JOHN WAYNE, EVERYWHERE USA (3/14/2008 12:02:10 PM)

SALLY KERNS FOR GOVERNOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kevin, Claremore (3/14/2008 12:06:01 PM)

Justification of sin is just that and probably most of us have been guilty of it at some point in time in our lives but it doesn't make it right; it's still sin. If anyone is committing homosexual acts, it is sin just as robbing a bank is sin. Rape is a sin. Lying is a sin; no matter how great or small the lie. We can all justify our actions but it doesn't change the fact that sin still exists in the world and that we all commit sin. The bottom line, we all need Jesus and his forgiveness.

Jim, Norman (3/14/2008 12:11:18 PM)

Sally Kern is bold, honorable, pleasing to God and absolutely correct. God bless Sally Kern and I second the nomination for Governor!!!

mom, (3/14/2008 12:11:23 PM)

Sally Kerns for Governor.... OF NEW YORK!

jeff, (3/14/2008 12:16:52 PM)

Is it really any of your business what kind of live style someone else chooses to live as long as they’re not dangerous threat to society? If someone chooses to be gay it is no lesser of a crime than it is for you to be a close minded bible banger.

wouldnt you like to know, Tulsa (3/14/2008 12:22:31 PM)

#2, No we all dont need Jesus & his 'forgiveness'. Some of us arent Christian & dont subscribe to your views on 'sin & forgiveness'. Some of us know we are to hold ourselves accountable & that every action we send out, comes back to us in the end, if we send out good, good returns, if we send out bad, it returns. Some of us believe it returns threefold.
Not everyone needs a myth to make them live a good life.

JM, Tulsa (3/14/2008 12:29:23 PM)

I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that it upsets him when people sin. But, more than that, I believe that if Jesus were on earth today, homosexuals are people that he would spend time with, eat dinner with and minister to. I know that he would show them love. Which, unfortunately is more than I can say for his followers.
The Bible is about the power of love in the face of sin and hatred. I'm sorry for the way Christ's followers have represented him on this earth.

Mark, OKC (3/14/2008 12:31:18 PM)

It's about time that we went back to the word of God. Homosexuality is evil. We should be able to sell our daughters into slavery. Shellfish is an abomination.

Amen.

sorry, (3/14/2008 12:32:42 PM)

sorry, meant 1998

Bubba Lee, (3/14/2008 12:32:49 PM)

I Corinthians 14:34,35 and I Timothy 2:10-12 tell us that women are to NEVER usurp authority over a man and to NEVER be in authority, but to remain in silence. So why are so-called Christians on this board encouraging Sally Kern to run for a political post directly opposite to what the Bible tells her to do? THAT'S CALLED SIN...AND SIN IS SIN!! Instead of running for governor or remaining a representative, she should quite all positions of authority. According to the Good Book, that's man's work! What does the Bible say is woman's work (Titus 2:5): keepers at home, good, and obedient to their husbands. To do otherwise, my friends, is going against the Bible. And that, my friends, IS SIN!!

Georgio, Tulsa (3/14/2008 12:38:03 PM)

oscn's search appears to be crap. I didn't find anything, but I got errors on several different attempts.

K. Probst, (3/14/2008 12:41:47 PM)

You all are brainwashed. Sin is disrespecting God and others and gay-bashing is disrespecting others. Stop being hypocritical and stop listening to homophobic fear-based lies. If one of your ministers told you to do something you KNEW was wrong or illegal would you do it? If you really read Christ's message you would know that the mean-spiritedness you are showing others IS a sin, and the worst kind.

Not Homophobic, Tulsa (3/14/2008 12:47:26 PM)

The Bible also says the smell of a burning bull is pleasing to the Lord, but it sure pisses off my neighbors. Sally Kern should quit spewing hate, and hiding behind religion as justification for her backward views.

ht, (3/14/2008 12:48:38 PM)

our heart goes out to Jesse kern for being dragged into this discussion.
he certaintly has our sympathy with a baptist minister for a father and
a mother who is more that a loose cannon.

Bkt, Tulsa (3/14/2008 12:57:31 PM)

I am a christian and not ashamed but it makes me sick and mad when people try to tell people how to live their lives and quoting the very few scriptures they know. It would be a much better world if we treated EVERYONE with dignity. I don't care if you're gay, straight, celibate, platonic or a prostitute. My dad (rest his soul) use to say 6 months minding your own business 6 months staying out of everybody else's will keep you busy all year long.

nonconfused, (3/14/2008 1:20:07 PM)

New testament ......Men with Men

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
OLD TESTAMENT…KEEPING IN MIND THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS…I AM THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER…I CHANGE NOT…
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination…………………….

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them……………

No question about what the bible says.....

Heterosexual Sin, (3/14/2008 1:22:01 PM)

kerns comments should have been inclusive of all the destructive sexual sins. Heterosexuals seem to think they have one up on gay population.
Just by the sheer numbers, heterosexual sin if far more destructive to society than homosexual sin ever will be.
Our society has been devastated by the "heterosexual sin" of pre-marital sex, abortion (murder), rape, adultry, divorce, prostitution, incest, pornagraphy,sexual abuse,and sexually transmitted diseases.
So while one group is pointing the finger at a very small segment of society-
we are ignoring the results of the horrendous morals of a large part of our crumbling society. Our families are in crisis. And pointing the finger at the gay population will never solve our problems.
We cannot change what we do not acknowledge.

patrick, (3/14/2008 1:39:16 PM)

Since we are going to ignore law and instead place the bible as our rule book for living in America, then in addition to all of our high-minded remarks about homosexuality we should also take immediate action to end legal divorce.

God, jeus, the pope and the holy ghost are all opposed to marriage and consider it an unforgivable sin. Why do we allow our government to sanction a sin as foul as divorce? How dare we spit in God's eye this way!

Stop being so predictably red neck and short sighted and get rid of divorce - and while you are at it birth control of all kinds.

Are heterosexuals that stupid that they think the homosexuals will be the only ones to face god's wrath?

How could you foolish people of god allow divorce to happen?

I guess I understand now how you could be gullible enough to believe that terrorists are going to get you...you people will believe anything....good luck!

patrick, (3/14/2008 1:40:42 PM)

"God, jeus, the pope and the holy ghost are all opposed to marriage and consider it an unforgivable sin."

Make that "God, jeus, the pope and the holy ghost are all opposed to DIVORCE and consider it an unforgivable sin."

Jeff, Boston (3/14/2008 1:42:39 PM)

Praise Jesus that I don't live in such a moronic part of the country. Have fun marrying your siblings.

Scott, Savannah (3/14/2008 1:44:56 PM)

It is so considerate of all of you, to make judgments taking the burden off of God's shoulders. I'm sure Jesus is so overloaded He is as pleased as punch to have you throwing all these stones in his name. When do we get to send them to re-education camps? Then we can send the Jews, Mormons, Catholics, etc. Then we'll be a free nation again. Free from all this we judge sinful.

Karen, Las Vegas (3/14/2008 1:52:44 PM)

The 1989 convictions on the Oklahoma court information site is for another person with the same name. Sally Kern's son would have been 12 years old in 1989 since he is 31 today.

Royce, San Jose (3/14/2008 1:54:17 PM)

It's amazing how some of you think you have the right to judge people based on your own religion, while at the same time defying everything in Jesus' teachings. You guys use the Bible to justify your hatred and call others on their sins. Fred Phelps is hardly an isolated case. This is so sad.

Karen, Las Vegas (3/14/2008 1:55:13 PM)

This just shows how far the gay community will go to put their agenda out their. I'm getting tired of them flaunting their perversion in our faces. Sally Kern is right!

Jeff, Boston (3/14/2008 2:00:18 PM)

@Ranch Hand, Owasso

Point taken.

Generalizations of any kind aren't very helpful.

Nathan, Denver, CO (3/14/2008 2:00:29 PM)

Oklahoma! ha ha ha REALLY? At least you all get in the news somehow. If you support a woman like this, you should all be stoned for the religious hypocrites you all are!

wmcol, Tulsa (3/14/2008 2:00:40 PM)

Supposedly he was in college.

Ranch Hand, Owasso (3/14/2008 2:08:47 PM)

@ Jeff, Boston

Thanks for that, I think that there is too much generalization going on here.

Personally, I feel what an individual (hetero or homo) does in private should be exactly that, PRIVATE.

CC, Vancouver, Canada (3/14/2008 2:16:31 PM)

Before you negate my views because you want to assume I MUST be gay to feel this way, I am female, married to a wonderful man, and I have 3 sons.

It seems to me that far-right Christians are much more dangerous to society and guilty of "infiltrating" positions of power, "brainwashing" young children, and condemning others than the Gay community is.

In this situation, the Gay community is preaching respect, compassion, and understanding for mankind. Christians, on the other hand, seem to be spewing venom and teaching hatred of others, which I find somewhat ironic.

As pointed out by many, contradictions in the bible abound (is it turn the other cheek or an eye for an eye?). Terminology changes over time. We say "wow he sure was smokin'!" meaning he was moving really fast, but taken literally it would mean he was actually on fire or smoldering. If Christians cannot concede that there is much room for interpretation in biblical teachings, then they lose credibility and appear as extreme and illogical as fundamentalist groups of other belief systems (who shall remain nameles) which you so oppose.

Let your God be the judge and follow the instructions in your sacred book - judge not, lest ye be judged.

Peace.

rsc, tulsa (3/14/2008 2:16:33 PM)

jesse, you should know better and if you do not I can provide information to refresh your memory. I do not understand why you defend your mother knowing how you really feel about her. Maybe it's time you come out before someone like me tires of your lies and I out you myself.....

stonewall, freedom (3/14/2008 2:17:18 PM)

New York City!!!!!!!!???????????

Hey, how's the governor doing up there?

CompassionateOK, Stillwater (3/14/2008 2:18:08 PM)

@Sally Kern: The level of hate you have shown toward your gay constituents is sad. I am glad that your son supports you, even though it is obvious there is something going on there. Either way, I don't think people should be bothering him. You on the other hand are quite another story, and you deserve all of the angry emails and the outrage of decent people in this state and others.

@48, jack, tulsa: Hahaha. That was hilarious.

@29 Taking one liners out of the bible and ignoring everything around it is silly, but it becomes wrong when you use those one liners to invade and attack the lives of others. You have no right to pass judgment on me. Stay out of my life, and stop attacking my religion.

Howard, Tulsa (3/14/2008 2:20:11 PM)

It was people like Sally Kerns who made me realize that Christians today don't practice in the slightest the Christianity taught by Jesus. And with that revelation, I cut all my ties to Christian churches. I just knew I'd never be able to hate enough to keep with 'em.

Hannah, (3/14/2008 2:23:37 PM)

What I don't understand is, why does Sally Kern (and why do so many other Christian Republicans) think that homosexuality is all about sex? There are such things as homosexual virgins and celibate homosexuals. And those sorts of homosexuals would be doing nothing wrong, according to the Bible, since homosexual sex is the only thing that it condemns.

And even if a homosexual does have sex, does that really negate what Jesus says in Matthew 22:39? No, it does not. We, as Christians, are called to love our neighbors and our enemies (Matthew 5:44), so I don't see how or why you could justify hatred at all, if you're a Christian.

Christian (oh, the irony!), Tulsa (3/14/2008 2:30:13 PM)

Sally Kern's son should be in public office. Those quotes about same-sex sex and honor are the most politically correct I've ever seen on the subject. Plus, celibacy means no sex scandals! ...as long as he really is celebate.

PS - Just because you never had the courage to act on your homosexual thoughts doesn't make you straight, Jesse. Ya big gay!

JD, (3/14/2008 2:30:31 PM)

For someone representing a district that is VERY familiar with the lasting effects of a terrorist attack, her comments are ridiculous. She has the right to say whatever she wants - as a citizen. As a representative she REPRESENTS our state, not herself.

I hope her career is over. She's careless and embarrassing.

tdb, Bartlesville (3/14/2008 2:35:12 PM)

I have had many homosexual co-workers, friends and acquaintances . Some behave just like anyone else and their sexuality is their own business. THEN there were the ones that made you want to die of embarrassment because their behavior was so over the top. It's that behavior that causes such an uproar in society.

I am a Christian and truly believe that we should love everyone as Christ did. I try hard to follow the theology of "love the sinner; hate the sin" and believe you must develop an honest relationship and be led by the Holy Spirit before approaching the subject of anyone one else's sin. Remember, in God's eyes sin is sin. Gossip, lies, it all fits. But also as a parent I feel I have a responsibility to insulate my children from the over-the-top sexual behavior that is prevelant in our society today - whether it be homosexual or heterosexual.

Ranch Hand, Owasso (3/14/2008 2:37:36 PM)

60. 3/14/2008 2:35:12 PM, tdb, Bartlesville

Exactly.

James, (3/14/2008 2:44:54 PM)

What a hateful person his mother is. Maybe Jesus would forgive her and the various commenters. I won't.

Are We Done Yet?, Tusa (3/14/2008 2:44:58 PM)

I don't believe that this is even an issue. Sally Kern, tho' I think her views are narrow minded, is entitled to her opinion. Even tho' she's a Rep., for the state she doesn't speak for anyone but herself and other narrow minded folk. I can't believe that we are in 2008 and still have to endure this type of mindless fodder. Kern, give it a rest!!! And when you speak, make sure you know: 1. WHAT you are talking about and 2. WHO your audience is. You really did come off sounding like an idiot.

Poor child, with Baptist parents, (3/14/2008 2:48:36 PM)

So much is explained now that Sally Kern is the wife of a Baptist preacher. Holy Moly..no wonder!

Who cares is the kid, Jesse, is gay, straight or from Mars. The point that Sally is the wife of a Baptist explains so much. I was raised in the Baptist church and know first hand of the hypocrisy that runs rampant with those holier than thou types. No smoking, with the deacons smoking on the back porch...no dancing but they twist and whirl, no bigotry and it runs over with that crowd. Nothing against Baptists though, everybody has to be somewhere. Still --lots of light now shed on old Sal’ and her warped point of view.

CIA did it, OKC (3/14/2008 2:48:42 PM)

JD: "For someone representing a district that is VERY familiar with the lasting effects of a terrorist attack,"
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You forget she works for the government, so she has inside knowledge that it wasn't terrorists, but rather the government in a false flag event to get legislation passed immediately afterwards that took away our freedom. Look it up, for starters watch zeitgeist the movie, it's free online.

David, Tulsa (3/14/2008 2:51:02 PM)

As a young gay man living in Oklahoma, Im ashmed to see some of the comments above. I'm not a second hand citizen and I won't be treated like one. I have a 4 year college degree, I attend church and identify with Christanity, Im a hardworker, and I have a loving family that accepts me. I dont know where Sally Kerns and her followers get the idea that gays are horrible people. She is only promoting hatred and needs to be censored.

Steve Rider, Palm Springs (3/14/2008 2:52:42 PM)

Representative Kern has inspired me to create a website in her honor. SallyKern (dot) com

to David in Tulsa, .. (3/14/2008 2:53:58 PM)

David from Tulsa - Good for your family and community! But, censoring someone for saying anti-gay stuff sets a precedent to censor people for saying gay stuff, does it not?

Political Yen/Yang, (3/14/2008 2:54:34 PM)

Looks like Rep. Sally Kern has stirred up some of her own karma and political Yen/Yang, tit for tat, reap what you sew ---upon her own family. By her bigotry she has now unfairly dragged her own son into the controversy. Life lessons are for us all, including you Rep. Sally, now deal with it. We are all accountable, including you who cast the first stone. To bad, too sad, for your son. Go in peace.

SRV, (3/14/2008 2:55:10 PM)

Sam Kinison where are you? LOL Sam would have a field day with this junk...Vote Democrat

Don't go there, Tulsa (3/14/2008 2:58:37 PM)

Don't bother with that website created for Rep Kern.

It's a website that promotes the gay lifestyle and atheism

Hannah, (3/14/2008 3:09:49 PM)

Poster #73: What's so bad about the "gay lifestyle"? For that matter, what is the "gay lifestyle"? Can you name one thing that gays do that straights don't also do?

Daniel, Ottawa Canada (3/14/2008 3:20:40 PM)

Unlike his spiritually lost mother, Jesse Kern seems to be a grounded and intelligent person. Jesus Christ of course never mentioned ONE WORD about homosexuals or homosexuality, a fact some people seem to overlook.

Don’t get swallowed up in hateful speeches by well intentioned but lost souls. Their values are anti-Christ’s teaching. Love is love, no matter who is loving me or loving you.

Lawrence, Tulsa (3/14/2008 3:29:56 PM)

yeah, right. and Senator Craig says he's not gay either. hahaha

Kevin, Tulsa (3/14/2008 3:38:39 PM)

Why has no commented on how the Flying Spagetti Monster feels about the gay terrorists?

SraChavez, Tulsa (3/14/2008 3:38:53 PM)

to: Stevielee026, Owasso

You are right. If, indeed, Ms. Kern's son Jesse is 31 then just a little math will let you know that it is not the same person. However, please refrain from insulting people with developmental delays by calling people 'retards'. It's apparent you can add, but do you not have enough of a vocabulary to be able to make your point with out demeaning a whole group of people who cannot defend themselves.

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (3/14/2008 3:44:36 PM)

Oh, Jesse Kern might be in the closet as far as his sexual orientation was concerned. I denied being a homosexual as far as the general public was concerned before March 12, 1984. That was the date I left Tulsa, Oklahoma and moved to California.
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But, if my parents had been asked if I was gay or homosexual before November 1988, they would have said "No." It was during the first week of that month that they found out I was gay.
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When I was in the US Army down at Ft. Polk, Louisiana, I had gone on sick call because I had a bad case of the flu. The medic at the battalion aid station thought I was just malingering and he set up an appointment for me to go to Mental Health Services. The social worker who did the intake asked me a whole lot of questions which did not even have any connection with having the flu. One of those questions was about having same-gender sexual activity. I answered "No" because it had no connection with why I went on sick call in the first place. The social worker said that there was no reason for me have been sent to his office in the first place since I did have the flu.
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In regard to that court case, the age of the Jesse Kern is not listed.

David, (3/14/2008 3:46:18 PM)

I've worked with homo's for 18yrs in the medical field... and there are A LOT of them in patient care.

Never had a problem with them... they are hard workers, highly skilled, like to get along, and they avoid conflicts.

I just think they make easy targets for religious extremists because they don't fight back.

Maybe those people need to move to Iran where there are no homosexuals.

Tuff, Oklahoma (3/14/2008 3:48:55 PM)

#51
"In this situation, the Gay community is preaching respect, compassion, and understanding for mankind. Christians, on the other hand, seem to be spewing venom and teaching hatred of others, which I find somewhat ironic."

Well said!
For the most part you are correct about the gay community preaching respect, compassion, and understanding. Though there are some extremists getting involved in this from gay and straight people.
"He said the purpose of sex is reproduction, and it is the function of the animal body.
"But we are more than animals, and we can use sex for a tool of deep relationship with another person."
Kern added that what is more important than whether it be a relationship with someone of the same sex, is that there "needs to be honor in any relationship whether it is a straight or gay relationship.""

It really does not matter to me whether the son is gay or straight. THAT IS HIS BUSINESS! But read his comments above and learn from them.
HONOR!

McVicker, Chicago, IL (3/14/2008 3:57:06 PM)

In my own experience, I have found that the ones with an agenda to push are the right-wing Christian fundamentalists. They seem to forget (or ignore) the fact that not everyone in America is a Christian who believes that the bible is the word of God. If one doesn't believe as they do, they are the first to condemn and villify.

Sally Kern did not only offend gays and lesbians, she offended the followers of Islam. Islam is NOT a threat to this nation. And neither are gays and lesbians.

She also clearly stated that not all religions are equal. I would like her to expalin which ones are superior and why.

If her comments were taken out of context, as she claims, let her produce them in their entirety.

She can believe whatever she wants to believe. But as an elected official representing a multi-cultural and ethnically diverse constituency, she has no right whatsoever to say the ignorant things that she did in a public forum. Doing so was an abuse of her platform.

I hope the good people of Oklahoma will see this twisted and stupid woman for what she is and vote her out of office.

If she were truly Christian, she would beg the gays and lesbians and their loved ones to forgive her for the hurt, pain, anger, and confusion she has caused with her hate-filled spew.

Internet sites and blogs are buzzing with comments from people all over the world who find Kern's actions repugnant.

While she claims that she will not apologize to the millions of gay and lesbian people she has insulted, she certainly owes the people of Oklahoma an apology for casting your state in such a negative light internationally. She has not served you well.

She is a disgrace to Oklahoma and to this nation.

Shame on her!

The whole world is watching.

AD, Somewhere over the rainbow (3/14/2008 4:08:46 PM)

My husband was a homophobe when I met him. He changed his tune after I asked him which of the following he'd prefer if our son turned out gay: that our son (an only child) be a successful and happy gay adult or a miserable man pretending to be someone/something that he's not. Any real parent wants their child to grow up to be happy and healthy. We don't have to agree with their decisions (if you so choose to believe that homosexuality is a choice - why anyone would choose to be gay is beyond me) or how or what they do, but their happiness and well being at ANY age should be a parent's number one priority. Maybe all of those screaming about the Bible need to recall that Jesus loved ALL the children and didn't discriminate.

J, Broken Arrow (3/14/2008 4:15:00 PM)

What a lively "discussion".

What's really sad is that I have to list my name as "J" because of fear of physical retribution from so-called Christians to myself, family and property (it's happened before). I'm a Christian myself, but am open-minded (that DOES NOT mean I believe in a free-for-all on morality) but, that I believe in "live an let live". Because I believe in God, I also believe that I am responsible for my OWN actions and that I alone will answer for what I do / have done. I also follow the teachings of Christ and do my best to love my neighbors, gay, straight, transgendered, Muslim, Jewish or otherwise. I've met plenty of Christians who make me lower my head in shame for how they act towards others and say they do so in Jesus' name. You will never win hearts and souls with hatred.

It's obvious this issue will not go away. I am not ashamed to be Christian and follow God, but like to bumper sticker says "SAVE ME FROM HIS FOLLOWERS". Like one person commented, I too am ready to move from this state.

tulsan, tulsa (3/14/2008 4:20:30 PM)

Typical Republican, Kern does not know the enemy. bin Laden is the enemy and has been let to roam and continue to plot. The Taliban are the enemy and they have been given safe haven by the U.S. Did we let Hitler live or the war criminals in Japan or Germany.

Wake up and start facing the facts.

Don't go there, Tulsa (3/14/2008 4:23:48 PM)

74. 3/14/2008 3:09:49 PM, Hannah,
Poster #73: What's so bad about the "gay lifestyle"? For that matter, what is the "gay lifestyle"? Can you name one thing that gays do that straights don't also do?

Of course, the answer(s) are: The majority of "straights" don't have same-gender sex! The ones that do "are not considered straight; they are considered to be "zig zag" people.

They also can not biologically produce offspring with their "life" partners.

Anything else I can enlighten you about?

TonyJazz, Dallas (3/14/2008 4:24:15 PM)

Isn't it obvious that if Ms. Kern said these horrible things about any other ethnic group of people that she would be hounded out of office?

She should resign immediately (and maybe her son could finally 'come out').

It is amazing at how many bigots there are out there... It's even more shameful when they wrap their hatefullness in Christianity...

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (3/14/2008 4:28:04 PM)

According to the licensed and certified mental health professionals whose expertise is in the field of sexual orientation, a closeted homosexual can rightly say, "I am not gay."
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That's because, in spite of folks using "gay" for anyone thought to be homoexual, closeted homosexuals are NOT happy with their sexual orientation.
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If Jesse Kern is exclusively homosexual in his sexual orientation and yet he is in the closet as far as his family and general public is concerned, he can get by with saying "I'm not gay" since he is not happy with his sexual orientation.
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Someone who personally knows Jesse Kern's actual sexual activities, even though he might claim to be chaste, might just decide to out him.
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All J. Kern is saying in regard to his being celibate, literally speaking, is "I am not legally married." Oh, it is quite amusing that he belongs to a non-Christian organization.

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (3/14/2008 4:33:04 PM)

I wish the Tulsa World would require people to post their legal names in these comments sections related to articles. The Tulsa World Editors do not publish Letters to the Editor on the Op-Ed pages with phony, made up names.
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The TW will not publish a letter (snail mail or email type) in the paper unless the person provides a real name and an actual phone number so that they can verify who actually wrote the letter.
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I know about the above because since 1992, I have had several Letters to the Editor published in the Tulsa World.

Hannah, (3/14/2008 4:36:12 PM)

Poster #88: What exactly makes gay sex any less okay than straight sex, beyond the fact that the Bible says it's wrong? Also, what about infertile straight people? They can't biologically reproduce, yet I don't see you saying that it's wrong for them to have sex.

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (3/14/2008 4:36:24 PM)

Oh, there are a lot of out-of-the-homosexual-closet gays who have chosen, on their own, not to have sex.
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Just because a person says he is gay is not reason enough to imagine what kind of sexual activity he prefers.

Thank you Sally, (3/14/2008 4:38:58 PM)

For making sure that people outside of Oklahoma have their views of Oklahomans justified. I try so hard to convince my family (I am a transplant from the northeast) that Oklahomans are NOT a bunch of backwood rednecks and with one opening of your mouth you have set us back. It is 2008....we live amongst homosexuals, bisexuals, every sexual, black white, yellow, brown, red....every color of the rainbow....Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Atheist...pick a religion...do you not think it is time for you to leave the 1800's and join the rest of us?? Nobody has the RIGHT to judge anyone (at least that is how I was brought up...but then again, I am a transplant), except God (and for some of us that might be one of many Gods). Oh, and yes, I was raised Christian but since I had a Jewish dad, I learned about BOTH religions....maybe that helps me not be so IGNORANT of others.

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (3/14/2008 4:43:41 PM)

The Bible's authors do not say same-gender consensual sexual activity in private is wrong. But, it does say that same-gender sexual activity in places where pagan fertility gods are being worshiped is wrong. Such activity is only literally or even figuratively mentioned found in Leviticus 18: 22 and 20:13 and Romans 1:27.
While Romans 1:26 is often assumed to women having sex with each other, the real truth is that Paul considered it to be against a woman's nature to be a heterosexual prostitute and even worse to be one serving a pagan god.
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All of the other Hebrew and Greek language scriptures assumed to be anti-homosexual don't even have any connection with homosexuals in the first place.

jen, tulsa (3/14/2008 4:44:02 PM)

Gays and Islam are not dangerous - intolerance is. It is intolerance that killed people in the Murrah Building - it is intolerance that killed people on 9/11 - it is intolerance that caused the Tulsa Race Riot. Kern is every bit as embarrassing as her son is gracious, but Oklahoma, unfortunately, is really a sheltered harbor for her sort of bile and flagrant misinformation. I stay here in OK. and talk about loving-kindness and compassion, but it is exhausting and it starts to feel futile. In a way, though, I am glad to have the national eye on us - perhaps it will inspire those of us who don't buy into hate to Organize and Push Back.

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (3/14/2008 4:46:43 PM)

I was raised by Christians; but, their being Christian did not make me one. I had to choose Jesus on my own and was not even pressured to do that by anybody.

McVicker, Chicago, IL (3/14/2008 4:50:07 PM)

In my own experience, I have found that the ones with an agenda to push are the right-wing Christian fundamentalists. They seem to forget (or ignore) the fact that not everyone in America is a Christian who believes that the bible is the word of God. If one doesn't believe as they do, they are the first to condemn and villify.

Sally Kern did not only offend gays and lesbians, she offended the followers of Islam. Islam is NOT a threat to this nation. And neither are gays and lesbians.

She also clearly stated that not all religions are equal. I would like her to expalin which ones are superior and why.

If her comments were taken out of context, as she claims, let her produce them in their entirety.

She can believe whatever she wants to believe. But as an elected official representing a multi-cultural and ethnically diverse constituency, she has no right whatsoever to say the ignorant things that she did in a public forum. Doing so was an abuse of her platform.

I hope the good people of Oklahoma will see this twisted and stupid woman for what she is and vote her out of office.

If she were truly Christian, she would beg the gays and lesbians and their loved ones to forgive her for the hurt, pain, anger, and confusion she has caused with her hate-filled spew.

Internet sites and blogs are buzzing with comments from people all over the world who find Kern's actions repugnant.

While she claims that she will not apologize to the millions of gay and lesbian people she has insulted, she certainly owes the people of Oklahoma an apology for casting your state in such a negative light internationally. She has not served you well.

She is a disgrace to Oklahoma and to this nation.

Shame on her!

The whole world is watching.

SALLY KERN FOR GOVERNOR, (3/14/2008 4:51:44 PM)

Rep. Sally Kern for Governor of the great state of Oklahoma.
YEAAAAAAAAA

Hannah, (3/14/2008 4:52:10 PM)

Tulsa Democrat: What exactly was "truthful" at all about what Rep. Kern said? Do you honestly think that homosexuals are just as much of a threat to this country as terrorists are, even though homosexuals just want to live long, happy lives and don't want to (intentionally) hurt anyone at all?

Jack Flanders, Seattle (3/14/2008 5:40:10 PM)

tdb and Ranch Hand, your brand of "tolerance" makes me glad I don't live in your snake-infested hellhole. But then, it's always been Oklahoma's job to make East Texas look civilized. And, so you know, if you met me on the street you'd never know I was gay. I've been to one gay pride parade, and it was more than enough.

But that said, I sure as hell can do without a bunch of so-called "Christians" deciding they, if they try real hard, they just might be able to "love" me while "hating" my "sin." As they turn around and ignore everything else in the Bible that they find inconvenient. Take a look around Oklahoma. See all that creativity?

David in Tulsa, you meant to say "censure," not "censor."

EdK, Tulsa (3/14/2008 5:44:15 PM)

Re #100: And we hope the good people of Illinois not worry so much about trival matters in Oklahoma.

This really is not that big a deal.

lorrie thomas, midwest city (3/14/2008 5:55:41 PM)

sally your not very smart are you know he had to get it from one his mom or dad. have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!!

EdK, Tulsa (3/14/2008 5:55:53 PM)

Re #94: "I try so hard to convince my family (I am a transplant from the northeast) that Oklahomans are NOT a bunch of backwood rednecks and with one opening of your mouth you have set us back. "

What kind of family do you come from that you feel the need to make a justification or apologize for where you live? Talk about narrow-minded. If a legislator's comments have single-handedly lowered Oklahoma's esteem in your family's eyes, then don't bother trying to build it back up; their minds are closed.

No wonder you moved away.

Christian Knot, (3/14/2008 5:56:58 PM)

This is all sounding like Monty Python to me. I've always fancied the idea of living in Oklahomo - but not any more - seeing those filthy straights have invaded the place, infesting it with their dirty filthy ways. UGH! the ilk of it all. All they do is teach their children how to load a gun, shoot their neighbors, rob the bank, spit on colored people and kiss Bush's ass. Oh, and did I mention adultery? how many husbands are really sleeping with their neighbor or best friend's wives (or husbands) when supposedly gone for a drive down the corner store to buy a pack of cigarettes (or probably marijuana from the crack whore cocaine grass dealing addict across the road parading as a born again Christian)... Oh yeah, you born again Peptide Christians are a real laugh. Who needs Monty Python?

Jack Flanders, Seattle (3/14/2008 6:04:58 PM)

EdK in Tulsa, I agree with you. Commenter #94 should quit trying to persuade her family back East that Oklahoma is anything other than what it is: A pack of Bible-flinging rednecks who were put on Earth to make Texas look good.

Don't go there, Owasso (3/14/2008 6:05:32 PM)

Hannah - I am Athiest so don't assume that I believe that it is wrong because the Bible says it's wrong. I don't promote my Atheism but I don't care if people need to "commune" with a supreme being for comfort and guidance.

The following is my opinion. Doesn't mean I hate. The gay lifestyle and HIV killed my brother in 1994. I loved him but did not condone his lifestyle, just like I did not condone his alcoholism.

That gays and lesbians have to constantly lobby the government and the general public to "mainstream" the lifestyle, makes it plain to see that that in all societies, the majority see it as deviant behaviour.

There are many humans that exhibit deviant lifestyles, i.e., murderers, rapists, pedophiles, cannibals, those who find feces and urine erotic, the list goes on and on; many of those are also heterosexual. People who participate in those lifestyles also claim that they were born that way and did not choose to have those feelings. Many pay their taxes, have jobs, etc.

IMO, it is because the "genetic hardwiring is fouled up" and some can be treated and some can't. Each of these lifestyles represent a small segment of the population and each segment were bred by heterosexual parents, married or not, through natural conception or in vitro. Due to the laws of nature, it still took a male and a female to reproduce and perpetuate humanity.

While homosexuality is currently not viewed as extreme as other deviant behaviour, many homosexuals find it difficult to "come out" because they are not accepted by many others. I have never known a heterosexual have to "come out" because it is generally accepted normal behaviour in most socities. Because homosexuals have lobbied very hard for normalcy, many heteros have become more accepting.

U No Hoo, (3/14/2008 6:05:43 PM)

It amazes me to see how the media buys in on the pro-sodomite agenda. Those that don't come to Christ on Gods terms are doomed. The bible says that hell is reserved for the fearful and unbelieving. The lost hell deserving sinner doesn't see his sin as God does. By that I mean that he doesn't see the seriousness of his/her sin. Revelation 21:8 says "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Sodomites are idolators. Now I didn't give you my opinion or interpret the verse in Revelation, I simply typed it. God said it. God doesn't change. Mal. 3:5 God said that if a man lie with another man as he lieth with a woman, it is an abomination for both of them. If you can read these verses, but dont' agree with the word of God then it's not because you hate me, it's because you hate God. And even then that's a form of Gods judgement upon you. Plead with God to grant you repentence. It's your only hope

Fifty Dollar Fine, (3/14/2008 6:23:25 PM)

#120 nutcase - "The bible says that hell is reserved for the fearful and unbelieving."

The more people realize your bible is full of lies and tall tales the more shrill you people get.

Here's a question to the bible bangers around here: Gays and anyone else who doesn't follow your narrow world view are doomed by the bible. A bunch of you are certain to mention it in your posts.

What makes you think people haven't heard this pablum all before, but will somehow magically "come to jebus" upon reading the same old crap over and over?

LOL!

Lolly, (3/14/2008 6:31:17 PM)

33. 3/14/2008 1:40:10 PM, Democrat for Kern, Tulsa
I am sickened by the attacks on Rep. Kern's family.
I am sickened by Mrs Kern's obvious disease of ignorance, hopefully she will get on her knees and ask God for a cure.

Jack Flanders, Seattle (3/14/2008 6:35:31 PM)

#120, I hope you aren't divorced, because if you think the Bible is tough on homos you ought to read what ol' Jesus H. had to say about you.

Mary Sue, (3/14/2008 6:45:59 PM)

Mrs Kern,
God is punishing you for judging others, and God has placed a plague upon your house. You should get on your knees, ask Gods forgiveness, and apologize to to those you have wronged, then you will find peace.

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (3/14/2008 7:12:50 PM)

Absolutely nobody dies of any disease just because they are gay. And not everybody who has contracted HIV will die either. There are folks who will die of natural causes who had been infected with HIV and live a long life because their style of healthful living helped them to live longer.
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My late partner, Ed, who passed away in March 1991, did have HIV in his system; but, that virus had no connection with his death. Apparently, as a child he had contracted PML, a virus which affects the brain, which will not show up as long as the person infected with PML has little or no stress in his life. I did not have any connection with the stress in Ed's life and he had been infected with HIV in 1981 about 3 years before I met him.
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I have NEVER had any sex-related disease and I have never been infected with HIV. But, I have been out of the closet since March 12, 1984.
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There is no more of a homosexual curse than there is a Hamitic Curse. It was not God who put a patriarchal curse on Ham's son, Canaan, it was grandpa Noah himself. In spite of what some ignorant folks believe, none of Canaan's descendent's even went to Africa. They settled in the country initially called "Canaan," which is now called "Israel."

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (3/14/2008 7:18:10 PM)

Revelation 21:8 has no connection with homosexuals in general. An idolater has to worship idols. I don't know of and have never met one openly gay person who worshiped idols.
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The "whoremongers" in that verse is "pornoi, which is the plural of "pornos." A "pornos" is a heterosexual male prostitute, literally speaking.

Josh, (3/14/2008 7:46:19 PM)

it's quite sad to see numerous remarks that support hate, injustice, and inequality. In addition, many comments here lack any real information. Homosexuality is not a choice...open a science book and learn a bit! Sure...maybe in your religion...homosexulaity is a sin...in mine...its not! The gods love me...I love me...and my family loves me...Pass some love...keep your hate...

eutopia, okla. (3/14/2008 7:50:44 PM)

#131
I am an Okie and I love Oklahoma.
If you donnot like Okla.
Why do you stay?????

It's OK, you can't help it, (3/14/2008 8:04:48 PM)

You are correct Josh, it is not a choice, you were born a sexual deviant. (def. Differing from a norm or from the accepted standards of a society)

I don't hate you, I pity you. You can say you pity me too, (you don't hate me now do you?)

Josh, (3/14/2008 8:21:01 PM)

i dont hate...and there is not reason to pity me either...life is good...hard, yes...but good.

Idiots, Chicago (3/14/2008 8:32:10 PM)

If god were alive today, he'd be an atheist.

Athiest, Tulsa (3/14/2008 8:37:42 PM)

If there was a god, he wouldn't live in Chicago.

Sherry Mitchell, Morgantown WV (3/14/2008 8:38:29 PM)

I have read every one of these, all i have to say, this is not a bout sally kern son, it would seem he has far enough to deal with in his life, he should not have to fight his Mother fight, as for #37 Drew Stilwell comments, just what sally kern ment to happen, she is letting you do her dirty work for her, and being the good Southern Baptist that you all seem to be, you have call others you do not even know, Queers & Perverts, what give`s any of you the right to say the thing`s your saying, you all fell she is doing so much for you state, type in zip code 73103 look up Registered child Sex Offenders, then look up sally kern part in letting them run free in your state, it would seem sally kern rather have child sex offenders in your state, sally kern help put them there, as for #23 your dad seem to be a very smart man, it would seem that you Southern Baptist fell you have the right to casted the first stone, may be some day your look up from reading your bible`s and see the wrong sally kern has done and your wrong for not thinking for your selfs.

Comments Patrol, (3/14/2008 8:54:56 PM)

143. 3/14/2008 8:38:29 PM, Sherry Mitchell, Morgantown WV

Geez, Sherry, before you come here to rag on people, check your spelling and your grammar.

As for the Registered sex offenders, they are not tolerated here either. What does Morgantown, WV do with sex offenders who have paid their debt to society?

Come back after you have finished your education.

sherry, (3/14/2008 9:12:44 PM)

Comments Patrol, #145 your right i should have done that. i am sorry for my Mistakes,

1+1=2, tulsa (3/14/2008 9:39:20 PM)

342. 3/14/2008 9:13:33 PM, WR, Tulsa
Tell that to the families that are confronted by this deviant behavior in public. Take Mohawk Park for example. These freaks troll the park looking for anyone who might be willing to join in their perverted sexual needs. Go in one of the Port-a-Johns sometime. You will find that they are completely filled with various things luring people to hook up and have freak sex. Tell this to the guy who was riding his bicycle on the trail at Turkey Mountain when he was confronted by a young naked man asking if he could perform homosexual acts for him. I challenge you to walk the trails sometime and notice the tossed away under garments, bedding and even mattresses. Homosexual activity is deviant conduct; the same as a peeping tom, pedophilia, prostitution, bestiality, etc. and should not be treated as acceptable social behavior. Our laws are not perfect but are the closest thing to preventing complete pandemonium in our society. Life rarely seems fair to anyone but what has happened to sacrifice for the good of the whole? Homos want to live their lifestyle and force it to be acceptable regardless of whom or what it harms or destroys; using excuses like they can’t help that they were born with the desire. The real truth is that, even if, they were born with this abnormal desire they want to change it to be accepted as normal and that is what all this posting is about. They cry haters to anyone who disagrees with their mission. And shame on all of you who have been sucked in to this “everyone has the right to what ever personal choice they make” that is a load of crap. We are moving toward a society of self-centered individuals that care first for themselves and then maybe for someone else. It’s like you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours. Homos don’t bother me so why do I care who else it hurts. But when it’s your kid that gets molested you’ll scream the loudest I’ll promise!

Tulsonian, Tulsa (3/14/2008 9:41:03 PM)

Do a google search for Jesse Kerns and it will give you a link to his metephysic school bio and email address. Of course I am sure he would not like anyone to ask any questions.

Vitriolic spew with anthropologic links, (3/14/2008 9:42:17 PM)

Nothing quite like talk about "gay's: frightens people and brings out such vitriolic spew. Makes you realize Darwin's evolution moves very, very slowly...particularly in Oklahoma. I believe near Oklahoma City is where we discovered the fossils and today's ancestors of the species; SLOPEHEADACUS.

Thanks #151 Canuck!, (3/14/2008 9:57:59 PM)

Thanks #151 for a dose of logic and reality. There was very little reason in Oklahoma to begin with and less every day with the ignorance and hatred all around. Overall the U.S. is in the worst shape in its history and more than half the country is blind to it. You are right, it is not a good place to be living these days. While most blame it on Bush-Cheney, and maybe they deserve much credit for it, but the total American public is to blame for their own ignorance, detachment, intolerance, arrogance and greed. Yet, God bless, an save America, oh, and Canada too.

M. City, Tulsa (3/14/2008 9:59:37 PM)

It's funny how many of you people seem to think that Christians are somehow unique and uniquely small minded in their taking a dim view of homosexual sex. Guess what, so do the Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, etc... So go ahead and move away of the "bible belt." You're gonna be sadly disappointed. I doubt Sally Kern and others are afraid of, or hate homosexuals, it's just that anything that gets feces on your reproductive organs sounds kind of gross to a lot of people. Now obviously that doesn't apply females, I guess you would have to say it's just an aversion to people who spend pointless hours doing repetitive tasks with their fingers, like computer gamers, political bloggers, and Uber-masculine lesbians.

Scary to think...but true, (3/14/2008 10:16:34 PM)

Scary to think we actually live near or stand in the retail store line beside some of these ignorant hate mongers, but there are plenty of them right cheer in Okiehoma. It's basically a poor, uneducated populace, very much like Arkansas, Alabama, Mississippi and Northern Florida panhandle if you've never been here. I'm getting the hee-bee jee-bees just writing it. Scary place to live, Oklahoma.

Somebody PLEASE..., (3/14/2008 10:19:10 PM)

...SEND IN THE CLOWNS!

Brent, (3/14/2008 10:25:42 PM)

18; Why doesn't the gay community stop pushing its views on the rest of society?

Jon, Tulsa (3/14/2008 10:34:19 PM)

Brent #157 why don't you quit pushing your views on society? This isn't a Christian nation, it's far from it. Seriously, think before you post dummy.

Edmond, (3/14/2008 10:37:23 PM)

157. I agree. As long as people either homo or hetro doen't push their believes on me and my family I do not care what goes on in their bedroom; as long as the law is not being broken. Just my two cents.

Gail, Tulsa, Ok (3/14/2008 10:37:25 PM)

It is interesting that Kern's son does not practice Christianity but instead Metaphysics.

Brent, (3/14/2008 10:42:01 PM)

158. How can their be a dialouge with either side if we revert to name calling. My point is I really do not care what you do in your bedroom as long as you do not impose your views on me or my family. When the diversity programs are implemented in our public schools it imposes the homosexual agenda on my family. I have taken a stance to teach my kids that a sin is a sin and I have sin and I am a fallen individual in the sight of God. The only option for you and me is a relationship with Christ; otherwise neither the hetrosexual or the homosexual has hope in the future. My intent is not to be disrespectful to you or to anyone else on this post.

Proud Canadian, Toronto (3/14/2008 10:45:57 PM)

Yes, I agree. If American people wants to become the new country called Christianic Republic of United States. That means they are the state supporter of terrorism against gay and lesbian people!

Attention American people! Wake up! Please do not follow the same path direction like The Islamic Republic State of Iran where they are supporting the terrorism against homosexuality (killing them to be punished under God's law!) Do American people wants to become the Christianic Republic of United States like Iran are doing like that?

Also, I am confused! I thought that Bush has the agenda on U.S. foreign policy in order to promote democracy and freedom around the world, saying that American is the best dream to live with freedom and liberty with the full equal rights among citizens including gay and lesbians. So Bush is a liar or what?

PLEASE RESPECT gay and lesbian people, give them the full rights and protection under the equal of the law and the Constitution of United States! We are all human beings that are enjoying the freedom and liberty! Don't oppress the freedom on gay and lesbian who are striving to enjoy!

Thank god, that I born in Canada and living there all of my life instead going to live in United States. I realize that American dream is all so false (to live in the freedom and liberty) because these religious people are against gay and lesbian people for stupid things that the bible says so or anything. Oh please, I don't believe that the bible is telling the full truth! I have my own reason to argue about this! Thanks!

Proud Canadian!

Lana, Pauls Valley (3/14/2008 10:52:02 PM)

I agree with Proud Canadian. Unfortunately most Oklahomans are hateful bigots. As a native Oklahoman, I know for a fact that it hatred and bigotry is taught, in church and school.

davidtulsa19, Tulsa (3/14/2008 10:58:36 PM)

Oklahoma is full of Hate and RAcism, have you notiice yet???? about gays imigration, Blacks, hispanics...... Oklahoma need to change.

Proud Canadian, Toronto (3/14/2008 11:01:33 PM)

Comment # 165,

Thank you! It is the time for American people to stop promoting the hateful things against gay and lesbian people! American people must accept to follow and abide the equality rights and protection between both groups: be peaceful, respect and share the freedom/liberty between straight people and gay/lesbian people. Love each other! God tells us in the bible! Do love your neighbor!

If American people disagree with the statement from the bible saying "love thy neighbor!' then it proves my argument the bible has too many conflict words! Becoming Church State that return back to the Medival Time will creates the terrible wars! Bad idea..

Lets have the peaceful world: respect, love, support and protect each other to share the freedom/liberty under the equality rights between gay and lesbian people and straight people too.

American people have the choice to make!

Proud Canadian!

Hiendurance, Durham (3/14/2008 11:21:34 PM)

Good research Bubba! It must suck to be associated by geography with all that high minded thinking going on in Tulsa. But she's a politician, what can you expect. I just moved from a state that just had the governor resign over a sex scandal. I'm sort of proud it wasn't a gay one at least.

sam, tulsa (3/14/2008 11:28:47 PM)

TO: Proud Canadian, who cares what the people in Canada think. Just stay up there....

GAYS DO NOT PUSH YOUR LIFESTYLE ON THE OTHERS. KEEP AWAY FROM

OUR SCHOOLS, we do not need your help in advising our children.. .....

The Count, (3/14/2008 11:29:26 PM)

Dearly intelligent,

I present to you the numbers of comments belonging to hate-mongering idiots. It was easy to spot them, as many of them have excessive and inappropriately capitalized letters, misspellings, and excessive or missing punctuation. Personally, I don't blame them; I blame their lineage. And now, in no particular order, the losing numbers:

134 136 137 148 153 157 161 120 106 102 88 73 56 583 41 37 29 6 3 1

Latecomer, (3/14/2008 11:31:25 PM)

Whoops, we have a late entry! Congratulations 169, you are also an uneducated SFB (last 2 are "for brains", you figure out the S).

Matthew W, Wichita Kansas (3/14/2008 11:34:28 PM)

The comment comparing GAYS to TERRORISTS are dispicable. Who are you to JUDGE....? This is AMERICA..... MISS THING! Your Closed minded, Bible thumping...behind DONT BELONG IN GOVERNMENT!! I hope you are REMOVED FROM OFFICE... MRS.HITLER!!!

poster board, (3/14/2008 11:38:15 PM)

To: THE COUNT POSTER- When you wrote your post what did you say? If we cannot spell or use proper commas, period, etc., what is it to you? I for sure can put numbers in order and that is better than you did...................I CAN CAPITALIZE WHEN I CHOOSE. What are you going to do about it???

WHAT IS YOUR LINEAGE? Idiot, is that the answer??????

Proud Canadian, Toronto (3/14/2008 11:42:23 PM)

Comment # 169

I have a right to say it. Your state and the rest of American states must grow up and starts to learn and love each other with both groups: straight people and gay/lesbian people. I respect and love straight people. I respect and love gay and lesbian people too. We are in the freedom countries should promotes the human rights and equality! American people and your state needs to learn how not to hate with each other! If you live in Canada, and you said that some hate things against gay and lesbian people, FYI, you can be charge under hate crimes law that will sentence you at least 10 years in the prison. That does apply to the religious leaders too! You need to go back to Grade 1 and starts to learn it again! Sorry!

What is the matter with you? Are you so angry that Canada is so much better country that have the social and liberty agenda where we have the best human rights protection under the equality that applies gay/lesbian people and straight people, strong economy- no budget deficit, and freedom/liberty to live and share with each other! And American people don't have the same opportunities? Oh poor you!

Oh! The bible says: love thy neighbor, are you telling me that the bible is fake? Can you clarify for me? Thank you!

Proud Canadian!

TO: Latecomer, (3/14/2008 11:45:21 PM)

No guts, huh?.... Say what you mean, idiot.

I have a MBA; what do you have? Nothing..............Education is something worth while, however, Stupid is what YOU were born with.

to: Canadian, (3/14/2008 11:52:07 PM)

I do not want socialized medicine. and many things your country offers. USA is so superior to where you abide.

Why do you and others cry hate. I do not hate. I just do not care to have anyone tell me what to do, especially other countries. You stay in Canada and no one, especially me, will not hate or bother you.

Proud Canadian, Toronto (3/14/2008 11:59:50 PM)

Comment # 176.

Hello! US is into the economic recession while Canada is having a healthy economic situation. Can you tell me about it? That is different topic discussion.

Therefore, I do not cry hate! I am very SAD to see that you are promoting HATE against gay and lesbian people. As a citizen, you are supposed to love, support, respect and share with other citizens who gay/lesbian, straight, bisexual, minorities groups, and many things. Why are you doing it? You are supporting the politician, Sally Kern who is promoting hate! why? What is wrong with you?

Proud Canadian!

Father Hank, (3/15/2008 12:13:37 AM)

There is no such thing as a gay person. Gay people do not exist in this world.

Proud Canadian , Toronto (3/15/2008 12:21:11 AM)

Father Hank,

Are you saying that you want to promote genocide against gay and lesbian people? Be careful, the word: Gay people do not exist in this world. Remember, Hitler said the same thing: Jews people do not exist in this world! And 6 million Jews people were killed in WW2.

So your word is promoting the war crimes against humanity, which it is against the International Law. Watch out what you said!

Since, Father Hank is representing American people, and this country should be listed as state of terrorism against gay and lesbian people.

Thanks! Cheers,

Proud Canadian!

jop, Owasso (3/15/2008 12:24:24 AM)

23. 3/14/2008 12:57:31 PM, Bkt, Tulsa
YOU THINK YOU'RE CHRISTIAN AND THAT'S YOUR OPINION.
But,,what is JESUS' OPINION?
If you DON'T CARE if somebody IS gay, straight, celibate, platonic or a prostitute you're not christian. All of them are going to hell if they don't have the life of Jesus IN THEM. If you really love them you'll point their sin and show them THE WAY (Jesus)then. That's the reason to preach the Gospel. Jesus confronted sinners,,,READ A BIBLE ...dignity? preach the gospel is a commision for EVERY christian but for you is INDIGNITY..

jack, GRAND LAKE (3/15/2008 12:48:00 AM)

I hope that all of you ignorant anti gay people realize this: Your designer clothing and shoes probably were designed by a GAY person. Your home decor was probably designed by a GAY person. Your latest artwork was probably created by a GAY person. Your luxury car was probably designed by a GAY person. So, if you are really anti gay, sell the McMansion, burn the Gucci and Prada, let the Lexus or Mercedes get reposssesed, and move into a 16 X 80 trailer house, get your clothes at walmart, and drive a 77 Camaro, or better yet, a 68 Dodge Charger with a Rebel flag on the roof. So called Christians are the biggest bunch of Hypocritical FLAKES. They are worse than a used car salesman. Everything they say is complete BULL.

Sad Democrat, Sand Springs (3/15/2008 12:53:17 AM)

Why doesn't the gay community stop pushing its views on the rest of society?

Thank you rep. Kern

Tonya, Tulsa (3/15/2008 12:53:35 AM)

#24 Elizabeth...You go girl!! I would love to picket with u!!! Such stupid closed minded people..GOTTA love Oklahoma!!

Latecomer, (3/15/2008 1:39:34 AM)

175. 3/14/2008 11:45:21 PM, TO: Latecomer,
No guts, huh?.... Say what you mean, idiot.

I have a MBA; what do you have? Nothing..............Education is something worth while, however, Stupid is what YOU were born with.

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LOL, an MBA, huh? That would explain a lot - if it were true to begin with. Your English skills are a bit lacking for someone who should have had to waddle their way through a few composition classes, though. I imagine you probably heard someone say they were an "MBA" and have decided that it sounded better than "minimum wage laborer". Anyway, I'm done arguing with you over your lack of intelligence. Maybe you can set up a massive conference call for all of the smart folks to talk about this with your MBA skills! BTW, are your fingers experiencing brief paralysis when you punctuate or something? I'm having trouble figuring out what you're trying to convey with all the ellipsis and multi-question marks.

Calgary,Alberta, CANADA (3/15/2008 2:36:08 AM)

Comment#179 ,Proud Toronto,Canadian

Proud Canadian, I am from Calgary,Alberta. Why did you not mention that Toronto would not exist without Alberta giving them money. Why did you not mention is Tornonto is a crime ridden ghetto. Why did you not explain to your American friends how much we Hate Toronto and their worhtless citizens in Calgary.
Without Calgary having to share its oil revenue money with Toronto . You people would be eating from garbage bins.

CHEERS, CALGARY/Tulsa (3/15/2008 2:55:13 AM)

#187
I am glad you set that wanker from Toronto straight.
I am here in Tulsa from Calgary oil business.
And you are correct,Everyone from Alberta hates those Toronto
wankers and Everyone from Alberta is tired of feeding those
losers. He did forget to mention Alberta is rich. Toronto is Canada's welfare state eating from the pockets of Alberta.

Billsey, (3/15/2008 5:17:06 AM)

Contrary to popular belief, the truth does not change its contents to suit the preferences of the observer. I have known homosexual people. In interpersonal interaction, very few of them outwardly display any psychotic tendencies. I am sure that Joseph Mengele was the same (however you spell his name). I am sure that he could personally interact just as well as most anyone else—all while he was doing horrible damage to untold numbers of people. Just because someone is nice to you does not mean that their practices are not evil and wicked and dreadfully harmful—both to themselves and others. Just because they do not see the truth for what it really is does not mean that it is not the truth. Just because you don't like it does not mean that it is not true. The truth does not change its contents to suit the preferences of the observer. The truth is the truth whether you like it or not. The truth of the matter is that homosexual practices are harmful, evil, wicked, and perverse—no matter how nice the perpetrators seem to be to you.

A Friend, (3/15/2008 7:43:44 AM)

Handwritten sign found on the wall of Mother Teresa`s room:
# People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered:
( For give them anyway )
# If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives: ( be kind anyway. )
# If you are successful, you will win some false friends, and some true enemies: ( be successful anyway. )
# If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you: ( be honest and frank anyway. )
# What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight: ( build anyway. )
# If you find serenity and happiness, others may be jealous: (be happy anyway. )
#The good you do today, people will forget tomorrow: ( do good anyway.)
# Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough: ( give your best anyway.)
# FOR YOU SEE, IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS, IT IS BETWEEN YOU AND GOD. ( IT WAS NEVER BETWEEN YOU AND THEM ANYWAY.)

Reasonable Mann, (3/15/2008 8:28:12 AM)

The truth is poster 189 is a bigot and wouldn't know the truth if it hit him square in face. The truth is poster 190 got it right.

bj, ft.lauderdale (3/15/2008 9:34:53 AM)

Amen to what you stated, JM from Tulsa. How beautifully put. I am quite sure Jesus would be appalled at the things Christians do in his name here on Earth. Very sad! I would love to be a witness when some of these people called my God to minister to his people meet their maker and are held accountable for their actions.......hmmmmmm, I wonder which God will frown on more.....some one who spews hatred and makes people believe God doesn't love them.....or someone who falls in love and has a loving monogomous relationship and a family with a person of the same sex.

Phil, St. Joseph (3/15/2008 10:15:02 AM)

Look up the word Demagogue. Its an old word that hasn't been used since the WW2.
Who else used these political tactics? I think Sally should be removed from office or at the very least censured, unfortunately her piers chose to give her a standing ovation. God must be so embarrassed. Have we learned nothing? I think about Lawrence King, the 15 yr. boy that was shot in the head by a classmate because he was gay, his killer had heard a similar hate rant at his church! God has given homosexuals to every known society and species of animal on the planet. They're here for a purpose. In the year 2050 this planet will have to support over 9 billion people, perhaps God is pruning the tree of life? We are all creatures in his garden.
Let him decide how to do the weeding. Sally Kern is a perfect example an terrorist, using her political position to incite and inflame the prejudices of the public to further her own religious beliefs.

Michelle, OKC (3/15/2008 11:00:35 AM)

Why do both sides have to resort to insults, attacks on each other and name calling when posting comments between both sides of the discussion. That is what is wrong with our society...people have no respect for each other and the views that another person may have. I am a Christian and I do believe that homosexuality is a sin but I believe that you can love the person and respect the person despite different views. I would love from this point forward for each person that post a comment to just try not to make a derogatory comment or statement and just argue your case based on facts!!! It would be quiet refreshing if we as human beings and fellow neighbors could work together to find a solution for both sides. Signed completely frustrated at both sides!!!!!

wake_up, Tulsa (3/15/2008 11:38:44 AM)

The fear, hate, and ignorance displayed in some of the comments here is appalling, but not shocking. Unfortunately, it's all too common. First of all, it's none of your business who he decides to have a relationship with. I'm not gay, nor do I advocate a lifestyle based completely on sexual preference, but I am not the one to pass judgement. Second, none of you are lily white. According to the bible, all sins are equal, so you're just as guilty for your little white lies and coveting your neighbor's belongings as someone who chooses to live a gay lifestyle.

Peter LaBarbera, Chicago, IL (3/15/2008 12:15:55 PM)

How embarrassing for OK's journalistic community that they have allowed themselves to be USED by the state's homosexual activists! Imagine: cross the "gay" lobby's agenda, and pretty soon reporters are quizzing you on your son or daughter's sexuality. Outrageous, and further proof that Kern was right. Celebrating homosexuality is bad for society, and puts kids at greater risk. (Why has the average "coming out" age for youth plummeted? -- because the pro-gay pop culture is celebrating this destructive lifestyle. To listen to a good CWA interview with Kern, go to the website of Americans For Truth (Google it). Only the "gay" movement could mobilize such hatred and intolerance in the name of fighting "discrimination." George Orwell would be proud.

Homer Hickoakie, anywhere in OK (3/15/2008 12:27:29 PM)

Hillarious, in a state where football is king, low iq's, a genetic reality now we get "Senator" Kern a bible thumping looney who's son is into Metaphysics for God.

I think it is good for the humor of us all to have a state still in existence where Barney Fife is everyone.

imrightandurnot, l33t (3/15/2008 1:00:12 PM)

I recently drove thru OK on a cross country trip and found it to be one of the prettiest states I'd ever seen. I planned on returning and spending my tourist dollars there once I could arrange to spend more then a few days. I am straight. I have now decided I would rather visit any other state in the union then to ever return to your backwards state. You should all be ashamed of Ms Kern's words. Perhaps she doesn't remember the domestic terrorist that attacked your fair state so many years ago. I would like to see her justify her comment that homosexuals are a bigger threat then the likes of Tim McVeigh who murdered hundreds and ruined the lives of thousands of people. Ms Kern is the abomination.

Tim Calahan, (3/15/2008 2:11:28 PM)

All I can is, I find the bigoted heterosexual remarks quite amusing. I am proud and thankful I am a gay man. I would not want to be associated with any of the heteorsexual rhetoric displayed in this column. Furthermore, I refuse to believe most people hate us. We live in a world of love not hate, and it is time the American people came to realize this. I have friends who are gay and friends who are straight, and have experienced very little backlash because of who I am. Most people I encounter are intelligent enough to understand we are who we are and accept differences. Why can't we all just get along?

Baber Mouth, Tusla (3/15/2008 2:16:19 PM)

obviously Jesse Kerns has gone to the same organization the de-gayed Ted Haggard. Oh, I'm sorry I meant to say "gave Ted the tools to help to embrace his heterosexual side."

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (3/15/2008 2:18:29 PM)

The real Peter LaBarbera is a homophobic rumor monger. You can read about him on exgaywatch dot com and on boxturtlebulletin dot com.

Jake, Tulsa (3/15/2008 2:22:35 PM)

Wow! I didn't know that the Muslims were gay friendly. What mosque can I go to with my partner? I love you all!

Jack Williams, Seattle (3/15/2008 3:41:14 PM)

Michele (#194) the reason there is such a pitched battle is because so many of the so-called Christians of Oklahoma have decided to sign onto a hate-filled agenda. By no means do all Christians do this, but between the ones who do it and the ones who remain silent about it, your state is controlled by the worst people you have to offer.

Oklahoman and proud of it, OK (3/15/2008 3:55:48 PM)

Toronto Canadian you are a big mouth. Why not say what degree or education you have? I am seventy-five years old and have probably forgot more than you will ever know. Those that constantly put others down are usually only trying to cover up for their own inadequate life.

How do you like it with your fellow Canadians telling you how it really was?

Another thing, I am not in english class. That was too many years ago.

Try to do away with your anger and GET A LIFE.

re: Jack Wms, (3/15/2008 4:02:14 PM)

To: Seattle resident you can keep your comments about Oklahoma and Christians in Washington. Agenda is none of your business. Speaking of agendas, the gay one is so hateful and agressive that we need to curtail it.

We do not want another San Francisco in Oklahoma. We are a proud people and not hillbillies as some of you outsiders think. Education is fine here and we want none of your out of state help.

Give Me A Break, New York (3/15/2008 4:10:20 PM)

Everyone should be allowed to live their life as they choose, as long as they are not hurting anyone. There is no room for hatred and bigotry in this world. Live and let live. Remember "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven." - Luke 6:37

Dan, (3/15/2008 4:37:39 PM)

Guess what people. God is make believe and the bible is a Jewish book of fairy tales. Neither should tell you how to live your life or who to like and dislike. Religion is what's wrong with this country and world, certainly not the gays.
Get real.

Sadie, Houston (3/15/2008 5:13:12 PM)

It's unfortunate that a few people make the entire state of Oklahoma look so backwards to the rest of the country and world. And all of you speaking of sin, many would consider preaching hatred and intolerance a sin.

Jack Williams, Seattle (3/15/2008 5:24:50 PM)

#205, of course you don't want another San Francisco in Oklahoma. You wouldn't know if one of your cities became wealthy, beautiful, and filled with intelligent and creative people. You'd all have to move to Amarillo, I guess. If they'd have you.

I'm glad that you like your home state. I'd rather it be that way, because the alternative might be that you'd want to move to, say, Seattle, which trails San Francisco only slightly in the percentage of households composed of same-sex couples.

I understand that our losing basketball team is about to move there, at least for as long as the owner is required to park it until he can achieve his actual goal of putting it in Las Vegas. Have fun with those taxes; better you than us. But do us a favor: Send us your gay people. They'd be welcome here.

Jack Williams, Seattle (3/15/2008 5:47:23 PM)

Oh, yeah, #205 and the rest of you Okie idiots: Did you know that it was the U.S. government itself, and specifically the Department of the Navy, that was responsible for making San Francisco so gay? They did it by dumping freshly-discharged gay sailors there.

Now, when I lived in a small town in the Midwest, I remember someone saying nasty things about how San Francisco was filled with f*ggots, blah blah blah, just like #205. I turned to the dude and said, "Hey, why do you think that is? Do you think it just might be that they move to places like that because of the way they're treated here?"

I do understand that the heterosexual majority in Oklahoma hates gay people and wants them gone, dead or both. Your state has always been the single most anti-gay state in the country. From an early age, I recall reading story after story about the most brutal crimes committed against homosexuals there, and the refusal of local authorities to lift a finger.

I drove through Eastern Oklahoma about 25 years ago, and it was beautiful. But I knew where I was, and I kept going. I feel sorry for progressive people of any variety who have to live there, and I admire them for sticking it out. That said, if I were to meet a gay person 25 or under there, I'd tell them that Job #1 should be to get the hell out of Oklahoma, sooner the better.

The legislator's comment remind me of a long-ago conversation I had with a guy in a gay bar in Kansas City. He was telling me that his dream was to find a guy and settle down together on a side street in the suburbs and just live their lives.

I told him to move out of Kansas if he was going to do that. These people hate your guts, I told him. It's nothing personal, but most of these despise gay people and they'd just as soon see you dead. I always felt bad about what I told him; it was a depressing conversation and he was taken aback by my vehemence.

Maybe I should interject here that I'm not any sort of flamer. One group of people who knew me kept trying to set me up with women even after I let them know the score. They just didn't want to believe it. The guy I was talking to wasn't someone you'd pick out as gay, either.

But you Okies who consider any hint of homosexuality offensive just don't get it. The issue isn't that people want to dance naked in the streets. It's the daily social lies that get to you, like never referring to your partner as such in casual conversation even when you've been together for 20 years.

It's a long list, and after a while you start to think that maybe you'd like a little more respect. In some parts of the country you can get that respect, but obviously not in hillbilly country.

So, when I hear stuff like Sally Kern's speech, I have a number of reactions. One is, "Oh, yeah, same old Oklahoma. What else can you say about the corrupt home of Oral Roberts University and the gigantic praying hands, anyway?" Another reaction is anger, because, like it or not, there are gay people there and this is America and law-abiding citizens don't deserve this.

And I feel vindication about what I told the guy in Kansas City, but I find no joy in being right about it.

Jack Williams, Seattle (3/15/2008 5:51:26 PM)

* logistical note about the Kansas City story.

Downtown Kansas City is in Missouri, but it's a border city with suburbs in both states. I met the guy in a bar in KCMO but he lived in a suburb on the Kansas side. Gay people are safe in some neighborhoods of Kansas City, Missouri, but if I were back there I would not live on the Kansas side.

Proud Canadian, Toronto (3/15/2008 6:09:47 PM)

Comment# 187

You are in the wrong place to have the discussion because this topic is about gay and lesbian issues! Not about the federalism system in Canada! Do you understand? Thank you!

Proud Canadian!

Proud Canadian, Toronto (3/15/2008 6:14:30 PM)

Comment # 204,
I held Honours BA in Political Science, and MA in Political Science at both universities in Canada. So, I am smarter than you! I know English and French languages! What is about you? I challenge you! If not, then you need to get a life: Respect, Love, Support, Share to these gay and lesbian in the United States to enjoy the freedom and liberty!

if you are not, then you need to send an email to U.S. President, George W. Bush to destroy the Constitution because it states: freedom and liberty! Please study your HISTORY!

Cheers!

Proud Canadian!

Jack Williams, Seattle (3/15/2008 6:47:01 PM)

Proud Canadian, your heart's in the right place, but I'm afraid your understanding of the U.S. constitution is less than comprehensive. The original document never mentions freedom, and the word "liberty" appears once, in the preamble.

In the amendments, of which there are 27, freedom is mentioned once (in the first amendment), and liberty is mentioned twice, in the fifth and fourteenth amendments.

Oddly enough, the word freedom never appears in the Declaration of Independence, and liberty appears there only once. And now that we're on the subject of those documents, I might note that neither document ever declares the U.S. to be a Christian nation.

In fact, in the original constitution, the only time religion is mentioned it is to forbid its use in determining someone's fitness for public office. The Declaration of Independence acknowledges the existence of a "Creator" and asserts that this Creator endowed us with certain inalienable rights, among them being life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Christians have been lying about the relationship of church and state in America. Among their lies is to portray the founders of America as Christians, when in fact they were not. They were Deists, believing in God but not that Jesus Christ was God or savior or that God actively determined individual fates.

The Deists believed that the Bible was not the direct word of God, and many of them considered it barbaric for its violence. They were adamantly opposed to the mixing of church and state, having seen the ill effects of that in Europe.

Of course, your average Okie understands none of this. Your average Okie is an ignorant hillbilly who hates the very principles on which the United States was founded, and is willing to lie, cheat, and steal to uphold his illusions.

Straight, (3/15/2008 7:04:40 PM)

Oh brother......the gays are on a real roll on here. lol

It's like their Andy Warholl 15 minutes of fame. rofl

Mona Lott , NYC (3/15/2008 7:27:17 PM)

Oklahoma can drop off the face of the earth, and the USA would be a better place for it.

Ryan, Johnstown, PA (3/15/2008 8:18:34 PM)

Oklahoma, you can keep Sally Kerns. We have enough bigots and haters in PA. If she really makes your day you should make a pitch to the Westboro Baptist Church to move to Oklahoma. (they're the gay-bashing military funeral protesting devout Christians in Kansas)

Jack Williams, Seattle (3/15/2008 8:29:44 PM)

Straight, when was the last time your existence was compared to a cancerous tumor? Other than by your third wife, that is.

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (3/15/2008 8:48:31 PM)

The members of Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, have been to the Tulsa Metro Area lots of times, most of which were not reported in the local newspapers nor on local TV news.
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A few years back, when an openly gay senior was being graduated from Jenks Senior High School, the commencement was held in the ORU Mabee Center.
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Because of that, Phelps family clan were on the sidewalk on the Wal-Mart side of 81st Street across from ORU and one of them even had a sign which said, "ORU F-A-G UNIVERSITY." They not only held a demonstration at ORU, they held them at Jenks High School and the Jenks Public School Board, too.
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They have even held demonstrations at Charles Page High School in Sand Springs and at a church there where the mother of an openly gay young man attended. The pastor of that church was not even pro-gay.
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The local newsmedia outlets around the country were basically ignoring all of the Phelps clan's demonstrations. And, because of that, Phelps and his gang of homophobic terrorists decided to get public attention by picketing at funerals of service personnel who had been killed in Iraq. Yes, they have signs which say "F-A-G ARMY."

TORONTO LEACHES, Calgary (3/15/2008 8:50:57 PM)

COMMENT#212 TORONTO WELFARE CASE.
PROUD CANADIAN. You tell people on this posts about Canada
and being Canadian. I just wanted the people in the USA know
Toronto is considered the blight of all CANDADA.[A WELFARE CITY SUPPORTED BY ALBERTA] Did you tell the USA citizens'
we in ALBERTA who financially support the rest of CANADA.
We do not enjoy homosexuals to be in ALBERTA
The reason we support TORONTO IS TO KEEP YOU RUMP RANGERS OUT OF THE REST OF CANADA.
PROUD CANADIAN FROM CALGARY.

To: Torontooooooo, (3/15/2008 9:27:51 PM)

Thank you Calagry for your posts to Toronto. I am a seventy five year old female and he keep putting me down. I do have a MBA and he brags about a political degree.

With the likes of this Toronto, who would want to visit Canada. Your shed another light on your country and I apologize Calagry for saying what I did about your country.

Gays and Christians must get along. I have a gay nephew and am honestly worried about him. We would never say angry things concerning him. It just makes me angry that immediately the public start putting down Christians, also.

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (3/15/2008 10:26:28 PM)

There is no such thing as a homosexual lifestyle. There are no militant homosexuals in Oklahoma either.
The Muskogee VA Hospital's Tulsa Out Patient (Medical) Clinic and Mental Health Center does not discriminate against veterans who are openly gay.
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I don't personally know any gay person who has lived in San Francisco and is now living here in Tulsa.
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There is no such thing as homosexual disease. HIV originated with heterosexuals and gays initially contracted HIV from bisexuals who had had sex with women.
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Every AIDS symptomatic disease can be contracted by a person NEVER exposed to the virus called "HIV." It has been proven that HIV has existed in the USA since the 1950s. Former US Surgeon General, Dr. C. Everett Koop wrote in a magazine for Charismatics, "We have always had AIDS." And he added words to the effect of "We just did not know what to call it."

COMMENT #222, CALGARY (3/15/2008 10:29:24 PM)

comment#222
Mam, If you want to visit Canada come to Calgary.
People in Calgary are very nice and like America and Americans.
Alberta has statistically speaking MORE OIL than Saudi Arabia
All the timber country,all the mineral mines. all the wealth of Canada. We also have the FAMOUS CALGARY STAMPEDE
RODEO. Our cowboys compete with the USA at the world finals.

Calgary is like Tulsa was back 30 years ago when Tulsa was the OIL CAPITOL OF THE WESTERN WORLD.
We have to support those welfare cases in Toronto.
You come to see us in Calgary .
WE ARE CANADA!!!!!

THE USA OIL COMPANIES AND CALGARY WORK TOGETHER
There are many Americans in Calgary ,Alberta.
Good luck sweetie and may GOD BLESS THE LOWER 48 STATES OF AMERICA.

TO CALAGRY, (3/15/2008 10:47:42 PM)

My best to you. I feel better since speaking with you. My son and his family are planning a vacation to Canada this summer. Thanks for your wonderful invitation. My daughter is an neurosurgeon and my son a therapist and their families go some where different each year. My grandson keeps wanting my husband and I to tag along. Canada sound like a wonderful place for the tag-a-long. Thanks, I'll remember Calagry not the other place.

Hey #223, get yer facts "straight" hehehe (3/15/2008 10:50:25 PM)

"The first recognised cases of AIDS occurred in the USA in the early 1980s (more about this period can be found on our history page). A number of gay men in New York and California suddenly began to develop rare opportunistic infections and cancers that seemed stubbornly resistant to any treatment. At this time, AIDS did not yet have a name, but it quickly became obvious that all the men were suffering from a common syndrome. "

Brad Bledsoe, Camden (3/15/2008 11:31:06 PM)

Sally needs the lords "forgiveness" just as bad as the "sining" homosexual for judging others. She needs to learn that her bible-thumping ways were a thing of the past and she will find that she will soon be all alone on this subject. As time progresses, people change. You may take this back a couple decades to integration. Although two totally different subjects, your lovely "religious" representatives of state were imagine this against the whole idea....soon they realized it was a battle that could not be won and thereafter gave in. I feel the same will happen on this subject of matter. I am no activist, however I believe in treating all fair and allowing the one person that matters to judge me for the good I have done....not the "wrong" based on southern bible-belt beliefs.

CALGARY, CANADA (3/15/2008 11:56:52 PM)

comment #225
One thing that [person] from Toronto is correct sbout
Canadians do not discriminate against any one because of race,religion or creed. [WE DONT HAVE ANY ISSUES OF THAT SORT IN ALL OF CANADA]
YET
A few years ago Canada almost broke up into different countries
It was a giant issue in Canada.
Calgary works, our people have a strong work ethic
Toronto will not work.
Even today Calgary is 35% short of a work force and those lazy
people in Toronto will not come and get a job and help themselves or their country. Welfare is their proffesion.
That is a Candadian thing!! lol
YOU WILL ENJOY CALGARY.

TJ Long, Orlando (3/16/2008 12:10:49 AM)

Sounds like he has all the right answers. If the kid is celibate because he has feelings for other males, that makes him a homosexual, just not a PRACTICING homosexual. Sally Kern is an irresponsible BIGOT. She is condoning hatred and discrimination based on her narrow views and opinions. He book is not LAW, it is OPINION. Her words are dangerous because they incite violence against gay people. She is an accomplice to attacks and murder, which she should be fearful as a "sin", as she believes. If she is right about hell, she will be meeting there after death for spreading hate and violence against other human beings.

TORONTO, CALGARY (3/16/2008 12:43:12 AM)

COMMENT #213
PROUD CANADIAN FROM THE WELFARE CITY OF TORONTO
Did you explain to the lady in Tulsa the French language
You French Canadians speak is NOT PARISIAN FRENCH.
But that stupid Candian French you Lazy Canadian French
invented. No one else speaks that uneducated RADIO FRENCH
anywhere else on the globe except for swamp people
in Louisiana,USA. Your a typical LAZY FRENCH WANKER!!!

Attn: lazy Toronto Canadian, Tulsa, Ok (3/16/2008 1:19:41 AM)

Why correct anyone else when you write so poorly? I will take the Canadian from Calagry over you. You say you have a political degree that is probably what is wrong with you.

Phil, St. Joseph (3/16/2008 1:34:41 AM)

I think about Lawrence King, the 15 yr. boy that was shot in the head by a classmate because he was gay, his killer had heard a similar speech at his church!
She should not hold public office.

What it is, tulsa (3/16/2008 2:14:11 AM)

What about all the other people that has been shot and stabbed

this week in Tulsa just this week. Who should be not in office for that. What about those college girls that were murdered this
week Where is the hate crime legislation for white innocent college girls robbed,raped and murdered by black gang bangers
Where is their justice.

Phil, St Joseph (3/16/2008 2:19:13 AM)

I guess you right, how can we expect justice for anyone when we elect people like Sally.

Sally Kern, tulsa (3/16/2008 2:40:40 AM)

#234
Sally will be a respected state leader long after you are gone
due to AIDS,Colon Cancer or a muiltude of other maladies
you people carry and die of.

Bob, Miami (3/16/2008 7:49:39 AM)

I am not sure the voters in state of Oklahoma appreciate the ignorant comments made by an elected official. These hurtful mean comments make Oklahoma look like a small minded bible thumping ignorant state. Gays and lesbians have families, pay taxes, have jobs, and are part of the community, not a sub culture of perverted sex zombies. She needs to get out of her close minded little world and travel to better understand that her bible values are hers. As an American she has the right to say anything, but she should use her largest sex organ (the brain) to think about her comments before she opens her pie hole.

Wim, Leuven, Belgium, Europe (3/16/2008 7:56:04 AM)

What is it with you Americans?...Bunch of fascists

Kevin, USA (3/16/2008 8:03:35 AM)

Homophobic comments and radical christians... Got to love HICKSVILLE.... I mean OklaHOMA! Love is not wrong. Look at all the unwed straight christian mothers, divorced christian straight men and women..... I think a lot of criminals find christ during thier sentence too.... great minds think alike! Look at ourselves before we judge others! Yes Kerns for Governor, just so we can impeach her lilly white tush.

friends Please, (3/16/2008 8:04:47 AM)

Please let`s all stop making out that people that die from cancers was gay. my self and so many others have lost a love one to cancer Mother`s father, all has so much hate and hopping people you have never ment will die such a death. it seems all think that only gay men are dieing from aids, and onces again people fell they have the right to piont their finger`s lay blame. live and let live #190 i live by it.

tolerance, Everywhere, (3/16/2008 10:08:59 AM)

No teaching of the bible should ever be taken so literally, you all need to find the tolerance in your life. Unless of course you plan to be judged as well. Get over yourselves. Leave homosexuality out of politics. Geesh!

Alisa, Pittsburgh (3/16/2008 10:39:11 AM)

For all those who say that homosexuality is a sin: Nowhere in the Bible or in the ten commandments does it say "Thou shalt not have gay sex." Unless you're going by Leviticus, in which case shaving your beard, eating cows and shrimp, and wearing most t-shirts is also a sin. So... Be consistent or shut up.

Michael Jay, Sacramento (3/16/2008 10:39:21 AM)

For all Christian's concerned. Matthew 6-14-15, For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly father will also forgive you. But if ye forgive not their trespasses, neither will your father forgive your trespasses. If you feel like I'm trespassing on you because of my sexuality that has nothing to do with you, maybe you should follow the good books lesson, Maybe you should let God do the judging of me, I don't stand in judgment of you and your life, when the gentiles were trowing stones at the harlot Jesus stopped them by saying which one of you have such a clean life that you can judge this women! His example to us here is we don't have the right judging each other, he told us to love thy neighbor as we love ourselves, I am your neighbor! you cannot pick and choose out of God word what you can through around! There is a lot of Sin in the World like this War that is killing innocent people that are our neighbors! Jesse Kearn why don't you speak out as a mother that this war is enough already.

Chris Hooker, Columbus, OH (3/16/2008 10:46:19 AM)

I have to admit I'm a sinner too. Last night for dinner...I...I went to seafood place.

LORD FORGIVE ME. I AM A VILE SINNER!

I know in your HOLY WORD in Deuteronomy 14:9-10 you tell me not to eat shrimp. You tell me it is an abomination and that you hate me for it. I know you said you'd send me to hell for eating shrimp. I AM NOT WORTHY! LORD LET ME BURN FOREVER IN THE LAKE OF FIRE!

But, luckily, Jesus has forgiven me...I was a vile, VILE sinner when I ate those Oyster Shooters. It's against his word in Leviticus 11:9-12. And worse, yet....I DIDN'T OFFER A MEAT SACRIFICE AFTER I ATE!!! OH GOD FORGIVE ME!!!

Good Christians, have you ever fallen into the terrible sin of eating seafood? If so, please please contact me, I need support. I don't want to go against God's word. Also, how do you find time to kill lambs every day to pay for your sins? GOD MUST HATE ME BECAUSE I ONLY DO IT TWICE A WEEK!!! There are more references to eating shellfish as a sinful act than homosexuality, so it REALLY must be a terrible thing!

OH GOD FORGIVE ME! I AM SO UNWORTHY OF YOUR GOODNESS! PRAISE YOU FATHER!

Withheld, Withheld (3/16/2008 10:51:43 AM)

I can't believe how sick you people are to be so hateful. The only sexuality that should be your business is your own. There is nothing wrong with gay people. They are born gay...it is not a choice! Besides, especially because of haters like you, no one would want to be gay...it is not a choice, it is biological. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Foso, atlanta (3/16/2008 11:21:26 AM)

If being Gay is sin based on the bible, then we all need to follow every woord....

God Hates Shrimp
Shrimp, crab, lobster, clams, mussels, all these are an abomination before the Lord, just as gays are an abomination. Why stop at protesting gay marriage? Bring all of God's law unto the heathens and the sodomites. We call upon all Christians to join the crusade against Long John Silver's and Red Lobster. Yea, even Popeye's shall be cleansed. The name of Bubba shall be anathema. We must stop the unbelievers from destroying the sanctity of our restaurants.

Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.

Jessica, Apache (3/16/2008 11:25:43 AM)

Sally for Govenor, then Sally for President of the USA, then we might get some relief from the Liberal Homosexual rats who have infiltrated most news outlets in this nation

Gregg Mayfield, Buffalo, NY (3/16/2008 11:32:39 AM)

Sally is the kind of bigoted, ignorant, intolerant Okie that gives all of you inbred, one-toothed, trailer-trash, tobacco-spitting rednecks all a bad name. If Jesus comes back and lands in Oklahoma City, you'll probably run him out of town for having long hair and wearing a dress!

Gregg (again), Buffalo (3/16/2008 11:40:24 AM)

Regarding some elements of God's Laws and how to follow them:

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may ! not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of cloth. May we stone them - or simply burn them together with the farmland and clothing?

Young Gay Nebraskan, Lincoln (3/16/2008 11:47:10 AM)

I listened to what she had to say. Everyone else is too across our nation. Anyone who believes that homosexuality is inherently wrong should be the ones who get's checked because bigotry is what's evil about this conversation. Homophobia is a hazzard to all who live in this world because homophobia is oppressing tolerance and acceptance to all of us who are different, either in perception or in fact. As for her son, good for him for being celibate but I can't decipher his sexual orientation based on accusations or perceptions. More importantly, who cares if he is or is not gay! I would hope his mother, a State Senator (a representative of America), would accept her son as God intended him to be. I know my parents accept me as how God intended me to be....and I'm gay.

Jack Williams, Seattle (3/16/2008 12:22:44 PM)

Okie #221, Wal-Mart has one store in Seattle. Statewide in Washington, they employ 15,000 people. One-fifth of them are on medical welfare (Medicaid) because of Wal-Mart's skimpy health insurance. Boeing employs 75,000 people in Washington State, almost all of them in the Greater Seattle area. None of them are on welfare.

What is it about Oklahoma that makes so many of you so stupid, anyway? Something in the water?

Jack Williams, Seattle (3/16/2008 1:21:54 PM)

Uh, Proud Canadian, there aren't too many francophones down here. Can you try it in Spanish instead?

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (3/16/2008 3:11:47 PM)

I suggest that the posters here check out today's (Sunday) Opinion sections of the Tulsa World.
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There is a Political Cartoon related to Sex Education and one of the posters mentioned Sally Kern. (On Saturday, there was one related to Kern's homophobia.)
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In the back page of the World in print, in the Opinion section, and posted online are two articles, one directly related to Sally Kern and the other to Sex Education in Oklahoma.

TULSA OK., OKC.OK (3/16/2008 3:23:07 PM)

Tulsa to the rest of Okla. is only famous for potholes,TV Preachers ,crime and Homosexuals. The cowboys in OKC
actually run Oklahoma Tulsa is thought by the rest of Oklahoma
as The gay sister/brother in the family. An embarrasment
yet ,what to do. They have to do what they are told by the rest of OKLAHOMA. regardless

BOEING, BENTONVILLE ARK (3/16/2008 3:34:42 PM)

I live in Bentonville ,Ark Home office of Walmarts
In Bentonville we donot have not even one govt subsdized house.
Not one person on welfare [not one] in the city limits of Bentonville . We dont have not even one gang banger
Walmarts is the largest corporation on earth [Larger than EXXON MOBILE] and the execs live in Bentonville,THANKS FOR SHOPPING WALMARTS.You make our city a paradise.
To bad to hear about airbus getting the contract on the tankers

James G, Philadelphia, PA (3/16/2008 3:34:52 PM)

Dear Mrs. Sally Kern,

I just wanted to let you know that I have heard what you said! I am completely in shock, though I shouldn't be, that you went on the tirade that you did about the "homosexual agenda" is ruining our country.

First off, I would like an explanation about what the homosexual agenda is? Being gay myself, I have no agenda other then to be apart of this society without fear of being beaten up or even killed for who I am. I did not choose to be gay. Why would any individual choose to be picked on, punched and ridiculed daily for simply for who they are? I did not choose to be gay, but I will celebrate it! If you would take a moment and please tell me what the agenda is so that I can fully understand the depth of your ignorance on this subject. If you are not gay, then how on earth would you understand how a gay person feels?? How dare you say that gays are infiltrating city councils! Gay people, just like any other groups of people, have every right to run and be elected for any office that they are qualified to be in! Substitute gay for black, Jew or any other group and you can see just how offensive your statements are! I don't know if you watch or catch the news, but I would like to point out two cases where people like you have truly hurt people. Though you did not cause these situations, your words heard by others make them feel that hurting gay people is okay! These two incidents are:

1) In Oxnard, CA, Lawrence King, a 15 year old student was shot to death. His alleged killer was also a student at the school. Lawrence simply asked the other student to be his Valentine. The next day, this child murder pulled a gun and shot Lawrence in front of other students then handed the gun to a teacher! All Lawrence did was be himself and now he is being buried! Do you truly think that this is okay?? I certainly hope not!!

2) In Fort Lauderdale, FL, Simmie Williams Jr was killed Feb. 23, 2008 was shot and killed simply and only because he was gay. The police are investigating the crime as a hate (read killed because he was gay) based on words that witnesses say were exchanged before the shooting! Killed simply because he was gay! Again I ask, do you think that this is okay?

Gay children all over this country are growing up in fear of their lives because of this "abnormal" hatred towards them! These two young men were killed simply because they were gay and for no other reason! I can not for the life of me understand why you decided to say that gays are more detrimental to this country than terrorism! Gay children are killed by terrorists every day simply for being who they are!

Again, though I doubt you will respond, what is the gay agenda? If it includes trying our hardest to stop these senseless acts from occurring, then yes, there is a gay agenda! Gay people do not want to "recruit" children. I, for one, have never once known another gay person to try to get children to come to the gay side! I am in a monogamous relationship with the same person for the past four and half years (longer then many straights have been married). We love each other, just as you and your husband Steve love each other! All we want to do is be able to rent or buy a home together and grow old together with the protection of laws on our side! We are not out here trying to break up your family, so why condemn me and my family??

I am saddened by your lack of understanding for what it truly means to be gay! I am a Christian, attend a Christian church, and in my church we are taught that God loves us for who we are. He will not turn us away because of what we wear, how much we own, or who we love! If all people are made in God's image, then I too, as a gay man, have been made in his image!

I only ask that you take the time out of your busy schedule to respond to me and what I have said! I hope that you realize that it is words that do inspire people to do things! Look at Hitler and what his words were able to compel people to do! Words do hurt, and just because you didn't pull the trigger, you haven't

WHAT?????, TULSA (3/16/2008 3:41:52 PM)

COMMENT #258
WHAT! THAT TERRIBLE [YAWN]
WHATS FOR LUNCH!!!!!!

Jack Williams, Seattle (3/16/2008 3:46:06 PM)

"We dont have not even one gang banger. Walmarts is the largest corporation on earth [Larger than EXXON MOBILE] and the execs live in Bentonville,THANKS FOR SHOPPING WALMARTS."

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That's quite a school system you have in Arkansas.

unpoetaloco, Dallas (3/16/2008 3:50:46 PM)

Wow! Poor thing. His parents did a number on him. It all makes sense: his mother knew he was gay from a very early age, so instead of helping raise the most well adjusted son she could, she brow beat him with the Bible, made him think he was a pervert, he went to a Baptist college, confused, thinking that all gays were perverts, so he started acting like a pervert (just like Larry Craig), and now he's turned his back on the Baptist Church and has become a psychological mess. It's really unfortunate that people like Kern blame they gay children's troubles on homosexuality, when the reality is they could raise well adjusted gay children with dignity and a sense of self worth.

UTOPIA, BENTONVILLE (3/16/2008 4:02:28 PM)

comment #260
the Public School system In Bentonville are as Private schools.
and then the Private schools are the most elite in the Nation
None cares about the rest of ARK,OKLA OR SEATTLE.
Just our Utopia matters.

James G, Philadelphia, PA (3/16/2008 4:19:41 PM)

#259, At least I am at least able to read and write in the English language! What exactly does, "What That Terrible" mean?? What this lady said is horrible and should not be said by those in politics. Mrs. Kern represents all of her constituents, not just those who she agrees with!! Next time you want to talk with me, why don't you not capitalize everything you write and speak in actual English so that way I can better understand what you are saying! Thanks and much love, JG

PHILLY, TULSA (3/16/2008 4:22:49 PM)

#263
Your response qualifies a three yawner!!
YAWN YAWN AND YAWN AGAIN.

Torrance, Asheville (3/16/2008 4:55:22 PM)

State of Oklahoma

v.

KERN JESSE JACOB No. CF-1989-445
(Criminal Felony)

Filed: 03/27/1989
Closed: 06/09/1989

Judge: McDaniel, Edward M.

Parties
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KERN, JESSE JACOB , Defendant
STATE OF OKLAHOMA , Plaintiff

Attorneys
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Attorney Represented Parties

Events
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Event Party Docket Reporter
Tuesday, April 4, 1989 at 15:00 PM
PRELIMINARY HEARING CONFERENCE (PRELIMC)
Tuesday, April 11, 1989 at 15:00 PM
PRELIMINARY HEARING CONFERENCE (PRELIMC)
Tuesday, April 18, 1989 at 15:00 PM
PRELIMINARY HEARING CONFERENCE (PRELIMC)
Friday, June 9, 1989 at 11:00 AM
PRELIMINARY HEARING (PLH)

Counts
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Parties appear only under the counts with which they were charged. For complete sentence information, see the court minute on the docket.
Count # 1.
Count as Filed: , ATT ORAL SODOMY , in violation of 21 O.S. 896
Date Of Offense: 03/27/1989

LIAR LIAR... pant on fire...

jar, Boise (3/16/2008 5:08:41 PM)

Amazing the hate spewing comments and then they talk about the bible. Well I'm gay, proud and happy and guess what...Christian!!! I'll be happy to meet my maker and when I do the best part will be the status of those bigoted, self rightous people standing at the gate explaining their self rightous, hateful lives...miserable and unhappy interesting!!!! BTW when i came out not one of my Christian family hated me they accepted me and didn't judge me...remember....judge not lest you be judged.....

Tom, El Paso (3/16/2008 5:38:05 PM)

Thank you Sally Kern!

The Gay community could not ask for better publicity than your attempts to justify the hatred and bitterness in your heart. It must be terrible trying to deal with a son who's so adamantly against what you so self righteously state you believe.

Jack Williams, Seattle (3/16/2008 5:40:53 PM)

the Public School system In Bentonville are as Private schools.
and then the Private schools are the most elite in the Nation
None cares about the rest of ARK,OKLA OR SEATTLE.
Just our Utopia matters.

=========

How often do they let you out of the attic, anyway?

EDDY, Las Vegas, NV (3/16/2008 5:46:50 PM)

Wow, thank god I don't live in Oklahoma! You guys are SCARY! You self rightuous bible thumpers hate blacks, jews, Islam and gays... I think you inbred hypocrites should secede from 21st century America, and create a Christian taliban state and leave the rest of America alone!

Attn: Torrance, Ashville (3/16/2008 5:52:23 PM)

This name you are speaking or writing from the courts is not Jesse Owens Kern. ALSO, the son of Rep. Kern would have been twelve yrs old when this happened.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. WRONG JESSE OWENS.......HATEFUL POSTER....

con't to: TORRANCE, Ashville (3/16/2008 6:06:32 PM)

I was wrong about the middle name of Sally Kern's son also. He is named: Jesse Aaron Kern. This record was in 1989, Sally Kern's son would have only been twelve years old at that time. Probably not in college at that age. He is thirty-one now.

This is wrong to accuse the wrong man. If he is gay so be it.

Let him be. He did not ask for this. I am supporting Mrs Kern,too.

1 in 4, (3/16/2008 7:12:01 PM)

1 in 4 US teen aged girls have had a seually transmitted disease. According to a study released Tuesday By The Center of Disease control and Prevention.
The First Study to examine the combined national prevalence of common STDs amoug adolescent women in the United States estimates that at least 3.2 million teens aged 14 to 19 are currenty infected. who do we blame this one on. mom and dad

NeighborlyTexan, Denton (3/16/2008 7:37:37 PM)

Why are alot of self described christians so affraid of homosexuals? We're not after you, your children or your spouse, we're not AFTER anyone! Just like straight people trying to pay the bills, braces on our kids teeth, dog's shots, property taxes, car tags, cutting grass, planting tomatoes and onion sets, getting to church as often as possible, working full time while in college again and paying over $3.00 a gallon for gas. IT IS NOT A LIFESTYLE CHOICE BUT WHO I'VE BEEN SINCE BIRTH.

Jack Williams, Seattle (3/16/2008 7:44:11 PM)

I think Mrs. Kern is a bigoted idiot and that she effectively represents her constituents in those regards, but stupidity is not confined to the Okies.

Folks, the nasty idiot Sally Kern's son was 12 years old when this Jesse Jacob Kern was charged with Attempted Oral Sodomy. It's obvious that we're not talking about the same Kern. How hard is that to comprehend? Jesse Kern is not exactly a rare name. Sheesh.

George Bush, (3/16/2008 8:47:58 PM)

Christians are the true terrorists.

A Friend, (3/16/2008 9:03:28 PM)

He who angers you controls you. #190 live and let live

Sally's Friend, Tulsa (3/16/2008 9:20:51 PM)

When the Gay's aren't ou destroying people's reputations here is what they are really up to.

1972 Gay Rights Platform (Gay Legislative Agenda)

Demands:

Federal:

1. Amend all federal Civil Rights Acts, other legislation and government controls to prohibit discrimination in employment, housing, public accommodations and public services.
2. Issuance by the President of an executive order prohibiting the military from excluding for reasons of their sexual orientation, persons who of their own volition desire entrance into the Armed Services; and from issuing less-than-fully-honorable discharges for homosexuality; and the upgrading to fully honorable all such discharges previously issued, with retroactive benefits.
3. Issuance by the President of an executive order prohibiting discrimination in the federal civil service because of sexual orientation, in hiring and promoting; and prohibiting discriminations against homosexuals in security clearances.
4. Elimination of tax inequities victimizing single persons and same-sex couples.
5. Elimination of bars to the entry, immigration and naturalization of homosexual aliens.
6. Federal encouragement and support for sex education courses, prepared and taught by Gay women and men, presenting homosexuality as a valid, healthy preference and lifestyle as a viable alternative to heterosexuality.
7. Appropriate executive orders, regulations and legislation banning the compiling, maintenance and dissemination of information on an individual's sexual preferences, behavior, and social and political activities for dossiers and data banks.
8. Federal funding of aid programs of Gay men's and women's organizations designed to alleviate the problems encountered by Gay women and men which are engendered by an oppressive sexist society.
9. Immediate release of all Gay women and men now incarcerated in detention centers, prisons and mental institutions because of sexual offense charges relating to victimless crimes or sexual orientation; and that adequate compensation be made for the physical and mental duress encountered; and that all existing records relating to the incarceration be immediately expunged.

State:

1. All federal legislation and programs enumerated in Demands 1,6,7,8, and 9 above should be implemented at the State level where applicable.
2. Repeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts involving consenting persons; equalization for homosexuals and heterosexuals for the enforcement of all laws.
3. Repeal all state laws prohibiting solicitation for private voluntary sexual liaisons; and laws prohibiting prostitution, both male and female.
4. Enactment of legislation prohibiting insurance companies and any other state-regulated enterprises from discriminating because of sexual orientation, in insurance and in bonding or any other prerequisite to employment or control of one's personal demesne.
5. Enactment of legislation so that child custody, adoption, visitation rights, foster parenting, and the like shall not be denied because of sexual orientation or marital status.
6. Repeal of all laws prohibiting transvestism and cross dressing.
7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.(What?)
8. Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit; and the extension of legal benefits to all persons who cohabit regardless of sex or numbers.

Why would anyone want to repeal the age of consent laws?

Why indeed!

Voice Of Reason, Vatican City (3/16/2008 9:32:50 PM)

It's the breeders that are ruining America. Why should my jobsite offer onsite daycare? If you're going to bring children into this world, stay at home and raise them. Do not, I repeat, do not drop them off at a daycare provider. It's your child, you raise him/her. Women should be barefoot and pregnant, and making a meal for the family, not running for office. If you can't afford to stay at home and raise you child, you shouldn't of got knocked up. It's your problem, not society's.
And why is it that so many "straight" people are cheating on their spouses? Breeders are to blame for the downfall of America.

Rex, (3/16/2008 9:51:58 PM)

I'm changing my voter registration from Democrat to Republican. I can no longer support a party of lies, hate, and deception, a party of unqualified love for Islamic terrorists, perversion and nut idea known to man.The democrats have become so concerned about what is "politically right" to appease every group of people it makes me want to vomit. God Bless Sally Kern,

Fifty Dollar Fine, (3/16/2008 10:28:34 PM)

#277 Source, please - "1972 Gay Rights Platform"

Did you get that from Stormfront/white nationalist site? They have it there, too.

Do tell, which gay person or group promoted this "platform" in 1972?

Another chirstian conservative liar from Oklahoma, Zzzz.

Fifty Dollar Fine, (3/16/2008 10:30:16 PM)

#279 Rex - "God Bless Sally Kern, "

Glad you switched, if you already weren't Republican to begin with.

I do not want to vote along with reactionaries like you. Stay over there with the Taliban Party where you belong.

Fifty Dollar Fine, (3/16/2008 10:33:50 PM)

For people who claim to hate the "Islamic Terrorists" so much, you two are sure in agreement about the gays.

Interesting.

East Coast , NYC (3/16/2008 11:18:59 PM)

What an ignorant woman! It's sad how people who claim they are Christians take Christian doctrine out of context and use it for their own agendas. We have more important things to address in the US than a few gay couples who want to marry. Let organized religion decide who can marry in their church and let the state decide who can marry. Marriage is only a contract granting property rights to each spouse. How same sex rights to property and insurance can bring the "downfall" of society is ludicrous.

janet, OK CITY (3/17/2008 1:34:43 AM)

ANGRY CALIFORNIA BLACK WOMAN.....Oklahoma and it's represenatives does not concern you who live in California. We can take care of what we want in this state and it is none of your business.

IN FACT WE DO NOT WANT YOU TO EVEN VISIT US. Stay where you are and stay out of our Oklahoma politics. I have never read or known such an ugly, mean spirited human. Two are three times on the TW's threads (board.or whatever you choose to call it) you have shown a kind spirit. That FDF I like, show more of that kind heart.

Fifty Dollar Fine, (3/17/2008 1:42:18 AM)

#284 janet - "We can take care of what we want in this state and it is none of your business. "

As an American Oklahoma politics is very much my business, especially when it comes to discrimination against minorites. There is NOTHING you can do to stop me from posting on this board.

Get it through your head, dumb, ignorant Oklhoma white woman. Go brush your tooth while you're at it.

"Stay where you are and stay out of our Oklahoma politics.

I will go whereever I please in thie free country, and I will say whatever the hell I want about your hick redneck politics. As someone with a transcript from an Oklahoma school, your hatemongering/anti-education/book-burner politics affect me.

Tough luck if you don't like my posts - you can't find a person who cares less.

JAMES T., TULSA, OK (3/17/2008 1:42:54 AM)

My spouse and I are so disappointed with the TULSA WORLD. They are showing a bias toward Christians. They have written their articles putting Mrs. Kern in such a poor light. She is not hateful or angry as the World has portrayed her.

As you can read over half of the Oklahoma population is not for special laws concerning gay agenda. Let the gays live and let live. They however, do not need any special laws. Let us keep sex private either homosexual or hetrosexual. I DO NOT NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU PREFER.........

Fifty Dollar Fine, (3/17/2008 1:44:19 AM)

#284 Janet - "That FDF I like, show more of that kind heart. "

Do not ever dictate to me how I should post. I don't have to post to your approval.

Fifty Dollar Fine, (3/17/2008 1:48:03 AM)

#286 James T - "They have written their articles putting Mrs. Kern in such a poor light"

Ms. Kern's words put her in a poor light.

She's the one who said them.

Where's all that Republican "personal responsibility" for the people who really need it?

"They however, do not need any special laws."

Equal rights are not special laws.

Straights only marriage amendments and being able to deprive people of livlihood and home are "special laws", special laws for heterosexuals.

Special laws for straights need to be abolished, just as we did with special rights for whites.

Janet, (3/17/2008 1:52:17 AM)

FIFTY DOLLAR WINE YOU ARE AN IDIOT. You complain all the time about that lousy transcript from ORU. If you weren't so angry you wouldn't have to always be using a transcript.

I sure am glad you describe yourself so well. What ever you call others usually is a perfect description of yourself.

POST WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY, DUMMY. It must make you happy because every time I pull this thread up you are on it. I give up on you. You can have this ORU BLOG, LAURA JOHNSON....................................

Fifty Dollar Fine, (3/17/2008 1:59:32 AM)

#289 Janet, Student of my posts - "FIFTY DOLLAR WINE YOU ARE AN IDIOT"

Another angry white oklahoma woman having a hissy fit in all caps. sigh.

"What ever you call others usually is a perfect description of yourself."

Nice try. Give it up.

"I give up on you."

Good idea. You should have thought of that 6 posts ago.

You people will NEVER silence me. Get it thorough your 1985-era big hair Aquanet skulls.

Jack Williams, Seattle (3/17/2008 2:41:08 AM)

Sally's Friend, that list looks pretty good, other than a few of the whackjob ideas inserted by the right-wingers to try and make gay people look bad. Specifically:

1. Sex ed classes don't need to be taught by gay people.

2. This isn't "an oppressive sexist society."

3. Equality for gay people is unrelated to the legalization of prostitution.

4. Gay people don't want age of consent laws eliminated, only equalized.

5. There is no connection between homosexuality and polygamy.

Rob, Mounds (3/17/2008 3:19:53 AM)

Don't worry about Gays, they don't breed. Also, there is no God you weak willed bunch of hypocrites.

Fifty Dollar Fine, (3/17/2008 3:45:48 AM)

#1 "SALLY KERNS FOR GOVERNOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

LOL!

Yeah, like Oklahoma knuckledragger/Republican Baptists, who can't even bring themselves to ordain women, are really going to elect a female to govern the state. When pigs fly. Plus we all know she's going to hell for having short hair, which is against the bible. LOL!

Fifty Dollar Fine, (3/17/2008 3:54:26 AM)

Why do crazy christians who have hangups about hair say that men must have short hair and women long hair, yet portray Jesus with long flowing locks and wearing a dress and birkenstocks?

A Friend, (3/17/2008 7:34:48 AM)

Your words is like a Arrow once loss you can never get them back.

think of what your all saying, good or bad right or wrong, not one of us have the right to Judge another , Read #190 learn to live and let live, it is not between you and them anyway, it is between you and your god.
He who Angers you Controls you.

Maggie, Tulsa (3/17/2008 7:44:45 AM)

#'s 1,3,6 and 9 are ignorant and an embarrassment to the human race. Good god, where did you people come from? "sell our daughters into slavery". Why aren't you locked up somewhere? And please don't tell me you are allowed to vote.
#'s 18 and 23 were obviously raised with some sense of intellect and common sense.
Kerns is a complete bafoon for saying what she did, period.

Jon, Tulsa (3/17/2008 8:55:54 AM)

Now, Ms. Kern is rejecting Ellen DeGeneres' offer to appear on her show, saying that it would be like "throwing herself into the lions' den." What a homophobe, what a coward, and what an embarrassment to our state.

Bill HB2211 has passed, (3/17/2008 9:10:25 AM)

Oklahomans for Excellence Inscience Education Pages, Bill HB2211 has passed in the house and is on it`s way to the Oklahoma Senate,
The bill requires public schools to guarantee students the right to express thier Religious viewpoints in a public forum, in class, in home work and in other ways without being penalized. If a student`s religious beliefs were in conflict with scientific theory in response to an exam question, the student`s incorrect response would be deemed satisfactory, according to this bill.
the school would be required to reward the student with a good grade, or be considered in Violation of the law. even simple, factual information such as the age of the earth ( 4.65 Billion years ) would be subject to the student`s belief, and if the student answered 6,000 years based on his or her religious belief, the school would have to credit it as correct. science education becomes absurd under such situation.

PSEUDO SCIENCE, TULSA (3/17/2008 9:47:54 AM)

Comment#289
Impress me!
Can your Pseudo Scientist explain how gravity actually works.
Until then,All Pseudo Science is open for interpetation..

ANGRY, TULSA (3/17/2008 9:55:54 AM)

COMMENT #284

ANGRY CALIFORNIA BLACK WOMAN
According to this statement this person has three justified reasons
to be angry.If she was gay then she would have 4.

mandio, (3/17/2008 10:50:28 AM)

To the GLBT community and its supporters:

I know many of you have been reading the hateful comments and just all out direct threats of violence posted on this message board and become discouraged, disheartened, sad, scared, etc. But to you I say, DO NOT GIVE UP!!! Although it may not seem so just by reading this page, but attitudes and opinions are changing every day and there is hope. But we need to keep the conversation going now more than ever. We cannot let this die without a fight and we need to continue to push both Kern and our own Representatives, Senators, and the Governor for action to be taken. I have seen first hand the violence that such bigotry can fuel. But I’ve also seen how leading by example can change the hearts of many that you may not expect. It is more important to embrace and befriend those who speak against us and we must remain aware that many of their opinions and beliefs are based on falsehoods and generalizations, but we cannot blame them for that as they just don’t know any better. Many of them have probably never come in contact with a gay person (at least not to their knowledge) and have seen only the images that are perpetrated by television and the media. We must continue to celebrate who we are and not allow the ignorance of others dictate what WE KNOW TO BE TRUE. And the truth is that love is love…period. And across the country, things are changing and when my generation takes over, things will change even faster. We are on the verge and we must not forget that…take a look at these posts again and focus on the fact that a very large majority of the hateful comments posted were, in fact, posted by the same handful of people over and over. Do not get the impression that THEIR radical comments ARE NOT THE MAJORITY.

hating idiots, (3/17/2008 11:14:50 AM)

You are all ignorant...get an education before you try to back up Sally Kern.

Kevin, OK CITY (3/17/2008 11:48:15 AM)

APPLAUSE for REP. SALLY KERN-------DO NOT GO ON ELLEN'S SHOW, nooooway............I can't stand that female, Ellen, she looks more like a man. She messed up one of her former lovers and does not need any more attention.

SALLY KEEP TELLING IT LIKE IT IS. Gays if you like the same sex just be quite about it.

JESSE AARON KERN what you say and do is your own business and not the medias. If I was you I would say no more and let the media have nothing new to report. TW get these articles off the internet after a few days.

NYC PARADE, TULSA (3/17/2008 11:53:23 AM)

Just watching the ST PATTYS DAY PARADE [NEW YORK CITY]
NO HOMOS
Does that prove NYC are uneducated hillbillies.
Sally Kern for US SENATE.

JC (not that one...), New York (3/17/2008 12:04:04 PM)

JESSE KERN is Not Gay, and Neither are his Friends:

(Evangelicals & Republicans ALL):

- Rev. Ted Haggard (gay sex & meth use)
- Rev. Paul Barnes (more gay sex)
- Rev. Jim Baker (more gay sex)
- Sen. Larry Craig (R) (picking up multiple men for sex in bathrooms)
- Rep. Mark Foley (R) (having sex with Capital Page Boys)
- Rep Bob Allen (R) (picking up policemen in FL. park bathrooms)
- Sen. Trent Lott (R) (who likes rent-boys)
- Sen. Lindsey Graham (R) (oh, they haven't 'caught' him yet... never mind for now-)
- Glenn Murphy Jr (R), National Chairman of the Young Republicans (fondling other Young Republican Boys)
- Paul Crouch, TBN's Founder (more gay sex)
- Richard Robert's wife (she's not gay, but likes underaged boys)
- Jimmy Swaggart (who loved prostitutes, oh, that's o.k., they were women...)

I could go on and on, but maybe we should just ban evangelicals and Republicans?
---
Oh, and as for 'NASTY, NASTY..."

Sexual Expression between two people is pretty much the same between gay or straight couples (read a SCIENCE book, not another BOOK):

Both frequently (statistically) communicate their sexuality and love with their partner through:
- intercourse,
- oral sexual stimulation
- anal sex and
- mutual manual stimulation.

Perfectly natural, normal and clean (folks from larger states tend to shower first... and then again afterward).

Nothing nasty there, unless your MIND has been PERVERTED by a fair-tale Book.

JC (not that one...), New York (3/17/2008 12:05:35 PM)

FUNDAMENTALIST Christians = FUNDAMENTALIST Muslins = FUNDAMENTALIST Jews. = FUNDAMENTALIST Mormons, etc..
are you seeing a pattern here?

The only REAL threat to America ARE the FUNDAMENTALISTS, not the EDUCATED Members of our Society.

ANYONE who believes a fairy-tale made up to control their tribes is
THE Real Threat to America's Freedom.

AND Let's remember, Maybe the reason Jesus never mentioned Homosexuality is that Words Do Speak Louder...."The One Jesus Loved Most..." Hmmm, now let's think about that...

JC (not that one...), New York (3/17/2008 12:07:04 PM)

WOW!

What a GREAT new Website!! All About Sally Kern's nonsense.

See it yourself at SallyKern (period) com

Congrats on getting the real Word out!

-------

Read a SCIENCE book, not another Book...

JC (not that one...), New York (3/17/2008 12:07:23 PM)

Here's my letter that I sent to Ms. Kern:
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Dear Ms. Kern:

Your educational profile show's you to have a B.A. degree in Sociology, which is defined as (because evidently you were not paying attention):

Sociology (from Latin: socius, "companion"; and the suffix -ology, "the study of", from Greek , lógos, "knowledge") is the scientific study of society, including patterns of social relationships, social interaction, and culture.

And you have had certification as a Teacher, no less!

You are a pathetic example of a human being, let alone an American citizen. And you should certainly not be a lawmaker. You may have a right as a private citizen to hold such bigotry in your heart, but I think your 'god' would be none too happy with the evil toward others that resides in that cold place.

There is no basis in SCIENCE for the ugly, vile and hateful comments that you so willingly shared with others. Homosexuality is nothing other than a SCIENTIFIC anomaly which occurs in a sizable percentage in virtually every species on our planet (please, read a science book).

Bigotry has no place in government and neither do you.

Very truly yours,

JC

Inferiority Complex, (3/17/2008 12:07:34 PM)

#305 just wonder what dose a gay person look like, it would seem you would know this WHY. come on out we will still love you as we do all. were sorry you missed us but we was thier.
#304 read #303 your living prove of this.

JC (not that one...), New York (3/17/2008 12:08:07 PM)

Bigotry and hatred most likely live in all of our hearts and it's our duty as Americans to stand up for and defend the disenfranchised and misunderstood whenever that evil rears its ugly head.

We even stand up for an inbred hillbilly's right to believe a book of fairy-tale nonsense, be it Harry Potter or another Book.

If God is looking down upon us, he or she is on our side of 'right and wrong', not some made up nonsense written by primitives to control their tribes that is has always been and continues to be used to defend and extend hatred.

And, by the way, I think God would be a little more concerned and angry with us for murdering over 700,000 Iraqis (besides killing just shy of 4,000 of our own soldiers and mutilating 100,000 of our own people) for a personal vendetta (Bush Jr's) and for oil. (and I lost my sister on September 11th, so I do fully read and investigate how far out of control our own country has strayed from the ideals of 'freedom and justice'.

Stay away from your relatives so as to improve your state's genetic pool.

Signed,
College Educated, Spiritually Educated & Enlightened

JC (not that one...), New York (3/17/2008 12:10:17 PM)

The REAL Threat to America:

Its' the IMMORAL BAPTIST LIFESTYLE! (now, THAT is a CHOICE)

Read a SCIENCE book, not another Book.

Chief Native American, Reservation (3/17/2008 12:11:07 PM)

Down with the white man. It's white people that are killing America.

JC (not that one...), New York (3/17/2008 12:11:16 PM)

How Asinine this discussion thread is!

Homosexuality is nothing more than a statistical anomaly which occurs in almost EVERY species on the planet! There's NO Mistake, it's just a VARIATION (not a deviation, which would indicate some sort of choice being involved).

The American Psychiatric Association REMOVED it from their list of disorders WAY BACK IN 1973!!! (that's 35 years ago for those that may be slow in math)

And the this week:
The American Psychoanalytic Association (APsaA) has issued a position statement supporting the legal recognition of same-sex civil marriage while opposing discrimination against same-sex couples.

No disease here, except mental issues from reading a Book written by primitives to control their tribes.

Mark, Tu lsa (3/17/2008 3:13:14 PM)

These are just the views of a bunch of red-necks. They have no clue what being "Christ-like" is all about. They are so wrong and they don't even know it. Sad. Get a life.

Chubbs, Tulsa (3/17/2008 3:43:18 PM)

I love you all

H-d0g, (3/17/2008 4:03:47 PM)

Hear dis: the H-dog be representin my peeps from da hood. Yalls be spreadin hate and H-dog bout to raise up and speak truth.

phil magroin, (3/17/2008 4:06:22 PM)

He's not gay? Whoopee! Who cares one way or the other. With bigoted parents like the Kerns how could you not turn out a little light in the loafers and if he did so what. Don't make the mistake of being another's judge.

H-D$G, (3/17/2008 4:12:57 PM)

Time fo me to drop my line on all yalls. Daddy H still in full effect, y'all. Tha bling, tha fame, an' tha ladie$ keep flowin' in, but that ain't what matta. They ain't what kept me in tha game foe so long when so many o' my bruthahs never got promoted, or got hooked on Sharpies, or gave up on tha reeceevin' an' went into tax preparin' or auditin' or some other pitiful stuff. I aint' afraid to go Helveteca on da haters up in here. So bring it!

bob, (3/17/2008 4:15:00 PM)

You are stuuuuuuuupid H-dog. Shut up and go homie!

Paul Carter, Portland (3/17/2008 5:14:32 PM)

Y'all need to focus less on a book written by the Romans and more on what being spiritual really means. I have never met more bigoted and hateful people as those who CLAIM to be Christians. What separates you from those religious nut jobs in the middle east? I think you pound your fist about homosexuals because you can't openly discriminate against anyone else.

Sally Kerns is just another bigot who hides behind religion to justify her ignorant rantings.

Gwen Gibson, Apache (3/17/2008 5:40:05 PM)

Everyone else has a freedom of speech. What happen to this woman's freedom. Are we now suppose to have a fear of speaking out in public. She also has a right not to threatened or harrased. I would vote to let her run for president.

Gwen Gibson, Apache (3/17/2008 5:40:13 PM)

Everyone else has a freedom of speech. What happen to this woman's freedom. Are we now suppose to have a fear of speaking out in public. She also has a right not to threatened or harrased. I would vote to let her run for president.

SENIOR and JUNIOR READER, Tulsa, Ok (3/17/2008 6:27:47 PM)

TULSA WORLD.........Tell me why you have deleted most of the posts that are agreeable to Mrs. Kern? I am disappointed in this newspaper.

I sure miss the old TRIBUNE. It was not as liberal as the TW.

Fifty Dollar Fine, (3/17/2008 6:37:58 PM)

".Tell me why you have deleted most of the posts that are agreeable to Mrs. Kern? I am disappointed in this newspaper."

There were death threats here, towards board contributors - you know, *actual people*. Some are still up in other threads. To my knowledge those were the only things deleted. The rest of your guys' ignorant hate and disgrace is left up for all the world to see, so I don't see why you are whining.

You guys whine about everything.

Fifty Dollar Fine, (3/17/2008 6:39:35 PM)

#264 "I would vote to let her run for president."

Hahaha I'd love to see her run for president with "gays = terrorists"/Islam is threatening as her platform. That would truly be comedy.

Fifty Dollar Fine, (3/17/2008 6:44:09 PM)

#249 JC - "AND Let's remember, Maybe the reason Jesus never mentioned Homosexuality is that Words Do Speak Louder...."The One Jesus Loved Most..." Hmmm, now let's think about that..."

Was that the dude Jesus held in his bosoms?