Jeff, Tulsa (12/26/2007 3:32:41 AM)

First !!!

Jesse Duplantis is a true man of God and shouldn't be lumped in with all the ORU mess.

Richard, Lindsay and Oral Roberts need to step away from the University and completly resign.

~sojourner, Adair (12/26/2007 6:49:57 AM)

Something Positive And Uplifting:

Jesus came and died to set the captives free. Even now, scales are beginning to fall from people's eyes, and they are seeing Truth. Though they are, and will be, in sorrow and grief discovering the apostacy they have partaken in, soon that sorrow will become joy, knowing they have escaped the very pits of hell itself! More and more will be delivered and set free from the heresy and lying signs and wonders movement that has invaded the church.. Those who are truly called and chosen are waking up as if from a deep sleep, a nightmare.. They are being set free from the deception and delusion, i.e. witchcraft, that has been allowed to infect their very souls. God is here, and is bringing His children out of the hands of the wicked... the rest of you will follow these men straight into acceptance of the lawless one foretold to rise. But for those who's heart is only towards God, who want nothing more, we will escape. The rest will be chasing the delusion, the signs and wonders.. Time is running out.... History is barreling to it's conclusion.

Now judgement has come to the pulpits, next it will hit the pews. I'm already cleaning my house, have been for some time now. One thing I do know... if your preacher is telling you we are about to enter into the most supernaturally powerful time christianity has ever seen, or some such jargon... you better run like the wind! Get out of there! No signs will save you, only FAITH in the Word!

You are about to see God seemingly remove His hand of protection and presence off of us. You will cry out and not see Him, this is the season we are entering. My prayer is that even when I don't see Him or feel Him, that I will have enough Faith to still believe. This is the test.... God is sifting the hearts and souls of men. I know He's real, He doesn't have to give me a thing, I have His Word! Heck, that's all I need! Whatever comes, I'm determined to finish my race! Please say an honest prayer and ask God to reveal the hearts of the men you look to to lead you and teach you, the ones your hearts are so open towards to recieve from, and also to reveal any wrong doctrine you may have recieved, then listen to what God tells you. It's okay to mess up and get off the path, we all do it. What's not okay is knowing the truth, and then denying it to keep following a lie. Yes, it is hard to admit you were wrong, but it's something you just have to go through, repent and also forgive yourself. I still work on that one lol

For those who defect out, there are many great resources and groups out here for you, to help you through the pain and get you through to the other side.

Nothing will stop what's to come... those who think they can fight it are very blind and have been lied to, and are lying to others.

Elizabeth Conley, Norfolk VA (12/26/2007 8:41:25 AM)

2 Things~

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1. I'm watching this story, and will follow it for some time. There's a great deal to learn from this situation. This article is undoubtedly superfluous in some eyes, but it gives a welcome summary. It's easy for the details to get lost in public memory. Thanx Tulsa World!~

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2. This is the most fascinating web community I've ever witnessed. The faithful posters on this board have bonded in an amazing fashion. It makes me wish I was a Sociologist. Wow!

Elizabeth Conley, Norfolk (12/26/2007 8:42:40 AM)

Bright Blessings to each of you in the New Year!

Elizabeth Conley, Norfolk VA (12/26/2007 8:50:46 AM)

2. 12/26/2007 6:49:57 AM, ~sojourner, Adair

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Outstanding Post!~

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One of the important questions the ORU debacle has answered for me is~

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Does bad doctrine cause serious problems?~

Clearly, the answer is YES!~

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The Word of Faith gibberish was always nonsense to most of us, but many considered it harmless nonsense.

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While not becoming the sort who embrace every controversy, we need to put a halt to heresy. It's time to pay more attention to discerning between disputable matters and those burning issues that can lead people astray.~

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Thanks ORU, Thanks Televangelists, you've lifted the scales from many eyes!

BJC, Tulsa (12/26/2007 10:38:33 AM)

Woe unto you who judge your leaders!Woe unto you who touch those anointed above you! Woe unto you who cast the first stone! Wou unto you who judge! Woe!

Mike, OKC (12/26/2007 10:44:57 AM)

#1 -I agree, Jesse is excellent; he shouldnt be lumped in.

He simply resigned because as he stated he could not have the time to minister and serve responsively on the board any longer with his intense ministry responsibilies.

I commend George Pearsons for setting up the Chairman's council; thank you for your foresight and vision. And thank you Jesse for your years of serive on the board; thanks to all for your faitfulness. Now is the time for action and we are seeing it happen; I believe they are getting the job done and ORU's best days are just ahead. Stop critizing with all of your negativity; go ORU, full speed ahead!

Rev Steve, Tulsa (12/26/2007 11:19:43 AM)

and the Board of Regents of ORU would like to thank all of our partners and friends who have sown into our ministries this year during 2007, the year of fulfillment.I also want to thank those of you in particular who sowed your lucky $77 offering into our ministry in 2007, the year of fulfillment, completion, overflow, and blessing. Remember, you’ve sown into good ground, and you can expect a good harvest of blessings, increase, and favor from the seed that you’ve sown.

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Don’t forget, be sure to sow your $88 offering at the first of the New Year; remember, 8 is the number of new beginnings, and 2008 is the year of new beginnings, favor,

promotion, and blessing.

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Send your final 2007 offering today to seal your favor, fulfillment, completion, overflow,

and blessing for the year 2007; otherwise, you might not get it and your breakthrough might not happen.

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Also, if you send your lucky $88 offering at 8:08am on the first of year, I want to remind you that your setting yourself up and positioning yourself for a *double* impact of blessing, favor, and promotion in the year of new beginnings. Let’s go for the double in 2008! Together we can do it!

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And for those of you who send an offering of at least $888, in combination with your first fruits offering for 2008, you’ll receive our special “New Beginnings” scripture- blessing- ark- of- the- covenant replica with scripture verses you can confess each day as you pray over your promotion and increase in order to seal your New Beginnings Blessings.

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Maybe you’ve been through some things in the past; maybe you’ve been through some tough times. I understand. I’ve been there. I know how you feel. But I want to tell you today, that this upcoming year is the year of New Beginnings, the year of blessing and favor, the year that will begin a new season and a new cycle of promotion and increase for you in your life, your family, your finances, your job, your health, and your relationships.

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And don't forget to send your special Valentine's offering on Feb 14th to secure your blessings with your special someone.

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Don't forget in March, sow your special St Patty's day offering and watch how favor comes upon you and your family.

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Most importantly, sow your extra sacrificial Easter offering in April; this is perhaps one of the greatest offerings you can give during the first half of 2008. Why? Because when you sow into the resurrection you are declaring that you as his chosen child will experience favor, blessing, anointing and empowerment and a resurrection of those things which are needed in your life. A resurrection of family, finance, health, and relationship issues that will bring the anointing, favor, and increase to you and your loved ones.

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So send your final year end offering of $77 today, and don’t forget to send your $888 offering at 8:08am on the 1st of the year, and be blessed as you watch your blessings of favor, increase, and promotion take place in the year of New Beginnings!

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And until then, may you be blessed with the joy and peace of the blessings of the season of the holly days, and may the greetings of the season be yours as you are blessed in abundance. Holli Happy Days!

Karen Anderson, San Francisco (12/26/2007 4:45:22 PM)

Richard and Lindsay Roberts gave in to the intoxicating drug of power. They are human as we all are and are allowed to choice well or poorly. They made the choice to abuse the power - Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Scientologist, Evangelical, Orthodox, Jew, Muslim - they all point to the same tenate of reciprocity - you reap what you sow.

Ernesto Padilla, Juno, Alsaka (12/26/2007 5:01:43 PM)

I am deeply concerned that it has taken so long for people at ORU to do something about the Roberts inexcusable abuse of power.

Patti Roberts (Richard Roberts first wife) wrote a book, Ashes to Gold decades ago after her divorce from Roberts detailing the very misuse of monies and power that have swirled in the papers since October 2007. Why didn't someone listen to Patti Roberts then? It is logical to assume that outside agencies, internal committees should have investigated THEN.

Perhaps ORU's governing board is as much to blame for this abuse of power at the university as the Robert's family.

Accountability is critical when dealing with humans and apparently more so with religious ones, The Roberts behavior has become a superb argument for evolution - survival of the richest.

Natalie Sanchez, Riverside, CA (12/26/2007 5:21:57 PM)

I am grieved by the Roberts total disregard for other people's money. They were fed this prosperity line for most of their adult lives and decided to let you - us support it with our money. Pretty slick.

I wonder if Richard has ever worked side by side a child who is hungry, does not have a food to go home to, dirty clothes, wounded, suicidal, single parents, financially strapped, hopeless.

He and his wife had a nanny for three children??? Are you kidding me - I have been a single mother of 6 - alone raising my kids. Working, helping them, driving them to all their activities, meeting all their physical and emotional needs as best I can.

I think he and his wife's style of living and misappropriation of funds is pathetic. I have heard some say they might actually go to prison - but what could be worse than already having to live with each other?

Ernesto Padilla, Juno, Alsaka (12/26/2007 5:24:19 PM)

Rob of KC, Kansas City (12/26/2007 6:47:48 PM)

I am a grad who is glad to see some reforms coming to ORU. The school is encouraging us to return for Homecoming in February, but I'm concerned that those who come may be in for some high pressure fundraising. This is the time for those who have been away to have a chance to see the school again for ourselves, talk with students and faculty, and see for ourselves if the school is still worthy of support -- but not to be subjected to fundraising armtwisting.

If there are any alum out there who are planning to go or not planning to go, please post and give your thoughts on this, thanks! Rob

NA, (12/26/2007 9:35:26 PM)

Sen. Jim Inhofe enticed Randi Miller to run for mayor & get ORU involved in campaigning for her.

RH, Owasso (12/27/2007 11:49:47 AM)

Good post Sojourner. If you read the Bible you know that God tells us there will be false prophets who will try to turn us from God to worship other gods (money, possessions). In Revelations He tells us He is making His Bride (the church) ready. That means putting her back on track. He provides warnings to us not to believe people who speak of signs and wonders, but to believe HIM. We are not here to only gain wealth and material possessions, we are here to expand God's Kingdom through love and kindness to others. As we are told "pure and undefiled religion is to visit the widows and orphans in their affliction and keep ourselves unblemished from the world". Greed is a terrible thing. It dehumanizes us and moves us further from God.

I wish ORU God's blessings as it moves toward God and away from the greed fest it participated in. God has sent an angel in the Green family to help make another group of His people ready.

To Rob of KC #13, (12/28/2007 2:07:41 PM)

Rob, if you haven't been going to Homecoming at all since graduating, or supporting ORU, don't bother now. The attitude you have about "armtwisting" for donations says a lot, & ORU doesn't need you. If you don't want to give, fine. You don't sound that interested in the place, so ignore it.

Jack Evans, (12/29/2007 3:37:26 AM)

BOR Update:

"GREEN-LIKE" CHANGES

'GREEN-LIKE" Financial package

WITHOUT THE 'UNCERTAINTY' OF Green

What I'm hearing confirms what

"Go, Titans, Go Green Country"

has posted.

The BOR is split, but strongly coming out in favor of a hodge-podge that will be "sold" as "Green-like changes, with a Green-like package of financing, but without the 'unknown' of Green.

--"Unknown" meaning -- he wants a wholesale cleaning of the BOR.

--They do not want that.

This will be "sold", pushed hard, as "reformist" when it is in reality more of the same.

The BOR faction backing this is the "stand-pat" faction which knows they'd be swept out in any meaningful changes.

--They fear any major changes would be seen as an indictment of their previous stewardship as members of the BOR, with possible legal consequence down the line

-- in either existing, or future, lawsuits.

In effect, they're covering their posteriors.

They also represent the thinking of RR, who seems to be hoping for an on-going, non-administrative tv "face of ORU" role under the new regime.

(Which would justify socking ORU with some of his TV expenses.)

There is a belief this can be sold to alumni and donors as a reformist "new day' for ORU

Carl, you've lost your touch, (12/29/2007 11:02:49 AM)

People are ignoring you.

Dandy Don, Independence (1/2/2008 11:34:17 AM)

Wake up folks.....Is itr all about getting financial treats for believing these jokers.......Do something good,and assist at a homeless shelter soemtime. These folk need your help. The Televangelists make all Christians look bad to the World........

fsr42, (1/6/2008 6:42:27 AM)

I really don't see what Word of Faith theology has to do with this. I graduated from Rhema and never heard any teaching that condoned leading by intimidation, cooking the books, or exploitation. The same argument was made by opponents of WOF theology when Jim Bakker fell. It wasn't Kenneth Hagin's fault that Bakker boinked his babysitter and sold hotel rooms he didn't have. It was Bakker's fault. And it was RR's fault that 80% of the faculty voted against him, obviously viewing his leadership as flawed and unethical.