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Voter ID bill dies in Senate
By BARBARA HOBEROCK World Capitol Bureau
Published:
5/7/2008 2:00 AM
Last Modified: 5/7/2008 2:00 AM
A Democratic leader abstains from the party-line vote to deny Republicans a tie.
OKLAHOMA CITY -- Senate Democrats killed a bill Tuesday that would have required voters to show identification at the polls.
Critics of the bill said there is no evidence of voter fraud in Oklahoma.
"If you disenfranchise poor, minority and elderly voters, you can hurt Democrats," Senate President Pro Tem Mike Morgan, D-Stillwater, said. "That is all this is about."
Senate Bill 1150 received a 24-23 vote. A bill needs 25 votes to pass in the Senate, which has 24 Democrats and 24 Republicans.
Morgan originally voted for House amendments to the bill, which advanced it to another vote. However, he abstained on the bill itself. Had Morgan voted against it, the result would have been a Senate tie, which could have been broken by Lt. Gov. Jari Askins, a Democrat.
"It was apparent to me the Republican leadership was attempting to play games, force a tie and bring the lieutenant governor in on another issue," Morgan said.
"I am not in favor of those games, but I certainly know how to play. I will use any procedural method within the rules to accomplish a good result for the people of Oklahoma."
The measure's author, Sen. John Ford, R-Bartlesville, held the bill on a motion to reconsider the vote by which it failed. He has three legislative days to bring the bill back up.
Ford said he is disappointed that the bill failed, espe cially as the vote was along party lines.
"Oklahoma Democrats and Republicans want fair and honest elections," he said. "I don't know why it failed on a partisan basis, but it is not right."
Ford said he would keep working behind the scenes to secure the measure's passage.
Sen. Sean Burrage, D-Claremore, said Ford is trying to fix something that is not broken.
The measure would have required a voter to present one of the following forms of identification: a valid driver's license, a passport, a state identification card, a copy of a current utility bill, a bank statement, a government check, a paycheck or another governmental or tribal document that shows the voter's name and address.
Sen. James A. Williamson, R-Tulsa, said those were broad requirements.
"I can't believe anyone could not produce at least one form," he said.
Many of his constituents believe that the integrity of the ballot process needs to be protected, he said.
Sen. Jim Wilson, D-Tahlequah, said: "Voter identification has always been a Republican thing. It is as much as a 3 percent advantage.
"We decided to draw the line. We need to be on real issues. Voter identification and English as the official language are not one of them."
Senate Co-President Pro Tem Glenn Coffee, R-Oklahoma City, said Senate Democrats appeared intent on turning the Senate back into a graveyard for good legislation.
Barbara Hoberock (405) 528-2465
barbara.hoberock@tulsaworld.com
By BARBARA HOBEROCK World Capitol Bureau
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D.K.
, Pryor (5/7/2008 2:22:59 AM)
I was thinking that it is a law to have an i.d. on you at all times. Am I wrong? And if this is correct, then what is the problem making people show it when voting? I would think this would keep the voting process a little more on the honest side!
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Diana
, (5/7/2008 3:48:32 AM)
@D.K. from Pryor - There is no law requiring a person to carry identification at all times. This proposed legislation attempts to fix something that is not broken. There have been no reports or allegations of voter fraud in our state. I applaud the Democrats and specifically Senator Morgan for standing firm.
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jw
, Canadian (5/7/2008 5:18:33 AM)
Thank you, Sen. Morgan.
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Fish
, Grand Lake (5/7/2008 5:24:07 AM)
The Dems won't be able to count non-existant voters. This vote in our Senate is a clear attempt to prevent fair elections.
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Isaac Parker
, (5/7/2008 5:34:16 AM)
The good ole boys network still alive in well in the OK Senate...ACORN is proud of it's Okie constituents...Do your own searches on this FRAUDULENT group...this is why WE NEED VOTER ID's.
ACORN
* Largest radical group in America, with 175,000 dues-paying member families, and more than 850 chapters in 70 US cities
* Implicated in numerous reports of fraudulent voter registration, vote-rigging, voter intimidation, and vote-for-pay scams during the 2004 election
* Maintains close ties to organized labor
The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is a grassroots political organization that grew out of George Wiley's National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO), whose members in the late 1960s and early 70s invaded welfare offices across the U.S. -- often violently -- bullying social workers and loudly demanding every penny to which the law "entitled" them. In the late 1960s, ACORN founder Wade Rathke was a NWRO organizer and a protegé of Wiley. Rathke also organized draft resistance for the militant group Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) during the same period.
In 1970, Rathke formed a new organization called Arkansas Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). The name was later changed to Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, but the acronym ACORN remained. Instead of focusing only on welfare recipients, ACORN's mandate included all issues touching low-income and working-class people.
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Flint
, Checotah (5/7/2008 6:14:43 AM)
If you disenfranchise poor, minority and elderly voters, you can hurt Democrats," Senate President Pro Tem Mike Morgan, D-Stillwater, said. "That is all this is about."
Just HOW can proving that one is a valid, registered voter "disenfranchise" anyone? This lame argument has been used to death by Democrats who are scared to death of
honest elections - they would lose their power base of fraudulent voters!
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Alden
, Tulsa (5/7/2008 6:25:39 AM)
Saying there is no evidence of voter fraud is not proof there is no voter fraud. It may mean they never catch anyone involved in voter fraud. I am a proud Oklahoman not very proud today, with this evidence of obvious protection for Democrat politicians.
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Travis
, Tahlequah (5/7/2008 6:41:47 AM)
Voter ID should be passed. As it was proposed, Oklahoma's law would have been fairly weak, needing only a utility bill to "prove" your ID. Sen. Wilson speaks of a 3% advantage for Republicans if passed, where does he get his numbers. I guess the Democrats know there is a 3% fraud factor in their favor. Sen Morgan is the one playing games here, who voted for the bill before he voted against it?
Producing a photo ID is not a hardship, people do it all the time as it is. Want to buy beer, cigarettes, write a check, open a bank account, buy a gun (a republican thing, sorry), or get a loan, better have a valid ID.Sometimes a valid ID is required to even use a credit or debit card.
Pass voter ID, help insure the integrity of the system.
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Jay
, Durant (5/7/2008 6:45:40 AM)
Even if you support Voter ID, this was a bad bill. Here is what could happen under it. Someone steals my utility bill, makes a copy and then goes to my poling place and claims they are me. Under this bill, they get to vote as me unchallenged. Say another person, a senior citizen in a rural area, is driven to the polls by a friend. They have forgotten their identification. Under this bill, they are only allowed to make a provisional vote - even if the poll worker knows who they are. A fradulent vote is given more credence that a real one - that is a fatal flaw, and that is why the bill should not have passed as it was.
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a
, tulsa (5/7/2008 6:45:43 AM)
I don't see what's wrong with producing ID, but come on, is this really a serious problem in Oklahoma? Your name is on a list in a precinct, it would take a seriously labor intensive effort to be able to vote as more than one person anyway. I think they are wasting our time.
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Graychin
, Eucha (5/7/2008 7:33:34 AM)
There was a news story yesterday about a group of elderly nuns in Indiana who were turned away from their polling place because they could not produce photo ID's. The poll worker who had to turn them away was another nun who knew them personally.
Thank goodness that the Supreme Court has protected the integrity of the ballot against fraudulent elderly nuns.
There is no evidence that any voter fraud is taking place in Oklahoma. None. Not a single case. Am I wrong? Then cite a case.
Therefore this is really about vote suppression, and nothing more.
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the facts
, (5/7/2008 7:39:03 AM)
#2 - there have been allegations of voter fraud in both Haskell and Adair counties. People in Haskell county were prosecuted for their involvement. Richard Gray refused to prosecute anyone when he was DA in Adair county so I am sure it will continue. Read in the Tulsa World archives about Daryl Cates and all the allegations in Adair county. You have to show ID to write a check or use a credit card or fly or lots of other things - why not to vote? Gone are the days when poll workers personally knew everyone who came in to vote. Times have changed and election laws need to change too as well as cleaning the voter lists of deceased people and people who have moved or not voted for years. Of course the election board secretaries (who are appointed by senators like Wilson) are paid by the numbers on the roll so why would they want accurate numbers??????
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E T
, TULSA (5/7/2008 7:43:03 AM)
"If you disenfranchise poor, minority and elderly voters, you can hurt Democrats," Senate President Pro Tem Mike Morgan, D-Stillwater, said. "That is all this is about." How in the world is making someone show an ID that they are the person they say they are going to do what Mike Morgan says it will do. I am an elderly vote an I don't have a problem showing an ID and am offended by his statement. Mike Morgan is your typical idiot that should not be in office. Morgan wants illegals to vote, dead people to vote, and people to vote twice so he and idiot reps like him can carry on their immoral and illegal agendas.
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Walkingstick
, Sand Springs (5/7/2008 7:44:30 AM)
Evidently graychin has been out of touch with reality. How soon we forget the ACORN fraud in Oklahoma.
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Lawrence
, Tulsa (5/7/2008 7:53:15 AM)
"We need to be on real issues. Voter identification and English as the official language are not one of them."
-----
I agree. It's not so much that I'm against a voter ID system (if done properly not to disenfranchise voters), it's just that with all the issues we have at the state level (budget down, roads/bridges in disrepair, schools/universities underfunded), why are these two at the top of the list?
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Mayor Daley
, (5/7/2008 8:03:16 AM)
Woo Hoo- I can vote early and often as usual.
The cemetary vote will continue to count.
Thank God for "senator" Morgan
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inconvenienced
, (5/7/2008 8:07:29 AM)
OKay!
now let's get rid of those pesky library cards, which hinder me checking out books,
get rid of social security cards, which they make me show for benefits,
get rid of driver's licenses, which the cops always want to see
prohibit stores from asking for ID when I write a check or rent a dvd
all of these things are an inconvenience, and hinder me from doing what I want to do anytime and anyplace
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Doug
, (5/7/2008 8:13:19 AM)
You have to be kidding me. Everyone should be able to produce one form of ID. Democrats are pro illegal, pro socialist
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An-American
, (5/7/2008 8:15:34 AM)
It appears that Senate President Pro Tem Mike Morgan is unaware of Oklahoma and Federal laws and regulations that require a PITCHURE I.D. to:
a. cash a government issued check;
b. be served alcohol in bars and clubs;
c. purchase tobacco produces;
d. driving a vehicle;
e. board a commercial air flight;
f. obtain utility services;
g. cashing a personal check;
h. to receive government assistance;
i. etc, etc, etc;
However, Mr. Morgan doesn’t believe that WE should require a person to prove they are a LEGAL resident of the State of Oklahoma for one of the most important rights WE AMERICANS have, that is OUR right to VOTE.
It appears that Mr. (let’s support illegal aliens ) Morgan forgets that there are states in the union that have issued driver license to ILLEGAL ALIENS; who in turn falsely obtained Oklahoma Drivers License and Voter Registration I. D.’s.
So Mr. Morgan, way don’t you call a special session and REPEAL ALL state laws and regulations that require an I.D., license, and/or proof of an individuals identification and national status?
YOU COWARD.
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Alden
, Tulsa (5/7/2008 9:00:28 AM)
Inconvienced and An American. You two make the case. I might add that just try to get a document from Oklahoma Vital Records without a current photo ID. They will just tell you to not let the doorknob bruise your rear as you leave.
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John
, Jenks (5/7/2008 9:11:33 AM)
Well said # 19. It is funny that Morgan voted for it the admendment originally and then abstained from the vote as to keep it from going to the Lt. Governor. Then he accused Republicans of playing games!!!!! This is the biggest game player there is.
He states the following:
"If you disenfranchise poor, minority and elderly voters, you can hurt Democrats," Senate President Pro Tem Mike Morgan, D-Stillwater, said. "That is all this is about."
He is only doing it for the party of Democrats.
The poor democrat "victims".
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Let me understand
, (5/7/2008 9:26:08 AM)
Help me understand. If you are breathing, know the name of a person on the voter records (dead or alive), and can sign the name of the person that you say that you are then you should be allowed to vote as a democrat. This is without regard of citizenship status of the United States or Oklahoma. I remember the famous words of the former mayor of Chicago who on every (resurrection) election day. Vote early,vote often, and vote Democrat.
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Toni
, Bartlesville (5/7/2008 10:14:34 AM)
Google "Nuns vote" to see the story out yesterday about several nuns being denied the right to vote in Indiana because they did not have an id. It can disenfranchise the poor and elderly who do not drive or fly or buy booze or write checks at stores. For some of us this is so common, we don't take time to consider that everyone doesn't live the lifestyle we do.
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ah
, ada (5/7/2008 10:17:29 AM)
LOL!!! Republicans shouting about Fair Elections I am all about fair electioons I say we do what's right and get that Election rigger out of the white house.
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mj
, Tulsa (5/7/2008 10:29:16 AM)
"It was apparent to me the Republican leadership was attempting to play games, force a tie and bring the lieutenant governor in on another issue," Morgan said. "
Mr. Morgan appears to be the game player who doesn't want the Lt. Govr ( aka Mimi from the Drew Carey show ) to join in the fun...very transparent that the Dems want the status quo so that cemetary votes, etal can continue to be counted.
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