches Americas to import poor people from 3rd world countries to do work Americans are too lazy to do. Breaking up families and paying brown people dirt cheap wages for back breaking work is unAmerican and unChristian. That is the issue. The Catholic Church should be doing more in Mexico where they have more influence, not interfering with US sovereignty. If Americans Catholics want the Church to get the message, stop tithing money. If the church coffers empty they might listen to the members and stop bending over backwards to court new immigrants.

American Citizen, (12/2/2007 1:47:41 AM)

What a joke that a catholic bishop, of all people, would have the gall to speak about "morality" when he represents a so-called "church" which is little more than a "front" for organized and institutionalized homosexual pedophilia as the many lawsuits in the USA in the past few years have proven.

Let's deport this slatternly bishop!

Mauricehole, (12/2/2007 2:18:26 AM)

"Proud Mexican" certainly can't be proud of his use of the English language, nor of his stated opinions. He is one of the people this nation needs to immediately deport. And, by the way, Mexico has no reason for pride about anything. It is a cesspool of a country.

FOCUS, (12/3/2007 10:32:04 AM)

we are ridiculous.

jo, (11/29/2007 8:24:04 PM)

Well,

I hope everyone is ready for 13 more states to spring into action. Not sure of all 13 but a few were Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Arkansas, Colorado, and Idaho. Texas is trying something, but that's El Presidente's home state so I don't expect much done there. Arizona is doing something, but McCain is there. Anyway, this is much bigger than just Oklahoma.

Evelyn Patrick, Wichita Ks. (11/29/2007 8:43:49 PM)

No wonder Oklahoma is considered one of the most "depressed states", with all the fear mongers, haters, liars, and racists, oh and lets not forget the inbred

low IQers too.....

Amused, t-town (11/29/2007 9:29:35 PM)

Dear Evelyn the smart one,

You might want to spend more time writing your representative as Kansas is working on very similar legislation. If that happens, then you too will be depressed as Kansas will prove that it is full of the same fear mongering, hating, lying, racist, inbred, low IQers that you accuse OK of having.

Tell your cousin uncle dad to up your medication so you can prepare for the "depression". It would be a shame if you took it out on yourself.

Sincerely,

Amused

Dorothy Green, (11/30/2007 3:13:10 PM)

Mike, thanks for reminding us of our duty to help the needy. I'd like to share your comment again.

Bye

Michael D. wrote

It just amazes me how easily we forget these words from scripture (Matthew 25:14-33, 41-46):

When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne, and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. […]

Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.' Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?' He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.' And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Please note that there is no question about their “legal” or “illegal” status, just the help to those in need (or lack of it) that makes it relevant.

No much explaining needed here!

Rich, Boston (11/30/2007 4:02:04 PM)

OMG. All of you hateful people make me sick. If this blog is representative of the political opinions and mental and moral level of OK, remind me never to visit your state. You are an offence to the all of those who fought for the concept of universal human rights and dignity in WWII.

Undocumented immigrants are economic refugees, fleeing an untenable economic situation in their homeland, just as political refugees are fleeing violence and persecution. We are obligated, as fellow human beings, to treat undocumented immigrants and their horrifying situation with respect and compassion.

A law that punishes a human from giving food and help to a single mother of an infant when she is homeless and hungry is immoral. If you want to live in a land that values one infant’s life over another, please move to 1940s Germany.

Rich, Boston (11/30/2007 4:04:28 PM)

Bishop Slattery, thank you for bravely defying this heinous law. I pray that many more will stand with you.

SraChavez, Tulsa (11/29/2007 4:25:28 PM)

Sara: Please note that I listed the website these were quoted from for YOUR reference. I do not claim them as mine. I guess you did not take the time to read that far. And for the record, I am neither poor, foolish, or dumb. I also have very specific points as to why I do not agree with this law and the same '14 reasons' that keep being posted here. However, closed minded people do not wish to hear another side to the story. They do not wish to believe that their stats are fraudulent and inaccurate. EVEN when reputable websites are listed proving this. There are people out there that have filed for visas. They are here undocumented with the federal government's approval. This state law overrides what the federal government has dictated. This law will be fought. And, I'm just sick to death of the comparisons to major crimes. That's like comparing apples to oranges. And, don't toss the crime rate and drug stories at me. Just because I support a gentler immigration reform does NOT mean I support the actions of the real criminals. We can come up with an immigration bill that supports both sides. It does not have to be done with this strong armed prejudiced fueled bill. These are people. Have you forgotten that?

SraChavez, Tulsa (11/29/2007 4:43:17 PM)

mdc: Sorry, I missed your comment. I was not posting that for statistic reasons. I just found some of the comments of interest as a whole. However, it is a reputable site. The same as quoting the '14 reasons' from CNN. Which by the way, I located a site that disputes that as a junk email that was just someone's opinion. Even some of the government studies are not accurate as per the article I posted earlier. We definately disagree on the extent that the people pay taxes. If my memory is correct, you do have a small amount of experience with some families that abuse the tax issue. While I am not an expert by any means (I don't watch TV with commercials so I don't have the education of Greys anatomy or CSI or the other one) I am very involved in the hispanic community. I see and hear alot. Many times I serve as translator so I get alot of inside information. So, I feel very comfortable when I disagree with some of your comments. Do you know what I truly wish? I wish this could all be resolved without all the hate I see in this forum. Get the criminal eliment out and work with the rest. Open the doors so the can get work visas. Then in time with no trouble with the law, a resident card. In more time perhaps citizenship. It does not have to be a carte blanche like the opposition thinks we supporters want. We just want some thing a bit more fair.

mdc, Broken Arrow (11/29/2007 5:06:01 PM)

srachavez-what 14 reasons are you talking about? I've seen others post it, but those numbers are similar but not the same as the numbers i posted. I posted information from a government agency that is all for immigration reform. They used information from the IRS, Census, and other government agencies to put together their report. it was never fully published because they were afraid it would cause racial tension in this country. But, sorry... it is an official study. That doesn't mean that the number are exact... no way to get exact numbers... but they are more accurate than anything else I've found.

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There is no need for reform until there is enforcement. Without enforcement, reform will only create more chaos. The immigration laws aren't respected and enforced adequately today. What makes you think they will be after reform?

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Your definition of fair is slanted. You want things "easier" not fair. Fair is when an immigrant from another country must follow a process to even get into the US. Walking across the border is not a "fair" way to immigrate.

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Other than an Immigration Attorney, you'd be hard pressed to find someone around here that has helped more people legally immigrate into this country. And, for the record, most of the people that have LEGALLY immigrated to this country and extremely upset about the illegal immigration problem. It upsets them to know that they paid the fees and followed the process to EARN what they have, when others cheated and just took it.

rose, Tulsa (11/29/2007 5:21:57 PM)

SRACHAVEZ:

There will be temporary hiccups when employers are forced to obey the law, but the work was done and the economy was fine before the invasion of illegal workers.

Honest employers managed when paying fair wages to legal workers. They will manage again when forced to return to keeping a lower percentage of the take.

The problem with granting any sort of amnesty to those already here is that there are already WAY too many here.

They need to return to their homelands and come back in legally.

When so many of our youths are risking life and limb for our country, the legal process of becoming an American is a very small price to pay. Millions from all over the world have done it. They have assimilated, not invaded.

Those not willing to do things legally have no business being here. If they prefer to break many laws to becoming American citizens, they are undesirable and should not be allowed here.

For those who want to work here but do not want to become Americans, there are legal work programs that allow them to be here temporarily, but legally.

There is no good excuse for things being as they are or allowing it to continue.

rose, Tulsa (11/29/2007 5:29:01 PM)

As for employers moving work off-shore - they have been doing that for quite some time now, long before HB 1804 and without justification.

That's another battle that I hope is waged, but it's going on primarily in occupations not yet taken over by illegal immigrants. I seriously doubt that enforcement of HB 1804 is going to impact that situation at all. Larger corporations are moving technical work off-shore or abusing work visa programs to import workers from other countries when there are plenty of qualified Americans. While I wish that HB1804 would solve that problem too, it's an entirely different issue.