qqq, (12/6/2007 1:22:04 AM)

Finally, a new article!

Larry2, Tulsa (12/6/2007 2:07:20 AM)

Thank you Pat!

I for one take Robertson at face value and thank God that successful people have not only seen the value and potential at ORU, but are willing to step up and help.

One could come up with many ulterior motives that Robertson or Green might have but I see no advantage in going there.

Observer, Tulsa (12/6/2007 3:35:41 AM)

It must be very embarrassing for Oral to have Pat Robertson offering to help straighten out the mess Richard has made of ORU. Oral couldn't make a go of his law school, dental school, medical school, and hospital (City of Faith), so why would anyone think things would be run any better at his school? Makes one wonder what goes on inside the ORM offices, too.

Fifty Dollar Fine, (12/6/2007 3:57:50 AM)

From the article:

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"“Anything that might happen with Regent University is only in the talking stages,” she said. Sterling learned about the discussions during a small staff meeting in which the ORU Faculty Assembly president spoke."

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Does anybody know what the Faculty Assembly does? Is it like an academic senate?

Fifty Dollar Fine, (12/6/2007 4:08:00 AM)

#2 Larry 2 - "I for one take Robertson at face value and thank God that successful people have not only seen the value and potential at ORU, but are willing to step up and help."

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Pat Robertson is a rightwing crank just like OR. I think nothing will change at ORU under a Robertson regieme, except perhaps the name.

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I think Blood Diamonds U, Tulsa has a great ring to it.

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"One could come up with many ulterior motives that Robertson or Green might have but I see no advantage in going there."

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Why not? Neither is trustworthy in my book -- what multimillionaire businessman ever gives away anything unless they can get something of equal or greater value in return?

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As for Theocrat Pat, he's so far gone with xenophobic hate he's flipped his lid. His antics can only further tar the image of ORU, both within American Christendom and without.

The Oracle, Tulsa (12/6/2007 4:32:07 AM)

robertson is better at seperating people from their money than little richard and lindsay.He has "revelations" and he makes predictions as if he considers himself a prophet.he is no prophet,otherwise his predictions would not fail.he refused to board a ship going to Korea and was considered AWOL until his congressman daddy got him off the hook.He was then given the job as liquor procurement officer for the officers club in Korea.he has visions and hears voices and these messages are contradictory and self serving.He has entered into diamond and gold scams with dictators.sounds like more of the same for the strange looking campus on South Lewis.

jam, tulsa (12/6/2007 4:55:17 AM)

The school definitely needs a new name...something with a cool ring to it like Billy Joe Jim Bob University (BJJB U) or Creflo Dollar University, CDU for short...gotta love the irony in that name!

For Your Info, (12/6/2007 5:26:52 AM)

From the ORU Website:

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Dear Students, Faculty and Staff,

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The feedback of the students, faculty, staff and alumni is very important to the future success of ORU. And it is important to the Board of Regents. Because of this, Acting President Billy Joe Daugherty and I have formed the Chairman’s Council.

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The objectives for this Chairman’s Council are twofold. First, we would like to provide an opportunity for Dr. Daugherty and me to update key individuals across the university on issues that the Board of Regents is discussing. Second, we would like to provide a forum for dialog about those issues and an opportunity for us to gather ideas and opinions to take back to the full board. These key individuals can also serve as the communication link back to the groups they represent.

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A group of individuals has been chosen that represents a broad cross-section of the university. We will meet for the first time on Thursday in what I believe will become a regularly scheduled Chairman’s Council meeting. The representatives on the Chairman’s Council include:

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University Vice Presidents

David Ellsworth

Dr. Mark Lewandowski

Mike Bernard

Dr. Nancy Brainard

Mike Carter

Dr. Ralph Fagin

Dr. Jeff Ogle

Tim Philley

David Wagner

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University Associate Vice President

George Paul

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Representatives from Deans Council

Dr. Thomson Mathew

Dr. Debbie Sowell

Dr. Clarence Boyd

Dr. Cal Easterling

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Faculty Member at Large

Angela Graves

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UFA President

Dr. Agena Farmer

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Tenured Faculty Chair

Dr. Ken Weed

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Staff Member at Large

Ron Lee

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Student Association President

Adam Arrington

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Alumni Association President

Rhae Buckley

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Alumni Association Director

Natalie Bounds

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Director of Public Relations

Jeremy Burton

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Thanks for your continued support and remember that, as we follow God’s will, ORU’s brightest days are ahead.

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George Pearsons

Chairman

ORU Board of Regents

Dale , (12/6/2007 5:35:58 AM)

A New York Times article says that Pat Robertson has resigned as head of his empire, and his son has taken his place in running their affairs. Pat remains as president of Regency University. His son was quoted as saying that he and his dad do not always agree, and that where dad is emotional and impulsive, his son is logical and businessl-like in making decisions. Perhaps this adds a note of hope in this sea of despair.

frank, (12/6/2007 5:40:13 AM)

How about this name: RIU-------Red Ink University?

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RNU--------Religious Nut University?

or

BSU-------Bible Scam University?

Jack Evans, (12/6/2007 6:01:42 AM)

The same gang of RR enablers, who aided, abetted and covered up wrong-doing for all those years are still in place.

The "boss" may be gone. May, because that's not sure yet. But his lieutenants are not.

The "little RR's" who were complicit in his shenanigans are still there. So what's different?

David Ellsworth Mark Lewandowski

Mike Bernard . Nancy Brainard

Mike Carter. Ralph Fagin

Jeff Ogle Tim Philley David Wagner

MR. GREEN, TAKE YOUR MONEY AND RUN.

Leave this incorrigible bunch to Robertson.

Get all their types together under one roof -- Regent's roof.

The country will be safer.

Vitriol venom of the bloggers+Swails, Brooker ORU-out connection, LH (12/6/2007 6:10:44 AM)

from #1370 Robertson assistance TW article

"I have wondered what percentage of Tulsans have this mocking sarcastic attitude that has been dislayed in these posts. When our children attended ORU, we thought about moving to Tulsa to save 11 years of extensive travel. If these people are any reflection of the remainder of Tulsans, I am glad that we didn't."

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That's the evidence the depression is spreading. Many more throughout Tulsa and the country talking just like this. The blogger venom has spread and is hurting our community. Finally, real evidence revealed. Not just self-serving opinions.

Alan Pike, (12/6/2007 6:15:54 AM)

SAME Board of Regents

SAME enablers.

They'll never change. Old faces, old ways.

"Change" is a charade.

They don't deserve your support, Mr. Green.

Get out while you can.

They'll fit in perfectly with Robertson's weird prophetic uttering and ways.

I agree with Evans.

Herd them all under Robertson's roof and be done with it.

Regent Site Team Praises ORU, The Truth Revealed in Tulsa (12/6/2007 6:30:27 AM)

Finally, some good news on these blogs...

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Regent Site Team Praises ORU

Dr. Pat Robertson, President and Chancellor of Regent University issued the following statement:

I have always loved and admired Oral Roberts and the ministry and culture of Oral Roberts University. I was recently contacted by members of their Board of Regents and asked if there was anything we at Regent University could do to assist them during this difficult time.

I immediately asked one of our Board members to head a team composed of a former Dean of our Divinity School, the head of Facilities Management, the head of Information Technology, the head of Human Resources, and the Head of Finance and Administration to visit the ORU Campus. Today they returned with the following observations:

The faculty, staff, students and alumni are dedicated, concerned and loving people who are doing their very best during this difficult time.

The assets of ORU will allow them to restructure and recover from this temporary setback and ORU will continue to be one of the premier Christian Colleges in America!

The academic program at ORU is outstanding!

Regent stands ready to offer support and assistance to ORU. We have made this known to their board and staff. Our prayers will continue and we firmly believe that something good will happen as a result of the recent changes at ORU.

Dr. Billy Joe Daugherty, the Interim President of ORU expressed his appreciation for the time and efforts and encouragement provided by the Regent team, and asked me personally for specific recommendations which might be of help to ORU.

Jack Evans, (12/6/2007 6:41:05 AM)

-- Law school down.

-- Dental school down.

-- Medical school down.

-- Hospital failed.

-- 13 or so years of RR -- now he's gone under a flurry of allegations.

But the SAME BOR?

The same administration

No wonder ORU is a joke.

Elizabeth Conley, Norfolk (12/6/2007 6:54:24 AM)

13. 12/6/2007 6:15:54 AM, Alan Pike

One of the essential elements of Christian leadership is a teachable mind.

If ORU's Regent's can't pull themselves together and build a good future for ORU, then the state of the crisis extends much further than Tulsa.

Let's just watch and pray. Whatever we may thing of some of their more flamboyant shenanigans, the regents should possess the minimum requirements of Christian leadership. Therefor, some change for the better should be a foregone conclusion.

Should those changes for the better fail to emerge, we should all take it as a indictment against their entire subculture, not just a problem at ORU.

I for one, am perfectly content to allow ORU to be the "canary in the mine". If ORU thrives, well and good. If the regents cannot or will not fix the problems, then it's time to panic!

Seen from this perspective, keeping the board of regents intact is a good thing. This is a very public experiment that will either redeem the board members or demonstrate their intransigence.

anthony bhal, tulsa (12/6/2007 7:06:32 AM)

CRAZY BIRDS OF A FEATHER "FLOCK" TOGETHER.

Hello Dolli, San Diego (12/6/2007 7:06:37 AM)

Quotes from Rick Warren on some fellow evangelists:

"The opulent lifestyles of televangelists make me sick," said Warren, of those ministries now under investigation. The scandals, he said, flow from the "prosperity gospel" that many televangelists preach.

"Success in any area often creates a spirit of entitlement -- 'I deserve this' -- that is the exact opposite of servant leadership," Warren said.

Midwest, (12/6/2007 7:17:30 AM)

16. 12/6/2007 6:54:24 AM, Elizabeth Conley, Norfolk

....."I for one, am perfectly content to allow ORU to be the "canary in the mine".".........

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Liz--Your comments are well said. In years past, "the canary in the mine" was the first signal of danger for gas poisoning in mines. Now they have electronic gas detectors. Let's hope that ORU uses the basics as well as the latest tools to move forward. The fact that the BOR called on a similar private university like Regent for their advise, shows that they are reaching out.

SUSIE, (12/6/2007 7:23:37 AM)

I am thankful for men like Rick Warren. Yes, there are SOME genuine pastors and shepherds with us. I also believe there are SOME genuine ORU Board of Regents members. Why are the good ones (on the board) allowing the phoney televangelists - full-of-themselves- and promoting false doctrine - to remain on the board????? I think that until ORU cleans up its Board of Regents - nothing good will come out of this present situation.

Alan Pike, (12/6/2007 7:39:54 AM)

13 Eliz. Conley.

What kind of psycho-babble is that?

Change needs to begin in increments, now, not when the "canary" is dead.

Dr. Pepper , (12/6/2007 7:44:26 AM)

Go Rick Warren!!!!!!!

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18. 12/6/2007 7:06:37 AM, Hello Dolli, San Diego

Quotes from Rick Warren on some fellow evangelists:

"The opulent lifestyles of televangelists make me sick," said Warren, of those ministries now under investigation. The scandals, he said, flow from the "prosperity gospel" that many televangelists preach.

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"Success in any area often creates a spirit of entitlement -- 'I deserve this' -- that is the exact opposite of servant leadership," Warren said.

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, Oklahoma (12/6/2007 7:46:02 AM)

Unlike Marion G. "Pat" Robertson, I have never known Granville Oral Roberts to preach politics from the pulpit or from any of his TV shows. I never heard OR say that a leader of a country should be assassinated.

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In the Greek text of the Bible, "poimen" is the word for both pastor and shepherd. It is the English Bible translators who called "poimen" by different names.

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The English vocabulary to translate the Hebrew and Greek languages of the original texts is more than double both of those languages combined.

Wake up!, (12/6/2007 7:54:34 AM)

God told Richard to ask for $100 from the faithful last night. He told him this right before the show while Richard was just minding his own business. If they sent it in they will be abundantly blessed....Not a very creative scam, but good enough to keep these hucksters going....Why do people believe such an obvious lie? Because they want to! Shame on you if you have anything to do with these con men.

The Posts on this Blog are Venomous, Again, misleading information given (12/6/2007 7:58:23 AM)

to #18 (Get information right--Rick Warren is the last person to quote)

Rick Warren on some fellow evangelists:

"The opulent lifestyles of televangelists makes me sick," said Warren, of those ministries now under investigation. The scandals, he said, flow from the "prosperity gospel" that many televangelists preach.

"Success in any area often creates a spirit of entitlement -- 'I deserve this' -- that is the exact opposite of servant leadership,"

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What's Rick Warren talking about? He's one of the biggest takers of all! In 1996 he intentionally exceeded the fair-market value for his housing allowance (which is non-taxed) by a whole lot. I mean a whole lot (just google this--you'll find it all over the internet). The IRS came after him and he sued them.

Yes, he sued them!

The IRS said, "OK, we'll just take this helpful item away from all ministers because of Warren."

Thanks Rick! He had to give in or have worse press than RR ever had.

Ever since these article have begun so much wrong information has been give to the public. Bunch of double-talk.