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ORU leaders looking ahead to new president
By APRIL MARCISZEWSKI World Staff Writer
Published:
4/18/2008 1:16 AM
Last Modified: 4/18/2008 1:16 AM
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Oral Roberts University leaders are looking for a president who is "passionate about God," understands education and finances, and has vision, board Chairman Mart Green said Thursday at the conclusion of the board's second meeting.
They also are looking for someone who fits in at ORU, Interim President Ralph Fagin said.
"We want to embrace a larger part of the Christian world," Fagin said. "We don't want to lose the charismatic distinctive."
Through collaborative efforts of ORU employees and the board, the university is moving forward on renovations and employee raises, but leaders are leaving the vision and long-term goals up to the next president, whom they hope to have in place by summer 2009.
Former President Richard Roberts resigned in November after weeks of publicity stemming from a lawsuit that accused him of misspending ORU and Oral Roberts Evangelistic Association money. He denied any wrongdoing.
ORU's new board of trustees expects to start advertising for the presidency this summer, Green said.
The search consultant expects to see at least 100 names in the pool. The presidential search committee eventually will whittle the pool to three or four finalists and forward
one candidate to the board for consideration.
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The university has raised more than $2.1 million in cash and pledges in a $25 million matching fundraising campaign to improve the university and erase its debt, Green said.
Students have been calling alumni, and in less than two weeks, 169 people who had never donated to ORU gave nearly $15,000 total, and 196 people who had not given in five years gave nearly $24,500 total, Fagin said.
Students and faculty members also have started their own campaigns to help ORU, Fagin and Green said.
ORU is trying to widen its donor base to ensure economic sustainability and avoid relying on just a few donors, Green said.
Student recruitment took a hit during the lawsuit publicity last fall -- the biggest recruitment time of the year, Fagin said. That is a concern for ORU's bottom line, Green affirmed.
"We think it's going to take us three years to operate in the black," Green said, partly because of ORU's ongoing separation from the Oral Roberts Evangelistic Association.
The evangelistic association, which produces Roberts' television show, is expected to move off campus by the end of May, Green said.
Roberts and his family moved off campus a few weeks ago. The family and evangelistic association are staying in Tulsa.
At the board meeting this week, trustees decided to spend $7 million to repair CityPlex Towers. The school will use campaign donations or a loan, and the repairs will allow ORU to save as much as $1 million a year on costs such as heating and cooling, Green said.
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Besides the original lawsuit filed by three former professors, ORU also faces two student lawsuits and one lawsuit filed by a former employee.
In the latter cases, no dates for settlement talks are set, Fagin said, but Green said, "We're willing to work with people and do what's reasonable and fair."
A gag order prevents participants from talking about the first lawsuit outside of court. That suit prompted ORU's former board of regents to get an independent audit of ORU's finances.
The new board of trustees will consider making public the recommendations that the audit made, Green said.
"As a board, our responsibility is to do the right thing for ORU," he said.
The board would not release the audit if it would harm ORU. The university is working on all of the report's recommendations, he said.
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Fifty Dollar Fine
, (4/18/2008 1:55:22 AM)
"Besides the original lawsuit filed by three former professors, ORU also faces two student lawsuits and one lawsuit filed by a former employee.
In the latter cases, no dates for settlement talks are set, Fa%in said, but Green said, "We're willing to work with people and do what's reasonable and fair." "
What exactly does "fair" mean to crooks, liars and thieves??
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Fifty Dollar Fine
, (4/18/2008 1:56:22 AM)
Funny, that the board doesn't allow the last name Fa%in. Took me a while to figure out why my post wasn't being accepted for bad language. Wonder if Ralph has this problem, often LOL!
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denman
, broken arrow (4/18/2008 2:10:55 AM)
So the board says if the audit is bad for ORU they wont release it publicly. So much for truth and honesty. I cant believe anyone can have any real belief that these people have changed in the least bit for good. Rather its the same old lie cheat and steal and let god sort it out later.
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nss
, ba (4/18/2008 3:42:38 AM)
I think that the audit should be released regardless of what is in it - that is if ORU really wants to be fair and open - otherwise there will always be feelings of past history still going on. Facts are what we need - not just the facts they want us to have.
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Pelagius
, Norman (4/18/2008 7:18:54 AM)
#3, denman, and #4, nss, agreed. If the board appears to be manipulating the public perception of ORU, or should I say continuing to manipulate the public perception, by withholding important financial information, it will lose donors and credibility. What decent candidate would step forward to be considered for the position of President under those circumstances? With an attitude of cover-up instead of disclosure, the board risks attracting a President who will be more of the same.
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Gail
, Tulsa, Ok (4/18/2008 7:32:44 AM)
April, from previous articles during the first of the calendar year, the new board was approve Richard Robets's severance package. Do you know if this was done? And any particulars?
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PHOENIX ALUM
, (4/18/2008 7:49:21 AM)
I think it is going to be very difficult to find anyone that meets the current critera for the position. Does the "charismatic distinction" include the flawed doctrines held by the Robertses? Unless the university changes its name, I can't imagine a fresh start.
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Joe-Allen Doty
, Tulsa, OK (4/18/2008 7:57:53 AM)
Before a religious cult, especially a "Christian Cult," can exist, it has to have a regular meeting place. ORU is NOT a church; it is an educational institution.
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While Richard and Lindsay Roberts might have a sort of "cult-following," they are not the head of a religious cult either since they don't pastor any church.
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John
, Broken Arrow (4/18/2008 8:20:32 AM)
RE: "Before a religious cult, especially a "Christian Cult," can exist, it has to have a regular meeting place. ORU is NOT a church; it is an educational institution."
It is all a mater of semantics.
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Joe-Allen Doty
, Tulsa, OK (4/18/2008 8:23:33 AM)
Since Mr. Mart Green and Don Argue, Ed.D (he has a doctorate in Education) are both members of Assemblies of God congregations, it is possible that the person whom the ORU Board of Trustees will eventually choose is from a classical Trinitarian Pentecostal background rather than from a Charismatic church background.
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The Assemblies of God Theological Seminary's full-time professors all have doctorate degrees and most of them earned those degrees from major NON AG universities.
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I think that a new president with an earned doctorate who is AG and has a background the field of Education would be an asset to ORU.
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PHOENIX ALUM
, (4/18/2008 8:30:10 AM)
Names are very important. Oral and Richard "owned" the university. If it is God's university, they should change the name.
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Joe-Allen Doty
, Tulsa, OK (4/18/2008 8:31:30 AM)
When I attended ORU during school terms during the period of Fall 1975 through Spring 1978, none of the students were even indoctrinated into Oral Roberts "Seed Faith" doctrine. He did not even teach a class and he did not speak at very many chapel services either.
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There was no pastor holding church services on the ORU campus in those days.
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Any person who claims to have been brain-washed by Oral Roberts, Richard Roberts and/or Lindsay Roberts while a student at Oral Roberts University ought to see a licensed and certified mental health professional because said person is more than likely mentally ill.
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It's oddly amusing that the folks calling ORU a "cult" have never been students there.
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Joe-Allen Doty
, Tulsa, OK (4/18/2008 8:38:06 AM)
While Oral and Richard Roberts acted like they "owned" the university at times, they never dictated what the any of the professors taught in any of the graduate theology courses which I took at ORU.
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When I went to ORU, all of the professors who taught in the Graduate School of Theology had 3 more university degrees than Oral Roberts had. Actually, Oral Roberts dropped out of Phillips University in Enid, Oklahoma in the late 1940s before he decided to become an evangelist. (In fact, before I went to ORU, I had two earned degrees, a BA in Ed. and a MEd.)
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Richard Roberts never got an "earned" doctorate until recent times and he got it at ORU rather recently.
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Joe-Allen Doty
, Tulsa, OK (4/18/2008 8:46:09 AM)
Oh, since the letters F A G I N have the hateful word used for "homosexuals" as the its 1st three letters, the Tulsa World's computer program rejects it. When I tried to type the army slang word for a "priggish" person, it rejected that word, too.
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If a diabetic were to use that "p" word referring to sticking a finger with a needle to get a blood sample in a TW comment, the word word be rejected.
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And If I quoted a Bible verse where the LORD talked to Paul on the Road to Damascus when Paul was on his way to round up believers in Jesus do that his executioners could stone them to death, the plural "p" word used in that verse would look like the slang word for penes (the plural of penis).
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PHOENIX ALUM
, (4/18/2008 9:02:35 AM)
Sixty feet tall - weighing 30 tons . . . Oral's monument to himself. He "owned" the university.
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Machiavelli
, Houston (4/18/2008 10:48:36 AM)
I'm happy to see an article on this topic, I've missed conversing with my cyber-friends. I'll have to wait till this evening however, to read, digest, and comment on the article. I hope Pelagius, MO Alum, Alan Pike, qqq, and some others show up. Greetings to Fifty Dollar Fine.
Oh forgive, I see Pelagius has shown up, I need til tonight to get up to speed!
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Joe-Allen Doty
, Tulsa, OK (4/18/2008 10:55:18 AM)
Nobody name "Roberts" owns ORU now. I do agree that it does need a name change. Oral Roberts "officially" said that he was not going to put him name on "God's university" but, his board insisted that it be done.
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Why didn't he demand his way back then like he did in 2007?
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Pelagius
, Norman (4/18/2008 11:41:39 AM)
#17, Mach, Hi! Yes, it would be great to hear from the gang. On another board, Annie and John from Broken Arrow have joined the regulars (is that you John, in post #10?).
You know, everytime ORU tries to move ahead and distance itself from the previous lawsuits and unfortunate Roberts issues, unless and until they clear the decks with the financial reports, they will never get quite as far from the immediate past as they might hope. Those financial records and audits are like an albatross around their collective necks keeping ORU from being a phoenix flying from the ashes.
;)
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CM
, Tulsa (4/18/2008 2:28:00 PM)
The new board of trustees will consider making public the recommendations that the audit made, Green said.
"As a board, our responsibility is to do the right thing for ORU," he said.
The board would not release the audit if it would harm ORU. The university is working on all of the report's recommendations, he said.
**************************************
ORU has already been severely damaged; the new board is right.
They really do have the responsibility of keeping negative things out of the public's eye about a school that has already been ravaged by suits, lies and constant public scrutiny. Everything that goes on concerning ORU is really not our business and the board probably feels the same way.
Nevertheless, I am hoping that the audit was in good order and will eventually be published. .
~CM
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Machiavelli
, Houston (4/18/2008 7:48:23 PM)
It's clear these ORU stories have lost their sizzle. I really enjoyed the excitement while it lasted. I'm optimistic that Mart Green even hinted that the recommendations from the infamous audit report might be revealed. I think they eventually will release that information. But all the lawsuits have to be settled first, so that information doesn't give one of the plaintiffs too much ammunition.
Since Oral Roberts is a lifetime something-or-other in the Mart Green post-Richard-and-Lindsay era, and a unanimous vote is required three years in a row for a name change (as I recall the fine print in something released about that point), that means that a name change is not on the radar screen of possibility until Oral Roberts is dead at least three years UNLESS Oral himself would initiate the idea of a name change.
I hope that ORU does find a suitable President. I don't see why someone cannot be found who is able to attract a wide range of Christians (whether Pentecostal, Charismatic, or otherwise) and still be Charismatic, so the school retains its charismatic characteristic.
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Joe-Allen Doty
, Tulsa, OK (4/18/2008 8:01:24 PM)
Many of the wealthier people who donated to the founding of ORU and/or were the major donors for several of its first buildings were members of Assemblies of God congregations. Some of those same people gave large donations to AG Bible Schools, and colleges. The AG had no institution of higher learning in the 1960s and 1970s with "university" as part of its name.
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I don't classify classical Pentecostal denominations as "Charismatics;" but, those who believe in the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit (for use during any worship sevice) believe in the "charismata" given by the Holy Spirit. "Charismata" means "gift."
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Joe-Allen Doty
, Tulsa, OK (4/18/2008 8:11:06 PM)
Since the Oral Roberts Evangelistic Association is known as "Oral Roberts Ministries" as a legal business name, like in OREA doing business as ORM, I think that it might be possible to so a similar thing with the "renaming of ORU." And there be no waiting period for the name change as far as the public is concerned.
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The apartment complex where I live is officially owned by a business (although the son of the manager is the actual owner); but, his company does business as (-----) Apartments as far as the complex is concerned.
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maverick
, Gillespie (4/18/2008 8:59:31 PM)
The article stated that R&R have moved out off the campus but will remain in the Tulsa area. Does anyone know when this happened and where they have moved to? What about the girls? By the way, I've missed reading these posts as well, Mach - nice to be back.
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OU
, Norman (4/18/2008 9:36:16 PM)
What is a person going to accomplish with a worthless degree
from ORU . its just where preachers send their daughters to protect them but then they go Girls gone wild. Us guys use to drive to ORU from OU because the preachers daughters were so freaky.lol People send their kids to real colleges for an education cult members send their kids to CULTS like ORU to be baby sitted.
And believe me they are~!!!!
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Pelagius
, Norman (4/18/2008 10:00:31 PM)
#21, Machiavelli, Hey Mack, I agree that the audit probably causes some problems for the lawsuits, especially the one filed by Huddleston about the major amounts funneled, which could have been used for political contributions and avoiding donation limits by having one regent or another "donate" to ORU which in turn sent the money somewhere other than an ORU account.
But I am intrigued by your last point, and agree entirely, that the scope doesn't have to limited to one brand of Christian. What intrigues me is the idea that the Board of Regents wants a President who is passionate about God, and why, in light of all that's happened, they didn't include the idea of someone passionate about ethics. Are the two mutually exclusive? Are they not completely and entirely compatible? Does the claim to be passionate about Christianity and the Christian view of God necessarily negate the idea of someone who is passionate about ethics?
Color me puzzled....;)
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