Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, Oklahoma (11/29/2007 12:05:01 PM)

What I wrote about David Green first contacting Billy Joe Daugherty did not come from the Tulsa World Articles. It came from AP articles and NewsOK dot com articles and a NewsOK online video.

Mike, (11/29/2007 12:07:56 PM)

God told me to write this comment.

Hello Dolli, San Diego (11/29/2007 12:11:10 PM)

So guys and gals....how has the Oru "scandal" and the

senate investigation of the WOF ministers changed your sense of believing and giving. By the way....II Cor 9:8-13 is a NT way of giving. It glorifys God.

Hello Dolli, San Diego (11/29/2007 12:12:54 PM)

OOPS!...excuse all typos.

~sojourner, Adair (11/29/2007 12:15:14 PM)

100. 11/29/2007 11:46:06 AM, Can't wait for you to fall..., Rochester

Your ONLY loyalty should be to God, and the Word as it is clearly written!

You think it is a commendation to go on supporting someone who preaches contrary to the Word?? That's rediculous!! I find your comments very enlightening as to the throngs who claim the name Christ, yet follow men and deny God. If you want to follow RR follow him! Nobody here will stop you. We all have free will to serve whoever we want. Go for it. God bless you in your walk.

Laters...

Maurice, Tulsa (11/29/2007 12:21:11 PM)

OKLAHOMA HAS NATIONS MOST DEPRESSED PEOPLE. No surprise there. Just read some of these posts.

Ol city boy, (11/29/2007 12:21:48 PM)

ORU has had other Angels come to its aid in time of need, but only to have their wings clipped. Here's hoping that Mr. Green will provide the oversight and accountability that has been so sorely lacking for many years.

Present students, alumni and those following this story may be learning some invaluable lessons in life that no professor or number of degrees would provide:

1) There may be Old/New Testaments with scriptures for all of us to use in our daily lives as well as Commandments, but He also gave us a good mind to use our intellect and judgment. You wouldn't put your purse or billfold on a Tulsa street corner downtown and come back in an hour and expect it to be there. Why, because not everybody believes AND practices the scriptures. Life is made-up of options and choices. Some in ANY position, industry or organization is capable of choosing the wrong options or choices.

2) Just think of those in leadership positions within religion that have fallen from grace....many with sexual promiscuity: Paul Crouch, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, Robert Tilton, Ted Haggard and numerous Catholic priests across the country. This isn't confined to religion either. It happens in business/industry, the entertainment business, politics (both parties) and professional athletics as well. My point is whether the be called a congregation, fans, admirers, viewers, voters or a parish/diocese - they MUST to be accountable and held to a higher standard since they have the trust (if not dollars) of many in their control. We only have to look at the head of the Red Cross who wasn't in his new job 6 months before using more than poor judgment and having to resign.

"It's my ____________ (church, business, career, university, car, lethal weapon, etc.) and I'll do what I want." is unacceptable. Some people learn or are learning this the hard way I'm afraid.

I'm not charging anybody with anything as I don't have all of the facts like others, before someone wants to straighten me out. I AM saying that EVERYBODY in a leadership position ANYWHERE needs and MUST be accountable with full transparency....ESPECIALLY when other peoples money is involved - whether it be a university, church, bank, city/state/federal official (elected or appointed), mutual fund manager or CFO of a company.

Maurice, Tulsa (11/29/2007 12:26:32 PM)

How did Richard one day, all of a sudden, start looking like his dad? Surgery?

Tom, Irving (11/29/2007 12:26:58 PM)

With all the fringe/extremist cult like "religious" groups in this big country of ours we can all be thankful there are so few "colleges" feeding this delusional beast, ie BYU, Bob Jones, Liberty, Pepperdine, and ORU come to mind. When folks call others "haters" they do so to place the other person as irrational and therefore they do not have to present a rational or logical argument. Right wingers do this all the time by labeling those against the Iraq War or the rising and out of control deficit as "Bush Haters". There really is no logical argument that can be made for the Roberts' thieveing antics over the decades, but "faith", which is irrational. #99- Oral saw the 600 pound Jesus in the desert behind his Rancho whatever mansion so it wouldn't have been on the Jones Airport radar.

dtaylor, (11/29/2007 12:30:06 PM)

116. so true ol city boy. yes that the challenge of the hour for me personally, i will work hard to implement it into my own life and whatever areas are lacking. this is the challenge. as it unfolds before our eyes. i hope i can be counted worthy.

Terrry, Bartlesville (11/29/2007 12:33:45 PM)

Something doesn't seem fair here. When Richard hears God, people send him money. When I hear God, my psychatrist has me locked up.

Richard Terry, OKC (11/29/2007 12:34:18 PM)

REPLY#37.Why bash all of TBN pastors? all are not bad. Some I wonder about but most of them are doing Gods work the way they should. Just because RR has fallen and will pay for what he has done. He may be fogiven by GOD, but there are prices you have to pay for breaking Gods laws that is the way it works.

Just Wondering, Tulsa (11/29/2007 12:37:11 PM)

#117: Does Richard have gi-normous earlobes like his dad?

Richard Roberts, Tulsa (11/29/2007 12:38:35 PM)

God says give ORU more money !!!

inquiring mind, tulsa (11/29/2007 12:43:38 PM)

What's wrong with Pepperdine #118?

Curious, Tulsa (11/29/2007 12:51:28 PM)

#118: How can you lump Pepperdine in with ORU, Bob Jones, Liberty, etc? It is nothing like those other schools. Check its website and you will see the error of your ways. Pepperdine is highly thought of in every academic circle--unlike ORU, Bob Jones, Liberty, etc.

Seeking the Truth, Riverside (11/29/2007 1:00:26 PM)

Need answers? Apostasywatch dot com

MO Alum, (11/29/2007 1:02:33 PM)

No body is going to jail; either in Tulsa, Ft Worth, Atlanta , St. Louis, or Tampa. No ministry is going to be closed or lose the nfp status. Some may be down sized because their donations drop. The reality is that just because you think someone is a character, heretical, and dishonest doesn't mean they are or that they are breaking any laws. I can't see myself ever sending money to someone to buy a second, faster jet when they have one already. But apparently a lot of other people will. I would never give a donation to buy anyone a Roll Royce. But a lot of people will. Welcome to America. What goes on in other peoples churches is none of our business.

Support who you want. Believe what you want but recognize that others have the same right.

Tom, Irving (11/29/2007 1:03:12 PM)

Yeah, gotta delete Pepperdine from the list, my point of reference was the 60's when pep officials were saying all kinds of racist stuff that they apparently grew out of, note that ole self-righteous Ken Starr is Dean of Law School-still shudders at the thought of that thong, I'll bet. Achievements of grads alone separates it from others mentioned, several beauty queens and major league ball players.

Prayerful In NM, Silver City (11/29/2007 1:11:55 PM)

72. 11/29/2007 10:08:14 AM, ~sojourner, Adair

67. 11/29/2007 9:38:54 AM, ORU CLASS '92

Your post encouraged me. My husband and I have " come out" of organized, denominational religion and for now fellowship online with the Unleavened Bread Ministry. Some have had dreams about "well known" ministers repenting for the errorneous doctrines that they had been teaching. It would be very hard I would think to stand in front of thousands of people and admit that the doctrines you have been teaching were false, but a few will ( very few). The group we fellowship with pray for those who's hearts God is really speaking too that they will humble themselves and love God and Truth more than man,money, fame and the world in general.

I do hope you are right as there won't be many that love the truth enough to come out. We continue to pray for those who will.

I just wanted to tell you that their will be some and perhaps you are correct, keep praying!

Ignatz, Broken Bow (11/29/2007 1:12:30 PM)

Well MO alum, are we a better people/country for allowing a system which rewards con artists for taking pensions from the gullible? As I recall, the Old Test mentions reserving all the hot virgins for the priests, who just so happened to write the thing. Tribal witch doctors expect and receive special consideration. What is the point of cultural/scientific advancement if supernaturalists are encouraged to rip off our fellow citizenry?

Midwest, (11/29/2007 1:14:22 PM)

118. 11/29/2007 12:26:58 PM, Tom, Irving

With all the fringe/extremist cult like "religious" groups in this big country of ours we can all be thankful there are so few "colleges" feeding this delusional beast, ie BYU, Bob Jones, Liberty, Pepperdine, and ORU come to mind.

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ORU and Liberty are not cult schools. Both of these schools are interdenominational. RR was trying to change it, but he couldn't do it very well because he needed all the interdenominational IMO, any major influence would be in the theology majors which were a small part of the student body. Anyway, I would rather have the profs at ORU teaching my kids than the weirdo prof with the pony tail that was fired from a public university. I think my kids were better off with the stricter rules than public universities. I think my kids were a lot safer in the dorm with some like minded friends than some of the university catastrophes I have read about in the last months.

I do not have any personal knowledge with the other colleges mentioned. JMO.

dtaylor, (11/29/2007 1:19:08 PM)

i have just seen some things in the past were if the local ppl and the leadership doesnt jump in with the new prospect, the new prospect checks the temp and says it is not worth the cost.

i dont know about anyone else, i was hoping that would be different now, excuse me for thinking. i guess it had to come to this.

Alan Pike, (11/29/2007 1:19:15 PM)

127 Mo Alum

I'd say that is a sweeping generality.

Better stay in your present line of work.

Depends on what the investigators find.

Midwest, (11/29/2007 1:24:11 PM)

131. 11/29/2007 1:14:22 PM, Midwest,

Sorry. Should read ....he also needed all the interdenominational students for cash flow.. IMO andy...............