Hugh, 3rd of Five, Hoo'ville (5/3/2008 7:14:13 AM)

Rather confusing report (only slightly improved over yesterday's misleading release) Which attorneys said what? And Deaton represents who here? (individual Regents, or the whole?)

One wonders what standard is needed to prove "gross negligence?" (How about the chair of the former Board of Regents -- e.g., "the BORg" -- claiming that God told him to do whatever the person he was supposed to supervise wanted? )

Apparently the claims against the BORg as (if you will) a "collective" remain, but the claims against individual BORg members have been dismissed.

April, can you clarify? Is it correct that the claims against the whole remain, but not against the individual BORg members? If so, the very headline on this story needs modified.

Hugh, 3rd of Five

jr, tulsa (5/3/2008 8:14:34 AM)

Lousy reporting as usual. In her last article she said that the judge would rule on releasing the depositions from the pilot, PI, ect. No mention of that in the article. A good reporter would give an update on that.

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (5/3/2008 9:02:43 AM)

"Ect." is not the abbreviation for "et cetera;" "etc." is.

Yesterday's article on this subject was modified at 5:15 PM. It no longer has what the Judge was going to rule on.

I think that those all of those Word of Faith who were on the now defunct Board of Regents ought to be called by the Plaintiffs' attorney as witness who ignored what Richard Roberts was doing.

George Pearsons, ORU drop-out, and pastor of Kenneth Copeland's church at Newark, Texas (which in on KCM property along with a horse ranch), stated, in words to this effect, "I am going to be a 'yes man' for Richard Roberts." He apparently got to be appointed as chairman of the BOR because Copeland requested it be done.

George (I used to call him by his first name when I knew him) was mentored by Copeland, who told him to drop out of ORU and he would teach him all he needed to know about the Bible. Copeland is an ORU drop-out also. Copeland was a disciple of Kenneth Hagin, Sr.

Hugh, 3rd of Five, Hooville (5/3/2008 10:37:15 AM)

Yes, Joe, we're both referring to the infamous acceptance speech GP gave just over a year ago, upon his "ascension" to be chair of the ORU BORg: Here's the still stunning quote. (Of course, saying utterly stupid things may not in itself constitute "gross negligence" -- but it surely would seem a prima facia case in lack of competence to carry out such duties....)

Why I Am Here Today

I am standing here today because of the Roberts/Copeland Covenant. I am surrendered to the fact that, "This is my university and I will support it as if it were my own." Our families are forever connected.

I am standing here today to help my father-in-law fulfill what he wrote in that letter 40 years ago.

I am standing here today because the Lord clearly spoke to me and said, "Do whatever Richard Roberts asks you to do."

CULT MEMBERS, (5/3/2008 11:11:00 AM)

YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL RELIGIOUS FANATICS.
YOU ARE WORSE THAN A BUNCH OF BRAINWASHED CULT MEMBERS !!!!!!!
LOCK THE DOORS ON ORU AND SEND ALL OF THE RELIGIOUS FANATICS TO A MENTAL WARD WHERE THEY BELONG !!!!!!

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (5/3/2008 12:26:39 PM)

Oh, I believe that the "LORD" spoke to George Pearsons in the very same way that the "LORD" spoke to Richard Roberts and told him to drop out of KU and go to ORU the next fall.

Richard's current autobiography states that while he was a 2nd semester Freshman at KU God spoke to him and told him to not return to KU in the fall and go to ORU instead.

Evelyn Roberts' original story of why Richard did not return to KU as a Sophomore is that she and Oral Roberts went up to Kansas City where Richard was appearing in Summer Stock (after Richard's Freshman year at KU) and they demanded that he enroll at ORU and live in a men's dorm so that they could keep track of him at all times.

Since Copeland was and still is George's spiritual mentor, I think that Copeland told George over and over that it was the LORD's will that he become a member of the ORU BOR.

It is odd that college dropouts would even be on the board of regents of the very school they left on purpose.

Annie & John, Broken Arrow, Ok (5/3/2008 4:30:35 PM)

Thank You, Tulsa World for this update. Yesterday, the article indicated only two or three ministers were dropped from the suit. Now this article does not specify the ministers.


ARE ALL FORMER BOARD MEMBERS DROPPED FROM THIS SUIT? It has confused us.....Maybe it is only the two of us. Please explain. THANKS AGAIN.

Annie & John, B A (5/3/2008 4:40:06 PM)

TO: Nanny, how are you? We have not heard from you in a long time. Keep us up to date with what is happening to you. It seems you have some new excitement in your life. Can you feel us in?

Gail, Tulsa, Ok (5/3/2008 5:54:20 PM)

To: Annie & John: I do not think Nanny will revisit TW b/c of the cruelity to her. Combined with her illness it was just about 2 much.

Nanny is doing much better. We IM each other or call each other frequently.

How are you doing? Still recouping?

Someone started using my name and posting history to pretend they were me, so I rarely post anymore.

I hope all is well with you and your family.

I will email Nanny the post you made to let her know you are thinking about her. She will find great comfort from that.

Joe-Allen Doty, Tulsa, OK (5/3/2008 7:42:09 PM)

People who continue to call ORU a cult have no idea as to what really goes on during the school year at ORU.

When I went to ORU (as a graduate theology student / I am not a graduate of ORU), undergraduate students, who were not Religious Education, Bible and/or Theology majors, only had to go to TWO 50 minute chapels per week. They only had to take a 4 hour course called "Bible Survey" only once. And they had to take two non-credit courses called "Holy Spirit in the Now" (that was actually recorded on audio tape and the only time they had to show up in a classroom for those 2 courses was to take tests).

How can anyone be indoctrinated at ORU when one was not majoring in a theology related field? Besides, while students were supposed to be out of the dorms for a few hours on Sundays and were supposed to be in church somewhere, no one had to prove they even went to church on Sunday mornings.

ANNIE AND JOHN, Broken Arrow, Ok (5/3/2008 11:39:50 PM)

Gail--Thank you for giving us information on Nanny. Appreciate you telling us about the imposter using your name. I had become concerned about you and was not sure if it was you.



John and I always felt like Nanny got a bad send off. TELL HER WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HER. Send her our love and hope her health is improving.

My recovery is slow. I may have to have a hip replacement. But, I will be fine, I am sure. THANKS FOR ASKING.

"Where is Everybody", Norfolk (5/4/2008 5:40:57 AM)

Posts are disappearing. That's why you don't see certain people here any more.

These are people whose posts are always insightful and courteous. Their posts are disappearing, and I think we all know why.

The ORU debacle is the most fascinating cover up I've ever seen. Between the "gag order" and a handful of other "slights of hand", the story has vanished from view.

TOO BAD NOTHING'S BEEN SETTLED!

Makes you think, I hope. Makes you think about what you've been allowed to think, and why. We've been cursed to live in interesting times.

Delighted 2 Meet U, I'm Sure (5/4/2008 2:45:26 PM)

Wild Monkey's Colon. You know what's really special about these message boards? Your repulsive mini-rant is probably here to stay. You'd have to make an honest, discerning remark in order to have your post deleted.

Keep 'em coming wmcol, the roses need the nutrients.

By the way,, JJ (5/4/2008 2:54:55 PM)

It's not just nonchristians who are concerned about the shenanigans at ORU. Many Christians are very concerned as well.
I'm a devout Christian. While I realize that we Christians are a bit abrasive at times, I don't think I deserved the backhanded insult you served me when you attacked the organic-fertilzer-spewing-one.

The disgusting abuses of power at ORU represent a huge black eye to Christians. Furthermore, please understand that the vast majority of victims in the debacle are Christians. For these reasons, we'd like to see "high control groups" within Christianity policed more carefully.

It's hard to be patient with the cover-up and legal foot dragging, but those of use who are waiting and watching would do well not to turn on each other out of sheer bored frustration. Justice will be served.

Shark Killer, Tulsa (5/4/2008 8:29:12 PM)

I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find Doty here spouting his nonsense.

jr, Tulsa: It is my understaniding that the PI attempted to contact April...April simply never returned his "call". Anyone who is surprised by that, raise your hand.

It is also my understanding that a lot is going on behind the scenes (so to speak) in this matter but not everything will be made public. I don't think anyone wants to see ORU destroyed, well, that's probably not entirely accurate but I think the folks most directly involved in the proceedings don't. I know there are some folks out there that wouldn't be satisfied even if the place was razed and a parking lot made there.

Midwest, (5/5/2008 6:05:53 AM)

I am glad TW pulled all the irrelevant, negative and vile posts. Its too bad that they had to pull all the constructive posts at the same time.

Sandy , Prior (5/5/2008 10:04:06 AM)

Tulsa People recent issue shows Mr. Green on the cover . In the article it claims misuse of funds by Roberts. Would that include Lindsay Roberts using the private plane to find a pagent dress for her daughter when RR preached in Texas? Mr. Roberts flew with his personal musical accompanist and her guest on the plane, Mrs. Roberts and others were on the plane. 2 SUVs were waiting for them at the private airport. Mr. Roberts, his pianist and guest left for the church service Mr. Roberts was to preach in. They left in one vehicle. Other driven by Mrs. Roberts headed to one of the most expensive malls. A younger Roberts daughter was in search of (and found a multi thousand dollar) pagent dress. The others excluding Mr. Roberts, his music accompainist and her friend reconnected at the private airport with Mrs. Roberts and her guests after the shopping spree .Cell phone records show locations where calls are made from the ping of the tower. Bet texting occured and bet calls were placed to and from the location of the shopping malls. Interesting one guests on the plane paid for lunch with a personal credit card bet record matches same mall location same date same time.Are plane records consistant?

Juan Gomez, Springdale (5/5/2008 10:57:31 AM)

More proof that the Brooker's are using a stick to the wall legal tactic for their trumped up lawsuit.

Once again, a Tim Brooker lawsuit tossed out of court!!!!!!!!

Shark Killer, Tulsa (5/6/2008 9:27:37 AM)

Juan: The lawsuit wasn't tossed out of court.

Sandy: That's interesting. And "plane records" are known as "flight logs" but the exact date of this trip would have to be known for the information to be cross-referenced against the flight logs.

Juan Gomez, Springdale (5/6/2008 11:50:47 AM)

#19 shark killer, you are correct, the lawsuit was not totally dismissed at this time; it is still going forward. I did not complete the example of the Brooker's "stick to the wall" lawsuit. Here is an example: a private plane crash. The pilot is killed. His or her family sues the plane manufacture, the instrutment manufacture, the fuel supplier, the tire manufacture and any and all companies that had anything to do with the production of that plane. Then what happens? The judge starts to release each defendant in the suit. More likely than not; it comes down to pilot error.

With the Brooker's it is pilot error; in my opinion. Tim Brooker made an error by thinking he could scam a scammer and get away with some dollars. ORU did not renew Paulita's contract and Tim took his ball and went away mad. So what happens, the Brooker's sue and they bring in everyone they can.

Tim Brooker is scum. He has tried to scam by stock swindle and by suing public officals. If ORU offered the Brooker's 5k each, they would take it and go away. Why? Because that more than likely will be the most money they ever had or will ever have.

Shark Killer, Tulsa (5/6/2008 9:49:54 PM)

Juan: You are only partially correct. If a plane crashes the NTSB and FAA initiate an investigation. While the family could certainly attempt to sue each part maker for the aircraft - if you'll excuse the pun - that would never fly. And I suspect you know that.

Ford used to make a car called the Pinto. It was a highly dangerous vehicle prone to combustion when struck from the rear at even low speeds. Several people died...burned alive, actually. Ford refused to change the automobile design to make the vehicle safe. Some family members of the survivors finally formed a class action suit and sued Ford for hundreds of millions..after all, how else are you going to get a company that makes billions of dollars each year to listen to a single consumer. Ford lost. As a result of that class action suit, Ford was forced to either redesign the car and make it safe...or stop making it.

Ford stopped making the Pinto.

Then Ford stopped making the Bronco series after the Bronco II turned out be prone to rollover. So they produced it as the Ford Explorer...which was prone to rollover. Several folks died horrible deaths. Some were maimed for life - quadriplegic, paraplegic, etc. Several small children died in excruciating agony. Ford refused to modify the car and make it safer. Folks banded together and filed a class action suit. Ford lost hundreds of millions. Ford changed the design, widened the stance and lowered the center of gravity on the Explorer. Now, you don't have to worry if your daughter is going to die a slow painful death simply by driving one of those trucks to school.

I appreciate your opinion on the ORU mess but, unfortunately, you aren't in possession of all the facts in this matter. Here's a question for you...you don't think ORU has already made a settlement offer?

For years Ford paid the surviving family members a few thousand dollars for each person that was killed driving their vehicles. At some point someone said, "That's enough".

The Roberts family has been scamming hundreds of millions of dollars from the elderly, the infirm and those members of our society who are the weakest, for decades. It has now been alleged that they've engaged in practices that are unethical and unlawful - even by their standards. Heck, Oral claims to have raised the dead.

That's enough.

Juan Gomez, Springdale (5/7/2008 11:40:07 AM)

#21 Shark Killer, Don't misunderstand what I have written; they are both scam artist. I am not defending ORU. The fact of the matter is this; Tim Brooker is the devil that we know in Arkansas. His association with known federal felons in a stock fraud scam has been well documented. Also, all of his bogus lawsuits against public officials in Arkansas.

Yes, I totally agree with you about the slick hair boys and what you wrote: The Roberts family has been scamming hundreds of millions of dollars from the elderly, the infirm and those members of our society who are the weakest, for decades............. Heck, Oral claims to have raised the dead.

They should all be locked up, with the keys to the cell lost for about 50 to 75 years. Let's see if they can raise the dead then.

Last item. As to your question; you bet they made an offer. More than likely that offer was for 50 cents. That is why I mentioned in my last comment; make them an offer of 5K each, then they will go away.

Tim Brooker, the scam artist is looking for a big pay day. To paraphase Willie Sutton; Tim Brooker knows where the money is for a Christian con artist like himself; that is why he has a lawsuit against ORU............Willie Sutton knew where the money was kept; in the bank. That is why Willie Sutton robbed them.

Rasputen, (5/7/2008 9:22:49 PM)

Gomez, what's your beef with the man, it sounds like he cleaned your clock and you're forever trapped in your own little pity party. In other words you sound like a pouty baby that dropped his rattle /or had it slapped out of your hands. Which was it? You really should take a few steps toward forgiveness, that kind of deep rooted bitterness must keep you up at night.

Juan Gomez, Springdale (5/15/2008 12:26:32 PM)

#23 Rasputen; First, allow me to point out your incorrect spelling of the person from Czarist Russian history; the proper spelling of the Monk Rasputin is with an "I" not an "E" as you have it.

The only clock Tim Brooker can clean and not to well at that, is his own.

One has to ask, if the families of the murdered females are forgiving of Tim Brooker and his campaign to get a convicted rapist released from prison.

23, are you one of the Brooker's sons or, just one of the Brooker Klan? Anyone defending the classless Tim Brooker should check himself or herself into a hospital for the insane. 23, if you need a recommendation, I will be happy to supply you with one.

Tim Brooker has done more harm to three females, if not more; by his campaigning to get the convicted rapist, Wayne DuMond released from prison. Tim Brooker made DuMond's 17-year-old victim out to be the one who perpetrated the crime and that DuMond was innocent.

The young Arkansas girl that Wayne DuMond raped, pleaded with the then Governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee, not to parole him because she feared he would go after her or he would rape or do worst to other females upon his release. Four states stopped the release of DuMond to their state. Missouri was the only state that would take DuMond; and we KNOW what happen within a very short time upon Wayne DuMond's arrival in the state.

Within a very short time of his release from prison, with the help of Tim Brooker, Wayne DuMond did just as his young victim said he would; Wayne DuMond murdered two females in Missouri. Jury sentenced Wayne DuMond to death. Tim Brooker should be brought up on charges of Conspiracy to Commit Murder for his aiding in the release of Wayne DuMond!

I sleep very well, thank you. However, I do not think you can say the same for Tim Brooker, his nightmares must be keeping him wide-awake at night; Seeing Wayne DuMond raping females and than murdering them to keep quiet. Yep 23, your concern with sleep should be directed towards your Klan buddy, Tim Brooker.

So, you ask if I can take a few steps towards forgiveness, there is no bitterness within me towards Tim Brooker for me to forgive. There is, a deep dislike, coupled with absolute lack of respect for Tim Brooker. This is a person that should be collecting trash, not instructing young people.

In my opinion, Tim Brooker is nothing more than a lying, cheating scamming piece of dirt, that in is own way helped to have two females murdered. 23, you tell us who should be forgiving to whom?