DebbA, tulsa (4/11/2008 1:46:08 AM)

Taken out of context?
lol, they were pretty obvious. Nice cya attempt, Harry Turncoates.

John, (4/11/2008 2:07:05 AM)

Theft is wrong regardless. However this guys sole opposition to the new immigration law is due solely to his businesses and his economic benefit. He could care less about the State. I have no sympathy for him.

okdemocrat, Tulsa (4/11/2008 3:57:24 AM)

Old news. This has been on the internet for days. Move along. Nothing to see here.

America first, (4/11/2008 7:05:41 AM)

TW wont show the emails but everyone can see then on the net, he is a traitor.
Turncote

Deport all illegals and put Turncotes on trial for treason.

America first, (4/11/2008 7:08:17 AM)

part of email

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Thursday, April 10, 2008
EXCLUSIVE (Pt 3): Candid Emails Reveal Depths of 1804 Repeal Conspiracy; Regarding Dirty Harry’s Notes
"One client is adamant that they want the guest worker -visiting worker -program as an option to raise immediate revenue."

"We need to put our stuff in a bill with a friendly bill author."

"If you need me to write any materials for you to use on this issue, please let me know."

Further, the documents reveal the recent Oklahoma Banker’s Association study, presented as an independent gauge of the alleged harm to the Oklahoma economy, was rather a public relations stunt staged in coordination with the anti-1804 campaign.

The notations in the margins provide much comic relief. For instance, the state chamber of commerce is ripped by the writer, who types “if they had done their job last year we wouldn’t be in this fight. Enough said”. The author then appears to misspell the word ‘looser” in the margin next to chamber boss Dick Rush’s name. Several other hand-written notes regarding the chamber appear all across the strategy document.

E T, tulsa (4/11/2008 7:46:27 AM)

I wouldn't put it past coates to have this staged himself to stir up trouble. coates wants to use illegals in his business. that is the only reason this liberal wants illegals here. businesses that use illegal labor are unamerican and criminals.

down with 1804, (4/11/2008 7:49:28 AM)

I hope it was Terrill who stole the documents so he can be booted out of office quickly.

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stonewall, freedom (4/11/2008 8:10:53 AM)

Rocks you are sooo right.
The pressure of being on the wrong side of an 80-20 issue has apparently gotten to Terrill.
The paranoia must be pretty bad for him to steal emails and private papers right out of someone's office like that.
I'm sick of fascist legislators like Terrill trying to cleanse the state of gays, hispanics, muslims, and now abortions. He should leave office and go back to the farm.

jimmy, sandy shores (4/11/2008 8:15:31 AM)

Harry Coates is a good man. The only man who stands up for our rights. HB1804 is a cancer on the nose of Oklahoma. It has destroyed our economy and made us look like foolish, racist, pig farming, rednecks. 1804 makes me embarrassed to be an Okiesawyer.

jack, tulsa (4/11/2008 8:26:32 AM)

another attempt to stifle citizen's voice in Oklahoma.
I don't believe anything Mr. Coates has said. If someone took an e-mail, so what? Are they not public record?

To Jack, Tulsa (4/11/2008 8:32:03 AM)

The man's emails aren't public record. Expect prosecution to the fullest extent of the law.

jack, tulsa (4/11/2008 8:35:08 AM)

I doubt it happened. Paranoia or can't stand the heat..

To Jack, Tulsa (4/11/2008 8:45:26 AM)

I'm sure it happened. OSBI will sniff out the traitor. I expect they will turn up surveillance footage of Terrill slithering into Coates' office..

anyone, tulsa (4/11/2008 8:54:40 AM)

Anyone know where you can see the e-mails?? I googled and can't find any...

mj, tulsa (4/11/2008 8:59:43 AM)

#5-America first- Thanks for the post. I also just read some of the e-mails out on the net concerning this issue. All the naysayers of HB 1804 should be proud of all the sleezy characters who are working diligently , along with TurnCoates, to thwart the will of the citizens of Oklahoma. I hope everyone will check out the site - it's very revealing when you examine the names TC has corresponded with: enablers of the phony Bankers Assoc. report predicting calamity; VP's of prominent resource companies; potentates of facilities caring for aging Oklahomans , etc.....all who are attempting to lick the boots of someone in the OK Senate deemed to champion the continual flow of plantation-like slave labor.

Jill, OK city (4/11/2008 9:00:22 AM)

Time for more laws and more deportations, this is getting out of hand.
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: Number of illegal immigrants in U.S. may be closer to 20 mil

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Number of illegal immigrants in U.S. may be closer to 20 million

April 10, 2008

The "12 million undocumented and illegal immigrants" residing in our country have fueled the national discourse on immigration reform. The number is repeatedly cited by immigration reform advocates like CNN's Lou Dobbs looking to incite support for their policies in curtailing the influx of foreigners. But few politicos and pundits ever stop to ask two questions fundamental to the immigration debate: How do we calculate the number of illegal immigrants? And where did the number 12 million come from?

The methodology for counting unauthorized immigrants relies on a lot of assumptions which call into question the accuracy of the results. Twelve million may be the most popular number cited for illegal immigrants in the U.S at present, but some estimates, like one from Bear Stearns, believe the count is actually closer to a whopping 20 million.

The different estimates stem from the varied methodologies used to arrive at a figure. Most approximations of the size and characteristics of the illegal immigrant population use the "residual method," pioneered by Jeffrey Passel of the Pew Hispanic Center. It is Dr. Passel who first came up with the estimate of 12 million illegal immigrants. The most recent estimate by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) on the unauthorized population also uses the residual method.

The residual method uses a 2000 U.S. Census survey as its starting point because it yields an estimate on the number of foreign-born residents. Researchers subtract the number of immigrants who were authorized to come to the U.S. from the number of foreign-born residents counted by the Census Bureau. This number is then adjusted using estimates of immigrant deaths and migration, and to account for Census undercounting.

Because the estimate of foreign-born individuals living in the U.S. derived by the Census relies on survey respondents to answer the Census questionnaire honestly, and because the survey was done eight years ago, neither the estimate of foreign-born individuals nor the 12 million illegal immigrant estimate can be trusted. Are we to believe that houses full of illegal immigrants would give an accurate count of the people inside their home to Census takers? Even more absurd is the belief they would even fill out the survey or be found by the Census in the first place.

DHS anticipates the undercounting and adjusts their illegal immigrant estimates by a rate of 10% to account for it. But the adjustments amount to nothing more than guesswork; they are made without any means of precision.

‘Outmigration' also throws off estimates of illegal immigrants. Outmigration occurs when authorized immigrants leave the country or die. The events-which are projected from norms rather than recorded-alter the accuracy on the legal resident immigrant count used to calculate the number of illegal immigrants. Even Dr. Passel confesses that Outmigration is "hard to measure."

In 2005, Bear Stearns analysts determined that the surveys conducted by the Census Bureau undercounted the number of illegal immigrants by far more than 10%. Through discussions with illegal immigrants, Bear Stearns found that immigrants avoid responding to Census questionnaires and work very hard to conceal their identities.

As an alternative to the residual method, Bear Stearns used micro-economic indicators to project an alternative estimate. They examined trends in school enrollment, foreign remittances and housing permits in states with high populations of undocumented immigrants like Texas, California, and New York.

Underpinning Bear Stearns' estimate of 20 million illegal immigrants is the identification of two patterns: 1) a trend of sharply increased

warden, (4/11/2008 9:13:10 AM)

I wonder if some illegal alien cleaning person at the capital, who couldn't read English, mistakingly threw the papers away and someone retrieved them from the trash?

LMAO, (4/11/2008 9:13:42 AM)

Coates has more guts than any of you. Standing in opposition to this law in the face of thousands of fanatics takes the kind of intestinal fortitude that you people, and pandering Randy Terrill, simply don't have.

America first, (4/11/2008 9:14:58 AM)

After reading the emails in question, I think Coates is actually concerned about the safety of foreign visitors and the deadly consequences denying a translator could bring about. I have changed my mind about Coates. He is a patriot and a real leader. After skimming over pages of emails, I also realize the document theif was a baffoon. He took 17 copies of the same forwarded email. Terrill probably paid the night janitor to do his dirty work.

wondering, oklahoma (4/11/2008 9:18:22 AM)

What is so bad about requiring employer's to check citizenship status? That is the only part of this bill Coates doesn't like isn't it?

America first, (4/11/2008 9:22:39 AM)

Boy those illegal loving open border people like to steal identities. You would think a reputable newspaper would stop things like this from happening.....oh thats right this is the TW

Deport and put Turncotes on trial.

deport all illegals and pass English only.

America first, (4/11/2008 9:31:46 AM)

more
Mark Shannon:

"Interesting to note, TOM PRICE was never identified as Sr. VP for Chesapeake at any time during the show, according to a report on the OKPNS....Seems to me to be just another attempt to try and demonize the millions of Oklahomans who support 1804 and are glad to see the ILLEGALS forced out of the state, and the businesses who hire illegals held accountable for supporting them while they are here."

comment, (4/11/2008 9:32:22 AM)

Don't worry #22. Minorities get a lot of breaks in America. You will eventually have a better opportunity to go to college with some sort of United Gringo College Fund and, hey, that affirmative action is looking better every day!

frank, (4/11/2008 9:32:56 AM)

E-mails between lobbyists, Harry Coates, and Chesapeake's Tom Price show there is clearly a concerted behind the scenes effort to destroy 1804, the law that deals successfully with illegal aliens, and run down it's author Randy Terrill.

These emails reveal behind the scenes coordination with Price and persons connected with MIKE TURPEN to "set up" Terrill on his March 30 appearance on KFOR's FLASHPOINT.

Interesting to note, TOM PRICE was never identified as Sr. VP for Chesapeake at any time during the show, according to a report on the OKPNS.

Coates, who is doing the dirty work in the legislature for the anti-1804 group, is holding a press conference on Wednesday to fake offense over "theft" of his emails and "hate calls" by 1804 supporters.

Seems to me to be just another attempt to try and demonize the millions of Oklahomans who support 1804 and are glad to see the ILLEGALS forced out of the state, and the businesses who hire illegals held accountable for supporting them while they are here.