Not Fooled Either, Tulsa (12/9/2007 6:08:32 AM)

Alum '67 said it perfectly. Why can't other ORU students and alumni see it that way? Why are they STILL wearing blinders?

G, (12/9/2007 6:16:09 AM)

What kind of an article is this? The Tulsa World printed a whole article on nothing. They managed to sensationalize an absolutely nothing topic. If people want to whine about it, I suppose they can, but the Roberts' attorneys from the start of ORU showed efficiency in writing the bylaws. Obviously, when starting a business, you need things like that to be well designed so not just any whacko can pull a total takeover. When a new president is chosen, it will be someone who is in tune with the founding vision of what ORU was intended to become.

~sojourner, Adair (12/9/2007 10:17:33 AM)

Benny taught there are 9 in the Trinity, that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit each have their own seperate spirit, soul, and body... Kenneth Copeland teaches Jesus' shed blood on the cross and His death did not pay the price for our salvation. It was not finished on the cross as Jesus said, He still had to descend to hell and allow the devil and his demons to attack and torment Him for 3 days to complete the work of salvation.

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Please show me where this is clearly written in the Bible. It's not. They are adding to the written Word of God. Read the end of the Book, doing this comes with a very dire warning.

To the Lynch Mob, (12/9/2007 10:18:46 AM)

Chinese proverbs "Don't throw rocks in a glass house". Here is another one. "Don't pis@@@@ in the wind, it my blow back on you"

dtaylor, (12/9/2007 10:17:26 AM)

22. Hello Dolli-

It could be defined as 'the gospel of greed'.

To the Lynch Mob, (12/9/2007 10:14:57 AM)

You folks are and have been making a huge assumption that RR and LR are quilty of all the accusations. Word on the street is that virtually none of the finacial accusastions were valid. What was found was termed petty. Watch what happens in the hearings next week. Suit thrown out, Richardson disqualified. This case closed. New case John Doe vs Jane Doe, slander, defamation of character, theft of computer info. Watch next week.

dtaylor, (12/9/2007 10:28:26 AM)

25. Of course we will be watching, did you think we came this far to quit now.

Opinion from a far right conservative.

~sojourner, Adair (12/9/2007 10:30:42 AM)

Oh, and the mysterious, "God is going to rapture the church out of the earth BEFORE the Second Coming, and deliver us from the wrath to come."

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Show me where this is CLEARLY WRITTEN?? And for those of you ready to burn me alive... I do believe in the rapture of the saints... I just believe it is going to happen the way JESUS said it would in Matthew 24, and as it is CLEARLY WRITTEN.

dtaylor, (12/9/2007 10:31:41 AM)

alum 77, i enjoyed the discourse the other night. very good.

Hello Dolli, San Diego (12/9/2007 10:33:00 AM)

#26/#27: Thank you for that information. I have been reading scripture about false doctrine. Oh, how we need to be under the authority and submitted to the Holy Spirit in these last days. Only He can impart discernment so we can know the false from the True because they are often mixed together.

God, Heaven (12/9/2007 10:37:55 AM)

You've been a very naughty boy Richard, no seed can save you now.

dtaylor, (12/9/2007 10:14:22 AM)

50- Pardon me, but I've had 20+ years of Christian "help" crammed down my throat, why do think my posts are the way they are in the first place? People need that kind of "help" like they need a hole in the head.

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Let's try nice, mean isn't good today, it's Sunday, the Lords Day.

Jay, (12/9/2007 10:41:10 AM)

Lynch mob, you can't be serious?

Vivian, Tulsa (12/9/2007 10:45:32 AM)

Ziva's article said the BOR will meet next week. I'm curious as to how many of them attend these meetings. Is there ever a time when they are all there? Sleek little jets all lined up in a row at the airport?

dtaylor, (12/9/2007 10:47:35 AM)

Storms on the horizon.

Fight turns to flight.

More at 6.

~sojourner, Adair (12/9/2007 10:11:45 AM)

22. 12/9/2007 9:29:51 AM, Hello Dolli, San Diego

Let's be explicit, what false doctrine is being heralded

by spiritual leaders?

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Doctrines such as an "end time annointing", "latter day rain", "end time revival", "Joel's Army", etc.... God giving supernatural signs and wonders in the last days leading up to Antichrist... thousands of people praying in tongues all at once with no interpretation... preachers telling those that need prayer to stand, then telling the strangers around them to quickly lay hands on those standing for prayer... preacher giving prophecies publicly before they are judged by others, and deemed trye prophecies... the doctrine that some christians are sick or poor from a lack of faith... that God's will is for any christian to live in a mansion here on earth... the name-it-claim-it doctrine that says you can force God to heal or deliver by quoting a verse, versus praying for His will to be done and accepting it... and on and on and on....

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Each one of these concepts either adds to, takes away from, or is contrary to what is CLEARLY written in scripture. Show me where any of these doctrines are CLEARLY WRITTEN in the Bible. If God really said it, it must be written in there. Every one of these teachings are in clear violation of the Bible. That's why these preachers call them "revelations", or say things like "God's doing a new thing." Because it's not clearly written in there. They can't back it up with what's clearly written in context, all of these concepts are based on cherry picking a scripture or two here, and one there. And if you'll just look, you will see these verses never mean in context what these preachers say they do.

Jay, (12/9/2007 11:01:09 AM)

Cherry........I'm sure you are tired of reading it, after reading it 10 times. lol

Hugh, 3rd of Five, Hooville, VA (12/9/2007 7:21:50 AM)

#9 -- Speaking just for myself (also an alum), the idea is to get ORU back to its founding purpose -- to remove over two decades of obfuscation, repression, and stifling of dissent....

For ORU's revolution unto itself -- to return to its founding purposes -- there has to be major house cleaning on the Board. Without that, thinking ORU friends have reason to fear that within months, if not sooner, ORU will look at back at the past month as its "Prague Spring" -- a brief, glorious moment of hope, but one that died for lack of courage.

The "genie" of freedom is out of the bottle, may Pearsons & company not have the audacity to try to kill it.

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Ben Franklin (I wonder if they know that one down in Texas?)

G, (12/9/2007 11:10:18 AM)

The most interesting thing about the comments here is the surprise you all show on how the bylaws were written up.

The bylaws are not strange or surprising at all. No one here has any experience regarding corporate design of bylaws, obviously. ORU's are pretty boilerplate.

This really tells me that most that post here have no vested interest in ORU, either morally or financially, therefore you don't get a vote, either, in how the place is run. All you've got is your slander.

Early ORU Alum, Tulsa (12/9/2007 11:20:29 AM)

Charles Green is NOT Mart Green's father. Charles Green pastors the large Faith Church in New Orleans. He has three (3) earned doctorate degrees, the last one received from ORU in 1988.

MO Alum, (12/9/2007 7:17:52 AM)

Yes it's all true (IMO). OR set up the bylaws so he and Richard would have a super veto. Yes they hand picked the BOR and stacked it with people who believed in them and their theology. Yes OR never intended the BOR to run the school but their main functions were to provide legal compliance with IRS rules, protection for RR, and to give money.

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The BOR was fine with all this until they got sued for something RR either did or let happen (depending on whose telling the story). They were fine until the school was facing insolvency. They were fine until 90% of the faculty said that RR and LR had to go.

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I believe originally they were trying to send RR off while they cleaned up the mess and then they could bring him back sanitized and ready for service. I don't think that's the case any longer. I think they realize that if RR stays there is no future for ORU.

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If they take Mr. Green's, green (I've been waiting to say that) the focus of the school as an outreach of a healing ministry will change. It will become more like other Christian colleges. It will retain its Pentecostal/Charismatic view but you will see the association with mega star Television preachers (Benny, KC, etc) diminish rapidly. How that will effect recruiting and fund raising remains to be seen but I think God is involved and I am in faith for ORU future.

qqq, (12/9/2007 11:41:09 AM)

Thank you, thank you Ziva.

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Did you also get the Articles of Incorporation?

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2 requests:

1) Could you put the bylaws (& Articles of Incorporation) up on your website. They are public documents. I'm sure there are many more details that should be known.

2) Please make sure the Greens have a copy. This is part of what they need to see fixed before giving any more money.

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Also, I see nothing here about a possible override of the Spiritual Regents by the Business Regents that Don Vance commented on in his Morning Show interview (by a 90% vote). Is there any such thing in the Bylaws?

check it out, (12/9/2007 11:44:40 AM)

Good morning everyone. Has anyone tried driving in Tulsa this morning, How bad is it?

qqq, (12/9/2007 11:45:04 AM)

Ziva,

Another key element right now is the election of BOR members at ORU. One-third should be up for re-election. I suspect most folks don't know that. Who is on the ballot? This deserves some coverage.

no change = no change, (12/9/2007 11:45:11 AM)

#19 Aware that the Green family has

donated to Liberty U.

Greens: Just be careful! This is

different!!!