David, Tulsa (12/7/2007 1:39:57 AM)

Senator,

WHY are you more concerned with the welfare of the ILLEGAL families than they are? If these families were not here illegally, the problems you are complaining about wouldn't be an issue now would it? When you don't follow the law, bad things happen but who is at fault? I don't believe their plight is a consideration for the American citizenry. If they were not here illegally, they would not have the issues that they fear. Common sense Senator.

PAN, Grove Area (12/7/2007 2:46:28 AM)

Seems to me that THIS Senator is the mad scientist who is probably getting kick backs or benefiting financially in some way. If he isn't then it seems he would be willing to leave this HB alone. LEGAL citizens moved away when they started getting screwed on jobs and pay. OK keeps saying it wants to bring in new business. Well, who in their right mind would want to bring businesses to an ILLEGAL-infested state? Given time people will come back and fill those jobs when they find out that THEY are going to get the same good treatment that the ILLEGALS were getting. Until then, Mr. Senator, suck it up and count your losses.

Native Tulsan, (12/7/2007 3:18:39 AM)

"There are not enough Americans who are willing to work construction."

The cold hard truth. Our economy depends on the 12 MILLION illegal workers in this country. This bill is an over-zealous knee-jerk reaction to the issue of immigration. I'll be happy to support this bill when you find me 12 million legal citizens willing to do the type of work the illegals are doing. Oklahoma sticks its head in the sand once again......

The Oracle, Tulsa (12/7/2007 3:27:44 AM)

If the Senator derives most of his income from the construction and building trade,then we can see his reason for opposition.When they say "it aint the money"...ITS THE MONEY..

Tulsan, Tulsa (12/7/2007 5:02:40 AM)

Pure hogwash!

Benefits should be dependant on citizenship and/or legal satus. No mention of 'dark skin'.

It's ridiculous how the employers and friends of employers make such statements and comments that are quickly published as though they are fact.

Sure the legal workers who have been displaced for too many years have found other ways of paying their bills. Most of them are not still sitting by the phone, waiting for their former employers to invite them back.

If the employers offer a fair wage, legal workers will fill the jobs.

The jobs were filled and the work was done before the invasion of undocumented workers - they will be filled again when the employers once again become respectable American employers.

Legal workers in many other parts of the nation are paid much higher wages than the workers here made before they were replaced by illegal workers. Their employers still make money.

It's pure greed on the part of the employers and many elected officials have trouble remembering who they are supposed to represent.

Jo, Owasso (12/7/2007 5:51:22 AM)

Illegal Illegal Illegal We as a country seem to more and more blur the line between right and wrong. If illegal's arn't here to do the jobs then maybe our children, our unemployed college grads, our displaced older workers will be able to learn a trade. Not being able to find people to fill these jobs is a statement created by people that don't want to pay a fair wage, benifits, or haven't asked for assistance from our goverenment to create programs to get people off of welfare into these jobs so that all could be a win win. Bottom line is that Illegal should be Illegal. If they want what America has to offer go through the system to arrive as a legal worker.

Tired argument, Tulsa (12/7/2007 5:51:27 AM)

Support for HB 1804 is not waning among legal citizens.

Under the new law, Oklahoma is not taking people to the border, they are only assisting federal agencies in enforcing federal law that already exists.

I doubt that the problem would have ever grown to it's current size if it weren't for greedy employers who have been violating the law for years and replacing legal workers with undocumented workers.

Those employers who have followed the rules, will not be impacted by local enforcement.

The elected officials who advocate allowing the situation to continue have forgotten who they are supposed to represent.

This issue is shining a light on those politicians as well. We are able to see which are for sale or have a conflict of interest when it comes to serving the people they were elected to represent.

The public exposure of their true loyalties is enlightening. In some cases, it borders on indecent exposure.

There is no reason for taxpayers to continue subsidizing the wages paid by unethical employers to illegal workers.

The fabric of our society is being compromised, while our pockets are being picked to enrich greedy employers who want to continue violating the law.

oldrusty, tulsaoldrusty@gmail.com (12/7/2007 5:52:36 AM)

The Hunter-gather, mentality of the Oklahoma legislators , is really evident , as is the undocumented, predator critics ,imaginations running wild.A common sense, approach is really needed.

R.D., Tulsa (12/7/2007 6:12:01 AM)

Of course 80% of Okies are for it, they are all christian bible thumper haters. Why treat these people like they are human. They shouldn't do that! They need someone to pick on in church. They stole this land fair and square from the Injuns and they done look like them illlegals runnin around here. The bible belt has to hate someone or it wouldn't be the bible belt. If Jesus was born today Terrill would have him arested for being named "JESUS".

jam, tulsa (12/7/2007 6:32:01 AM)

#8 and #9, you folks obviously have a bad case of BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome). Your personal hatred of Bush is affecting your reasoning. SEEK HELP NOW and please don't play with loaded weapons and sharp, pointed objects!

jam, tulsa (12/7/2007 6:38:42 AM)

Oh, and add #10, especially, an obvious lefty-looney with no credibility at all concerning the 1804 argument.

R.D. , Tulsa (12/7/2007 6:44:08 AM)

There goes jam again! Where did you get BDS in #8? I thought you were supposed to put no race and hate in your e-mail. You don't have it in your heart you just have it in your comments all the time. I am sure you are in church every Sunday praying for them people to leave or be executed soon. Do you donate to your missions in church to go force your beliefs on other countries around the world? I think you have the problem with loving your lying president too much. Oh he is also supposed to be a christian.

mike, tulsa (12/7/2007 6:48:16 AM)

ok Jam/cory m you have found another name from which to post......

R.D., Tulsa (12/7/2007 6:57:56 AM)

Thanks jam I didn't want to be left out of your hate and race argument. You are so good at hating and rationalizing your racial values. You don't see your yourself as a racist everyone else does.

Have fun in church. I hope you take your hood off when you go in!

JW, (12/7/2007 7:02:50 AM)

Coates and his cronies should be fined and locked up. They are the ROOT of our problem.

This says it all, Tulsa (12/7/2007 7:03:10 AM)

Info taken from oksenate.gov

Senator Harry E. Coates, Jr. currently serves Senate District #28 which is comprised of all or portions of Lincoln, Oklahoma, Pottawatomie and Seminole Counties.

Occupation: Harry E. Coates, Inc., a construction consulting firm

Tulsan, Tulsa (12/7/2007 7:05:52 AM)

Geez you guys posting against 1804 and for wide open borders with no enforcement only amplify the reasons we need border control.

You are your own worst enemy when it comes to making a point.

If you have legitimate debate on the issue, it might be taken seriously.

But all you do is blast those in favor of enforcing immigration law.

Again, thanks for not having any credible to say. Fact is, there aren't any good reasons to let things continue.

If your only defense or argument is to accuse everyone in favor of control of being racist or bigots, your case is pretty dang weak.

jam, tulsa (12/7/2007 7:11:57 AM)

RD, you won't find racism or hatred in ANY of my arguments. Again. seek help for your anger and BDS.

E T, tulsa (12/7/2007 7:24:01 AM)

Coates is upset because he is a developer/contracter and does work for walmart. he is upset because the illegal labor that he might have used he will now have to hire legal labor and pay taxes on them. don't you find it interesting that the only companies that might go out of business are the ones that use illegal labor?

Mel, (12/7/2007 8:03:32 AM)

If you want the real story and reaction to the bill, get a copy of the Thursdays edition of "THE BEACON".

Steven, North Tulsa (12/7/2007 8:03:55 AM)

I find it funny that people in Oklahoma, not a border state, think they can solve this country's border problems. We can't, and hb1804 made nothing illegal that wasn't illegal before. This is a do-nothing hot button issue that you people are falling for.

Graciela, tulsa (12/7/2007 8:19:14 AM)

Found this survey on the internet this morning and thought it may be of interest to you, as well as your responsibility to report the truth, NOT LA propaganda.

"American Pulse(TM) Survey: Providing Benefits to Undocumented Immigrants; Overwhelming Majority Don't Think It's Good for America.(Survey of 4,069 respondents.)

COLUMBUS, OH -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 12/05/07 -- As the debate heats up over whether or not the U.S. Government should provide benefits to undocumented immigrants, most Americans agree that it is not good for the country, according to the American Pulse(TM) Survey of 4,069 respondents. The majority of respondents said "No" when asked if they think undocumented immigrants should be given the following:

77% of Americans are against providing Educational Benefits to illegal aliens.

82% of Americans are against providing Driver’s Licenses to illegal aliens

89% of Americans are against providing Business Licenses to illegal aliens

74% of Americans are against providing Job Training to illegal aliens

83% of Americans are against providing Housing Assistance to illegal aliens

December 5, 2007

SYS-CON Media

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IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THESE ARE NATIONAL AVERAGES AND LIKELY TO BE SEVERAL PERCENT POINTS HIGHER IN CONSERVATIVE STATES.

Enforcing our Immigration Laws and Securing National Borders are not partisan, divisive, or polarizing issues! In current polls the vast majority of United States Citizens want our Immigration Laws Enforced and our National Borders Secured. Politicians without their own or their Elitist Political “Contributor’s” self serving agenda, support their citizens and not their Elitist “Contributors”.

John, (12/7/2007 8:26:09 AM)

Who was the one that made the statment "mothers who have dark skin"?

wmcol, Tulsa (12/7/2007 8:26:16 AM)

Terrill's "mothers who have dark skin" discriminatory comment affects a lot of people. What's sad is supporters of this mad man don't even care.

R.D. , Tulsa (12/7/2007 8:27:48 AM)

Being part Native American this is hillarious to listen to the way Okies think. Like #22 said, It is a do nothing hot button issue that just reinforces the right wing hate in our state. It is funny to hear how people that took land from someone else are now so worried about assimilation of another group of peoples coming into their land.HA! HA! Have fun stewing jam!