Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, Oklahoma (12/18/2007 5:49:04 PM)

Both Jerry Savelle and Jesse Duplantis are what I call "opening acts for Kenneth Copeland.

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How can they separate ORU and OREA/ORM when the same folks are on the boards of both?

dtaylor, (12/18/2007 6:00:10 PM)

jesse split because he was born at night, but not last night.

The Resignations, (12/18/2007 6:08:01 PM)

I think that some of these regents that are resigning, are realizing that they just don't have the time or inclination to put the time needed into being a regent at ORU, & that someone else may have a better committment to the school. Nothing more, nothing less.

dtaylor, (12/18/2007 6:17:13 PM)

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or could it be that this is the next sign it is beginning to fold on itself?

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creflo's spiritual father is kenneth.

and jesse and jerry are close friends who are close to kenneth who is dedicated to oral. not a good sign for the old guard.

Charismatic Mom, (12/18/2007 6:17:30 PM)

"3. 12/18/2007 6:08:01 PM, The Resignations,

I think that some of these regents that are resigning, are realizing that they just don't have the time or inclination to put the time needed into being a regent at ORU, & that someone else may have a better committment to the school. Nothing more, nothing less."

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Beautifully put! Thank you. ~Mom

very interesting, tulsa (12/18/2007 6:23:49 PM)

4. 12/18/2007 6:17:13 PM, dtaylor,

dtaylor - I agree with you. All of the changes to the BOR are not mere coincidence. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

dtaylor, (12/18/2007 6:30:27 PM)

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i dont know about creflo and his coming issues.

but i think jesse's split is one with kenneth, it is more meaningful, i'm sure kc approved it, but still. its looks shakey to me. only time will tell. it had to be a very difficult decision for both men, jd and kc.

BD, (12/18/2007 6:31:18 PM)

Oral taught these guys the 'seed faith' doctrine years ago. They now run their ministries just like Richard Roberts ran ORU. Seed Faith has morphed into selfish greed, justified by eligious doctrines. Autocratic to the max. Dollar, Hinn, DuPlantis... Copeland and Savelle could be next.

dtaylor, (12/18/2007 6:43:35 PM)

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it just doesn't cry out the, 'stand and fight' mentality that you would think it might, especially from jesse.. definitely a slight change in direction of the wind. this thing is bigger and farther reaching than we can even know right now. mo.

if the bor members are beginning to cut and run, what does that say for the individuals in general? are you telling me, the only reason they became regents was for the benefits. i know this is silly, but how many more regents have kids that are or will be college age coming up? forgive the meaningless bantering.

Hello Dolli, San Diego (12/18/2007 6:45:02 PM)

I read an article on the internet that said M. Hickey had resigned from the BOR. It was before RR resigned.

I am a bit stunned at the cost of one year's tuition and expenses. Now lets see $30,000.00 x 4= $120,000.00

for a BA degree. That's a lot of money! How much does it cost to go to OSU?

qqq, (12/18/2007 6:48:25 PM)

"Pearsons said then that Richard and Oral Roberts would not have any role in business decisions involving ORU."

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To me, that says ORU is keeping the Spiritual Regents.

dtaylor, (12/18/2007 6:49:35 PM)

this is oru's time of need, and for these guys to cut out, what does it say?

jesse weathered hurricane katrina, remember all that? this is oru's time of need. this is not registering at all. comments?

CM, (12/18/2007 6:58:28 PM)

To: ". 12/18/2007 6:31:18 PM, BD,

Oral taught these guys the 'seed faith' doctrine years ago....."

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What about God teaching it to them in His word. I don't think Oral was the originator of seeding. Just my humble opinion.

~Mom

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2 Corinthians 9:9-11 (Amplified Bible)

As it is written, He [the benevolent person] scatters abroad; He gives to the poor; His deeds of justice and goodness and kindness and benevolence will go on and endure forever! And [God] Who provides seed for the sower and bread for eating will also provide and multiply your [resources for] sowing and increase the fruits of your righteousness [which manifests itself in active goodness, kindness, and charity].Thus you will be enriched in all things and in every way, so that you can be generous, and [your generosity as it is] administered by us will bring forth thanksgiving to God.

qqq, (12/18/2007 7:00:09 PM)

dtaylor,

It's hard to tell. The BOR is now a place where work needs to be done and hard decisions made, not just good ol' boy greetings as it was in the past. I don't think GP is as fun a guy as RR.

All these guys are obvious targets for Grassley. If not already, then later. The less visibility they have outside their Ministry, the better.

They also know that their presence is probably in the way of ORU getting the other $62 million from the Greens.

qqq, (12/18/2007 7:01:03 PM)

I'd love to know which BOR members are up for reelection this year. Anyone have any insight?

Gail, Tulsa, Ok (12/18/2007 7:01:40 PM)

CM, The Amplified Bible is a commentary and not an actual Bible translation.

CM, (12/18/2007 7:20:24 PM)

"16. 12/18/2007 7:01:40 PM, Gail, Tulsa, Ok

CM, The Amplified Bible is a commentary and not an actual Bible translation."

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I use the Amplified to clarify the scriptures. I, myself, only read the KJV when I am at home. I consider it a more accurate translation.

qqq, (12/18/2007 7:22:57 PM)

Gail,

I know AMP gets a bunch of bad press, but it reads like a translation. The Lockman Foundation certainly considers it a translation. This is what Lockman says about it:

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The Amplified Bible is a translation that, by using synonyms and definitions, both explains and expands the meaning of words in the text by placing amplification in parentheses and brackets and after key words or phrases.This unique system of translation allows the reader to more completely grasp the meaning of the words as they were understood in the original languages.

Gail, Tulsa, Ok (12/18/2007 7:34:50 PM)

To: qqq & CM: I realize some do consider it a translation, but there probably just as many that do not. I do use it for some clarifications, but I find a lot of people using it solely. JMO

very interesting, tulsa (12/18/2007 7:44:28 PM)

9. 12/18/2007 6:43:35 PM, dtaylor

dtaylor - the timing and the numbers of the BOR resignations/lost status are very tellings to me. It's like a stack of dominoes. It IS bigger and farther reaching than we can imagine.

I really hope we get to find out all the details of this debacle. I think ORU supporters need and deserve all the information, not some lame cover-up.

very interesting, tulsa (12/18/2007 7:50:40 PM)

#20 dtaylor - Sorry - "telling"!

To Hello Dolli #10, (12/18/2007 7:50:54 PM)

Marilyn Hickey retired from the BOR in May of this year after 18 years. She's way into her 70's, has her own ministry, she's TIRED. Nothing to speculate about.

Anthony Bhal, tulsa (12/18/2007 7:53:45 PM)

ALL RATS BAIL SHIP...ALL RATS BAIL SHIP...

tuff, ponca (12/18/2007 7:55:15 PM)

Just as I thougth, when the ship starts stinking and sinking. the rats will run.

Now it is time for Hinn, Copeland, Jakes and others to "cut and run". It is time for them to stop clouding the young students minds. They should stop USING God.

Fifty Dollar Fine, (12/18/2007 8:07:05 PM)

#17 CM - " I, myself, only read the KJV when I am at home. I consider it a more accurate translation."

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LOL! Says the do-it-yourself bible scholar. That's dogma, not personal opinion.