Grad, (12/26/2007 1:42:42 AM)

No new developments in this story.

To sum it up - ORU is an enormous mess and will take years and years to recover - if ever.

insider for 45 + years, Glenpool, ok (12/26/2007 1:45:39 AM)

It is time to forgive, and move on. I can not believe how much hate I have been reading lately in all of the comments after all of the articles on ORU. I am a Christian and Love The Lord. I don't hate anyone and I forgive. I make mistakes all of the time, I pray that I will be forgiven and loved, by the Lord and my Christian Brothers and Sisters. Please it is time to forgive, show love and Christian brotherhood and sisterhood.

Jeff, Tulsa (12/26/2007 3:26:47 AM)

my cousin lives about 10 houses away from R & L house. She said she knows someone who services there and he told her that Lindsay is mean and hateful to him and the help working there. What a Christian example of walking in love. She is very demanding and forceful from what he told her.

insider for 45 + years, Glenpool, ok (12/26/2007 3:43:51 AM)

Everyone is entitled to there opinion but that does not mean that they can't be a christian. Unfortunately I had a boss just like what LR is being accused if (if it is true) and I still worked there, prayed for them, loved them, showed them Christian sisterhood, and prayed for me that I would not be like them and be godly. I worked for this person until this person had to retire and unfortunately that person died this year, but after this person retired we became very close friends, this person loved me children very much. So I know that people can change, forgive, and show christian brotherhood and sisterhood.

jam, tulsa (12/26/2007 6:16:00 AM)

Yeah, let's forgive and forget...and sweep the controversy under the rug! The scamming by the Roberts family and crooked BOR has been going on for decades. The whole mess continues to be an embarrassment fot Tulsa.

insider for 45 + years, Glenpool, ok (12/26/2007 6:30:13 AM)

Nobody said to cover anything up, but you can still forgive and get on with your lifes and living like Christians, but unfortunately the way it sounds no one is willing to forgive anything at all.

fsr42, (12/26/2007 6:30:46 AM)

Let's not engage in gossip about what somebody who lives near the Roberts' has said. At the same time let's not sugarcoat the situation by referring to the Roberts' abuses as "mistakes". A mistake is when you turn right when you should have turned left, or when you forget to carry the 1 in a math problem. What has apparently occurred here is a systematic abuse of authority because of a sense of entitlement that has gone on for far too long.

insider for 45 + years, Glenpool, ok (12/26/2007 6:35:16 AM)

Mistakes can be any shape and size. Unfortunately I have learned that. So it does not matter what size a mistake is. A mistake is a mistake no matter what it is and no matter what size it is.

insider for 45 + years, Glenpool, ok (12/26/2007 6:37:51 AM)

like I said I have never saw so much hate and unforgiveness in my life. Thank God that I am not that hateful and unforgiving, at least I pray to

God that I am not that way at all.

Alden, Tulsa (12/26/2007 6:40:11 AM)

Keep the sludge rising to the surface. Gotta be better than the Young and the Restless. Does anyone know who Richard was 'dating' while Lindsay played? And I want Ziva to read the two foot stack of paper that Richard uses as prayer/healing requests, and then launches into a prayer for the one with a hangnail in Birmingham. Odds are they are just scrap. (At least Tilton threw his away after he scammed the money out of his mail).

~sojourner, Adair (12/26/2007 6:48:57 AM)

Something Positive And Uplifting:

Jesus came and died to set the captives free. Even now, scales are beginning to fall from people's eyes, and they are seeing Truth. Though they are, and will be, in sorrow and grief discovering the apostacy they have partaken in, soon that sorrow will become joy, knowing they have escaped the very pits of hell itself! More and more will be delivered and set free from the heresy and lying signs and wonders movement that has invaded the church.. Those who are truly called and chosen are waking up as if from a deep sleep, a nightmare.. They are being set free from the deception and delusion, i.e. witchcraft, that has been allowed to infect their very souls. God is here, and is bringing His children out of the hands of the wicked... the rest of you will follow these men straight into acceptance of the lawless one foretold to rise. But for those who's heart is only towards God, who want nothing more, we will escape. The rest will be chasing the delusion, the signs and wonders.. Time is running out.... History is barreling to it's conclusion.

Now judgement has come to the pulpits, next it will hit the pews. I'm already cleaning my house, have been for some time now. One thing I do know... if your preacher is telling you we are about to enter into the most supernaturally powerful time christianity has ever seen, or some such jargon... you better run like the wind! Get out of there! No signs will save you, only FAITH in the Word!

You are about to see God seemingly remove His hand of protection and presence off of us. You will cry out and not see Him, this is the season we are entering. My prayer is that even when I don't see Him or feel Him, that I will have enough Faith to still believe. This is the test.... God is sifting the hearts and souls of men. I know He's real, He doesn't have to give me a thing, I have His Word! Heck, that's all I need! Whatever comes, I'm determined to finish my race! Please say an honest prayer and ask God to reveal the hearts of the men you look to to lead you and teach you, the ones your hearts are so open towards to recieve from, and also to reveal any wrong doctrine you may have recieved, then listen to what God tells you. It's okay to mess up and get off the path, we all do it. What's not okay is knowing the truth, and then denying it to keep following a lie. Yes, it is hard to admit you were wrong, but it's something you just have to go through, repent and also forgive yourself. I still work on that one lol

For those who defect out, there are many great resources and groups out here for you, to help you through the pain and get you through to the other side.

Nothing will stop what's to come... those who think they can fight it are very blind and have been lied to, and are lying to others.

insider for 45 + years, Glenpool, ok (12/26/2007 6:56:06 AM)

#11 Thank you that was nice and good. It is nice to see someone positive and uplifting to say for a change. I agree with you and wish I could have said it kind of like you said it.

Graydon Powell, (12/26/2007 7:35:16 AM)

I am an ORU alum fro m the 70s. The nonsence that surfaced last fall has been there for years. This needs to be treated as white-collar crime, with some serious jail time for Richard and Lindsay and not a few of the Regents. They looted the place while faculty and staff prayed that the payroll would be met. Its time for a grand jury to be convened.

Jack Evans, (12/26/2007 7:47:17 AM)

About forgiveness:

First comes an admission of wrong-doing, a request for forgiveness, and a pledge to change things done wrongly.

That;s how God forgives us of our sin, and how we should forgive those in this ORU fiasco.

Forgiveness doesn't come when someone is denying they’ve:

--- treated ORU funds as their own personal piggy bank until the endowment is all but gone

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--- fostered a climate of fear on campus

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---tapped the personal piggy bank to support an imperial, royal life-style

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-- ran eleven years of lavish, deficit spending, driving ORU 52 million in debt.

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FIRST, comes admission of wrong-doing, then, yes, forgiveness – and correction action--- are due.

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CORRECTIVE ACTION:

---OR and RR give up their veto power over ORU

--Clean house of those who helped RR use ORU funds as their own personal piggy bank.

--- Drop the COVER-UP and begin

the CLEAN-UP

Rhett Brooks, Tulsa (12/26/2007 8:12:33 AM)

From the story above: "Since then, hardly a week has passed without major news stemming from the controversy." Please - enough patting yourself on the back already. The public will be the judge of what a "major story" is, not a couple of liberal, hack reporters at The Tulsa World. And the public has spoken: "Move on." They realize that ORU is taking the steps needed to keep the school strong, why is the message taking so long to sink in at The World? The only thing that has kept this tired "story" afloat on even a local basis is the constant barrage of sensationalistic yellow journalism such as this retread report. Please get over your obvious disappointment that you weren't able to bring ORU to its knees, and find another topic to waste your time on. This one is simply OLD NEWS...

Alan Pike, (12/26/2007 8:15:05 AM)

PARENTS AND STUDENTS-- SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT

Do you really want to bet your future on an institution that may not be around in one, two or three years?

Because

--- it has burned through its endowment, which was heavily used as the Roberts family personal piggy bank.

(It's now been revealed $5 million of it went to buy OR a luxury mansion in Beverly Hills)

-- that Accredition authorities has, in efffect, but on notice and probation-- by scheduling another accreditation review in two years-- instead of the normal ten years between reviews.

-- that is facing multiple lawsuits, the outcome and consequences of which are unknown.

-- that has operated deficits for eleven straight years, partly due to supporting a lavish, royal life-style of the "rich and famous" RR family.

-- that, bottom line, is ruled by the veto power RR holds over the ORU Board of Regents.

(Do you really trust RR that much?)

-- That is not supported by 95% of the alumni -- and for good reason.

About whom an alumni --Graydon Powell -- said in post 13, above

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I am an ORU alum fro m the 70s. The nonsence that surfaced last fall has been there for years. This needs to be treated as white-collar crime, with some serious jail time for Richard and Lindsay and not a few of the Regents. They looted the place while faculty and staff prayed that the payroll would be met. Its time for a grand jury to be convened.

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Are you sure you want to "bet the farm" -- and key years of your lives --- on the train wreck ORU has become?

The way things are going it may not even be around in a year or two.

Any number of scenarios could result in its closure.

(Including RR decision to close it down, as they've closed the City of Hope, the law school and dental school.)

Then what?

IMO, this is something every student and family should be thinking about as the New Year approaches.

M. S., (12/26/2007 8:19:59 AM)

Rhett Brooks -- 15

The story is far from over.

And it will continue as long as there is a

COVER-UP ...instead of CLEAN-UP.

Re-read alumni post 13 above...and you'll get an idea of the more to come.

--maybe a grand jury investigation.

Plus...all those lawsuits are yet to be heard.

This story is far from over.

Keep up the good work, Tulsa World

Hugh, 3rd of Five, Hooville, VA (12/26/2007 8:53:06 AM)

Reads like George is up and at 'em early with this short recap story. Sorry George, can't move on and "change the subject" til we get both a more transparent accounting of the rot at the center/top. And we can't "move on" til we have a major overhaul of the compromised BoRg (e.g., the ORU board of regents) -- beginning with any "prosperity evangelists" who received the fake doctoral candy from RR....

And most especially, before we can "move on," we need either the formal removal or a candid "mia culpa" from GP -- the BoRg chair who thought "God put him there to do whatever Richard Roberts wants." Is that still his stance? If he can't clearly answer that in the negative, then nothing yet has really changed....

Bogan Brown, Ada I.T. (12/26/2007 8:55:03 AM)

The Conchristians have been stealing and covering it up ever since christianity was invented. In fact that is why it was invented. Murdering and steling the Indian Homelands slavery, sexual molestation--you name it and the christians did and do it. The national deficit and the money lenders leeching the money off the people is caused by dthe christians. I wish they wouuld stop being so selfish and help the people and not be leeches.

very interesting, Tulsa (12/26/2007 9:19:34 AM)

2. 12/26/2007 1:45:39 AM, insider for 45 + years, Glenpool, ok

insider - what kind of meds are you on? If you don't like the comments on these forums, maybe you should stop reading them, instead of telling people what to think! I don't EVER want to be like you, not even for a minute!

MJ, Tulsa (12/26/2007 9:27:57 AM)

This day after,the greatest day, in the history of mankind,whether you believe it or not,God became man and dwelt among us,Emanuel.I prefer to concentrate on miracles,and what God has done and is doing in this world today.

Speaking of miracles,this newspaper missed another miracle,at the highth of the ice storm two weeks ago,ORU had electric power,Citi-Plex had power.

No one else,in the area had power,Walmart,VCC,the medical clinic ,the casino,all dark.But there Bright and Shining ORU,and no generators.The students were rejoicing,they took there final exams,in warm buildings,slept in warm dorms,ate in a warm cafeteria.ORU employees went to work in lighted,warm buildings.

TULSA WORLD,you missed a great front page story.

ms cathcart, tulsa (12/26/2007 9:30:54 AM)

Woe unto you who refuse to forgive! Woe unto you who refuse to forgive your leaders, who condemn and gossip!

Woe unto you who judge!

Wo unto you who cast the first stone!

Woe unto you who touch the anointed!

Woe unto you, woe!

Uh-oh !!, (12/26/2007 9:38:32 AM)

...and whoa to the continued financial and power abuse by OR/RR too !!

Enough, Tulsa (12/26/2007 9:49:50 AM)

Enough, please, there are too many people out there who know the truth. Richard and Lindsay will reap what they have sown, and will fade into history. They have God to answer to in the end, so if they are guilty, then they will be judged as such.

I know a man who worked for them for years, washing 8 cars every night for 8 years from 1am until 9am, and who was treated horribly by ORU and the Roberts' when the scandle broke, and guess what? He forgives, because to him, he was serving the Lord.

Were they wrong? You bet, but it is not for us to judge. Let the healing begin and allow these people who truly believe in the vision of ORU to get it back on track so that these kids can get their education and go on to serve others.

Vivian, Tulsa (12/26/2007 9:50:12 AM)

RE:15 Rhett Brooks, "Old News"___

This story is huge and the Roberts family can no longer sweep things under the rug like they have done in the past.