Kevin, (5/30/2008 5:25:27 AM)

So now you have to let people assault you on the streets?
The DA should be proud that they had more than enough money to outlast this guy and railroad him into a plea.
What a crock. Other guy was drunk and high as I remember it, if not he was sure stupid for chasing around a fella with a gun. Idiot should have stayed in his car and he would still be alive. Beat on a guy almost 70 yrs old and you should get shot.

Michael Phillips, Tulsa (5/30/2008 6:35:15 AM)

The family member was the only one who mentioned the drugs and she was denying that it was true. Where was the mention of the alchol. Thanks for the coverage Tulsa World. Kevin, I too remember the issue of the meth. and the 0.08 alcohol level that was in the deceased's blood stream. He was supposed to be a designated driver. This story made no sense to me before I learned of the results of the blood test. If I am angry enough to chase someone in a parking lot, and I have never been that angry, I will cool down quite fast when I see a hand gun pointed at me.
I was certain that information was going to come out that Mr. Gumm had somehow unintentionally provided evidence against himself when I read earlier that he was being prosecuted. I just knew there must have been more to the story.
Now I learn that Mr. Thorp considers, "misdemeanor assault and battery", on a 67 year old no big deal.

Isaac Parker, Tulsa (5/30/2008 6:37:20 AM)

Kevin, you got it right. The incompetant DA office should be ashamed for pursuing this case. Now we'll get to see how Okie justice works at sentencing time (Tulsa County District Judge William Kellough). When you have some drug crazed nut-case pusuing you in a road rage incident...don't defend yourself...let them kill you.

Graychin, Eucha (5/30/2008 7:39:11 AM)

Was Gumm on his way to the River Parks parking lot, or did he pull in there to confront Turney?

rod, (5/30/2008 8:55:40 AM)

This has to be a situation where the DA doesn't want to promote shooting in the streets, and Gumm will get a deferred sentence. And responding to an earlier comment. If BOTH of them had stayed in their car, a great deal more trouble could have been avoided.

RockBoston, (5/30/2008 8:58:19 AM)

This is why we have the concealed carry permit. It helps keep people that have no sense at the end of the gun. Honestly most people shoud see the gun and stop. If they don't stop they need a warning shot. If that dosen't get them to stop they probally need to be shot. All efforts to call police of flag someone down should happen first. The more people that witness the assault the better chance that your actions will be just fine.

RockBoston, (5/30/2008 11:07:54 AM)

Proud Democrat,,,,,you live in a Republican state. Cops feel safer when they pull soomeone over that has a concealed carry. They know that that person isn't going to hurt them. I read the story and I don't see where it says murdered anyone. He wasn't drunk with power. He excessivly defended himself. Would you rather he have been beaten? So you advocate violence against near 70 year olds? Had the man with the gun been beaten down you would be preaching a differnt story, that's what dumbocrats do. If you were being assaulted and you had a gun what would you do? Would you take it , or would you try to stop it?

michael andrew, (5/30/2008 1:02:28 PM)

TO PROUD DEMOCRAT IN OWASSO...
how would you feel if you were chased around your car & your life was threatened by a drunk who was also hopped up on meth? i suppose you wuld have just called 911 & waited on the police to arrive?
concealed carry wouldnt have applied to this guy because he was CLEET certified & could carry a gun anyhow!
typical liberal......

Sheynne, (5/30/2008 2:54:33 PM)

My thought exactly Graychin.
Even if he was goint to the parking lot he should have not pulled in he should have used cell phone which he probabaly had and called for help. If he felt he had to pull over why not somewhere populated like a QT or something. A parking lot, yeah they were pulling in to dike it out you can bet that was a huge mistake on both of their parts I think.

Sheynne, (5/30/2008 2:58:27 PM)

Duke it out,,,lol
I don't guess there were any dikes involved....

augustus, (5/30/2008 4:06:56 PM)

Gumm shot and killed an unarmed man. It was perpetrated in broad daylight with no less than 10 bystanders and 4 eyewitnesses. It was daylight and sunny. Eyewitness accounts say: Turney was angry and "school yard shoved" Gumm. Gumm was never in danger of being killed BECAUSE HE GOT OUT OF HIS CAR WITH A LOADED FIREARM COUPLED WITH THE TRAINING TO USE IT. People are up in arms because they believe this case is indicative of the government trying to infringe on their gun rights. This is not so. Justified shootings occur in Tulsa all the time, and the shooter is not charged. Guns are ok. This is Oklahoma. However, If you are going to use a firearm to defend yourself and kill an unarmed man, you better really understand the law. Make my day does not apply to this type of situation. Self-Defense, is based entirely on NECESSITY. Only one person has told the version of this event that has everyone up in arms and that is the version of the Defendant who has a self-interest. Four other uniterested eyewitnesses tell a version of what occurred that DOES NOT JUSTIFY the use of deadly force.

Crock, (5/30/2008 4:56:24 PM)

Crock
D A Tim Harris should know he does get my vote again for pursuing this noncase. Turney was drunk and driving and toxicology said on Meth,who knows for how many days.He had to be crazed and out of his mind to do what he did. What "GOOD" person follows a 68 yr. old man with health problems into a parking lot, blocks his car in so he cant get away,tells him he is history,(DEATH THREAT FOR YOU LIBERALS), backs the man around his car twice after the man pulls his gun ,Tells Turney he is going to shoot if he does not back off.Turney was just a hyped up bully. Case Closed. Gumm Not Guilty.

SamSpade, (5/30/2008 6:58:02 PM)

augustus, your statement about the eyewitnesses is untrue.

This is about a D.A. using unlimited budgets to force a plea deal. The D.A. can gamble with all these cases because if he loses he still gets to go home at night, but the defendant is gambling with his life.

Remember this D.A. was forced by a grand jury to try a homeless man that he believed used justifiable force.

We should not have to be afraid and run from the bullies that threaten us.

Michael Phillips, Tulsa (5/30/2008 7:37:27 PM)

Crock, did you leave a word out of your first sentence?

waynes world, (5/30/2008 7:55:22 PM)

Proud Democrat In Owasso, what a joke! The mistake this guy made was that he got out of his car and shot the guy instead of staying in the car and shooting him after he broke into his car.

Mr. Brown, (5/30/2008 9:07:10 PM)

Turney deserved to get shot for threatening and chasing a person who had already brandished the firearm. How foolish
and stupid can a person be?!
The real travesty is a person has seemingly lived a law-abiding life for 68 years may just die in prison for protecting himself.

cherry74129, (5/30/2008 9:48:50 PM)

I agree, Mr. Brown. I knew this family and this guy would not have harmed this guy if he didn't feel he was being threatened. The Turney's shouldn't be saying such foolish nonsense against Mr. Gumm. The Turney family should look in the mirror before slandering the Gumm family. Of all things, the Turney's protrayed themselves as good people when all along this guy was on meth. I don't feel the least bit sorry for the Turneys. I'm glad this sorry fool is gone and off my streets. I'd hate to have to run into him somewhere. You just don't know what kind of nutcases are out there driving in our streets. They should let Mr. Gumm go. It will be a shame to see him spend the rest of his life in jail.

TumblingDice, (5/30/2008 11:01:06 PM)

michael andrew,
TO PROUD DEMOCRAT IN OWASSO...
how would you feel if you were chased around your car & your life was threatened by a drunk who was also hopped up on meth? i suppose you would have just called 911 & waited on the police to arrive?

Hehe. And what would be wrong with doing exactly that? Too "wimpy" for ya?

ratandrea, (5/31/2008 10:18:40 AM)

I think it's absolutely ridiculous that Jack Thorpe is going to prosecute Mr. Gumm who is 67 and who felt physically threatened (and who was verbally threatened) by a man 20 years his junior! Why should Mr. Gumm wait to get his rear beat and possibly killed? Jack Thorpe says "...there was evidence that Bumm was not jusified, in the circumstances that existed, to use deadly force in defense of a misdemeanor assault and battery." How the heck does Jack Thorpe know what kind of beating it would have been? I applaud Mr. Gumm for not waiting to find out.

ratandrea, (5/31/2008 10:19:59 AM)

People should quit threatening other people, or at least they should be willing to face the consequences of their threats. You never know how your threat is perceived by the person you are threatening.

Crock, (5/31/2008 11:43:34 AM)

Michael Phillips you are correct, I did leave a word out of my comment in the first line. DA Harris WILL NOT get my vote. Why is he wasting taxpayers dollars on this case?

agent 99, (7/31/2008 4:48:58 PM)

Just curious.. are any of you racing for the position to make decisions for which you'll be criticized endlessly? Hello.. there has to be balance in the system. Debate on opposing stands is what makes this country the slight democracy it is, is it not? Why criticize the people who are doing their jobs maintaining that balance?? Argue and debate the facts and issues, but it is pointless and absurd to attack the people who stick their neck out to protect even the ungrateful citizens!