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Tulsan tries to revise 'peep' law
HOUSE BILL 2606
Rep. Pam Peterson:
The Republican’s bill would prohibit the use of “photographic, electronic or video equipment to gaze or look upon any person and capture an image of a private area of the person without the knowledge and consent” of that person. The statute says this would be considered an offense, “regardless of whether the person is in a public or private place.”
By MICK HINTON World Capitol Bureau
Published:
3/13/2008 1:46 AM
Last Modified: 3/13/2008 1:46 AM
OKLAHOMA CITY -- The state House on Thursday will consider a Tulsa legislator's bill that could help rectify a problem with the law that came to light recently when a suspected "Peeping Tom" in a Target store was freed by a court.
The Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals ruled that a charge against a man accused of "situating a camera underneath the skirt of an unsuspecting customer" must be dismissed because it had occurred in a public place.
The appeals court said it was restricted by current Oklahoma law that prohibits such an action only if it occurs "in a place where there is a right to a reasonable expectation of privacy," such as a locker room, dressing room, restroom or a place of residence.
Rep. Pam Peterson, R-Tulsa, said she has been working on a bill since last summer to address this very problem. Her measure, House Bill 2606, would make such an offense a crime, wherever the offense occurred. Peterson said it is a case of catching up the law with current technology, such as the advent of cell phones that take pictures.
Peterson's bill calls for prosecuting the offender for a misdemeanor, with punishment of up to a year in prison and/or a $5,000 fine.
The current "Peeping Tom" statute calls for a felony count with punishment up to five years in prison.
Tulsa County District Attorney Tim Harris said Wednesday the more specific offense should remain a felony.
"People have the expectation
of privacy over their bodies," he said. "If the woman was naked, that is one thing, but it is another thing if a cell phone is taking a picture of her crotch."
He said the court's decision is a "confusing analysis."
"How do I go back to this victim and tell her she has no expectation of privacy to her private parts in a public place?" he asked.
Peterson said her misdemeanor proposal "is a place to start."
Harris said he agrees it is probably a stopgap measure that is a step forward.
The lawmaker said that due to overcrowding problems within the prison system, she is not sure another felony should be put on the books.
"We want to make sure that there is a law that makes this a crime," Peterson said.
In the 2006 case, Riccardo Gino Ferrante, now 34, was accused of shooting pictures from an angle underneath a woman's skirt, without her knowledge, in the open shopping area of a Target store.
The court's summary opinion affirmed by four of five judges said a district court had ruled correctly in dismissing the charge, based on current law, "although the court in interpreting and applying particular statutes may think the Legislature should have made them more comprehensive."
This is precisely what Peterson says her bill will do.
Tulsa community groups that work with women and girls were concerned about the implication of Tuesday's decision.
"We can't believe that measuring decent behavior has become whether it falls within a loophole or technicality of the law," said Barbara Findeiss, executive director of the Child Abuse Network.
Offenders often find dangerous loopholes that stand in the way of common sense, she said.
"The obvious is not so obvious anymore," she said.
Felicia Correia, chief executive officer of the Tulsa YWCA, said the law needs to be changed.
"You would think that in a store, under your skirt, you could expect privacy," Correia said.
The law needs to protect women against the ways technology can be used to hurt them. Not doing so would send a damaging message to the community, she said.
"It will be more and more difficult as technology advances," Correia said.
The associate director of Domestic Violence Intervention Services/Call Rape, said she is confident the law will change and she understood the judges' task when looking at the case.
"They have to look at a lot of distinctions," said Donna Mathews, who is also an attorney.
Legislators have worked quickly in the past on issues involving women and privacy, Mathews said. "I think they will in this case, too," she said.
World staff writer Shannon Muchmore contributed to this story.
Mick Hinton (405) 528-2465
mick.hinton@tulsaworld.com
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Observer
, tulsa (3/13/2008 5:10:29 AM)
Only in Oklahoma...goofy perps and goofy judges
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Anthony Bhal
, Tulsa (3/13/2008 7:25:06 AM)
Observer, I am sad that this guy committed no crime. He should be locked up and seek treatment. However I am proud of the judical system that didn't create law from the bench. This should be a wake up call to our law makers to quit trying to reinvent the wheel and comming up with laws to keep the lobbists who in my opinion "bought", or some may say support you. Take a look at our current laws on the books. Do they make sense today? if not take them down. Are they keeping up with todays tech? Are they falling short today? if so FIX THEM
Your Lobbist will still be there but your public may not.
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E T
, tulsa (3/13/2008 7:33:18 AM)
These judge are idiots and stupid. why wan't that considered sexual harrassment?
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wmcol
, Tulsa (3/13/2008 8:27:54 AM)
What about stairs, escalators, and glass elevators, where one can look up and see under skirts and dresses? Someone looks up and oops, off to jail? What about women getting out of cars and giving crotch shots? Bending over? Wind blowing a dress up? Sitting at a public dining table with their private areas exposed and visible underneath the table from across the room?
The current law, ""in a place where there is a right to a reasonable expectation of privacy," such as a locker room, dressing room, restroom or a place of residence" is quite adequate.
Representative Peterson may as well call for the instituting of shariah law. While her intentions may be admirable, she is venturing into a rarefied atmosphere of absurdity.
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shadeth
, (3/13/2008 10:10:36 AM)
This new law is TOO vague, for example:
"capture an image of a private area of the person"
What is a private area varies by person and culture, what if some Muslim woman who covers up everything considers her face or her ankle a private area and you get a photo of that? Can you be busted for that? That is ludicrous! It should state "under clothing shots of the crotch area or breasts" or something more specific. A private area indeed. That is just too general and I as a photographer object to this kind of sloppy written legislation.
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mrdarrow
, tulsa (3/13/2008 10:17:02 AM)
It's not a stretch to find that women (or men) have a reasonable expectation of privacy underneath their clothes.
The logical twist (if you can call it that) is finding as the Court did, i.e., that wearing clothes does not manifest an intent to keep from view certain body parts.
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Bill Hader
, Jenks (3/13/2008 11:05:11 AM)
ET, Sexual Harassment law is about employer/ employee. At most and a far streach would maybe be a stalking law. But that is really pushing it to the edge.
Someone logical would say yes we expect that clothing would keep us private. However looking at todays world... ie Britney Spears and her famous "shots" and others. Do they really expect priviacy? Should the Camera men be busted? ...
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Curious
, (3/13/2008 11:23:42 AM)
That is a relief! I thought they were trying to outlaw the purchase of Peeps around Easter. Delicious!
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B.F.
, (3/13/2008 11:37:06 AM)
The problem is that we make the language of laws so specific trying to protect us from abuse and we stop using our common sense. The context of the behavior of the victim when the criminal action occurred should be enought to convince the court that there has been a crime, combine that with the atrocious actions of Riccardo Gino Ferrante and the intent of our law has been vilolated.
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wmcol
, Tulsa (3/13/2008 12:44:48 PM)
Doty, sodomite is the word used to describe the abnormal practice of men who have sex with men. Jesus was clear about sex. He said people were made male and female, and that men will cling to their wives(not their male buddy). The only exception made was for eunuchs who were that way by birth or made so afterwards.
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wmcol
, Tulsa (3/13/2008 12:47:05 PM)
Doty, sodomite is the word used to describe the abnormal practice of men who have sex with men. Jesus was clear about sex. He said people were made male and female, and that men will cling to their wives(not their male buddy). The only exception made was for eunuchs who were that way by birth or made so afterwards.
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Brewer of Beer
, Tulsa (3/13/2008 12:53:24 PM)
After seeing at Ms Peterson, I would not looking up her skirt.
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bill dakelski
, tulsa (3/13/2008 1:11:46 PM)
Public is public, if she wants a certain part of her body covered than wear something that covers it. Just because the angle happens to be up doesn't change the fact that she must be wearing somthing revealing. Cameras can be pointed in all different directions and can easily inadvertently capture all sorts of things. Trying to write arcane laws to cover every sort of occurance is impossible and asinine. And is why we have so many taxes.
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wmcol
, Tulsa (3/13/2008 1:27:27 PM)
Does Pam look just a little psychotic to anyone?
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wow
, (3/13/2008 2:07:38 PM)
Wow brewer of beers, nice mastery of the English language! This is exactly why we can't make English the official language of the state; our native speakers can't even practice it properly. As for this situation, what a sad society we have become when we have to write a law that says specifically it is wrong to take pictures of unknowing, innocent women under their skirts. Duh! I hope this young lady has a dad that will dole out a little "rough justice" on this little pervert. If she doesn't, I'm a pretty big ol' boy and would love to volunteer my services.
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wmcol
, Tulsa (3/13/2008 2:19:50 PM)
Shouldn't that be, can't even properly practice it, instead of can't even practice it properly? None of us are perfect.
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little bo peep
, (3/13/2008 2:23:29 PM)
A new peep law? what do they have against those little marshmallow chicks?
Oh- wait- they are talking about another kind of chick- well, who would ever expect privacy under her dress even in a public place? The looney bins on the Okla appeals court must have just gotten "skirt cams" on their shoes for Christmas!
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wmcol
, Tulsa (3/13/2008 3:10:44 PM)
Wow, Hillary is apologizing to African-Americans! What a dirty trick the Clintons are stooping too, again. She singles out blacks as being unable to fend for themselves and in need of her white protection via an apology, trying to make Obama less appealing to whites..
If Hillary owes an apology, she owes it to the American people, which includes blacks. She should have said she apologizes to the American people for her husbands comments about Obama in relation to Jesse Jackson.
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little bo peep
, (3/13/2008 3:11:15 PM)
thank goodness this trial wasn't heard by the "penis pump" judge!
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revenge of wmcol
, (3/13/2008 3:19:40 PM)
wmcol: Guess you have nothing else to do but sit on the computer all day. What else are you doing sitting there, you PERVERT! You spouted off yesterday and you're still spouting off vile today. Go to work or something. Get a life.
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Jane
, Tulsa (3/13/2008 3:22:20 PM)
Post #18...what in the H__L does that have to do with anything?
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wmcol
, Tulsa (3/13/2008 3:47:23 PM)
Jane, I love you too.
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Educate Yourself
, tulsa (3/13/2008 9:16:15 PM)
You can read the motion and the court ruling for yourself by going to the attorney's website oklahomacriminallaw. The attorney has posted the original motion he wrote and the court's ruling.
Stop having knee jery reactions and read the law for yourself. Many people do not understand what they are talking about.
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DL
, SLC (3/14/2008 8:55:25 AM)
What about the fact that the man is 34 and the "woman" is 16! Makes me ashamed to say I'm originally from Oklahoma.
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Most of you Are Idiots
, (3/15/2008 9:00:08 AM)
The judge interpreted the law. the judge did not "let this guy off" his attorney did not "get this guy off" The attorney argued the facts and the law, the state responded, the court ruled the law did not make that activity illegal, the case was appealed to the Supreme Court and they agreed with the lawyer and the judge. This has nothing to do with morals or anybody letting anybody off.
You guys preaching "morals" are always the ones getting caught cheating on your wives with prostitutes or molestating the neighbors dog and stuff like that. Religious Wack Jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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