Kevin, (6/18/2008 4:01:49 AM)

They fed that guy way too long

Shooter, Tulsa (6/18/2008 5:35:25 AM)

Kevin I agree with you 100% how much tax money was wasted on keeping this guy around as long as we did. This one was quick though only 11 years after his conviction. There are some that are kept alive 20 or more years. What a waste of taxpayer money.

angryman9, (6/18/2008 7:35:45 AM)

Unfortunately we can't do this in England. The death penalty is a deterrent and offers closure to the victims.
In england the taxpayer has to pay for incarceration and entertainment for life for killers.
You have it right in oklahoma, we have it wrong in the UK.

alzbeta, (6/18/2008 8:55:03 AM)

You sound very hateful and evil. I'm sure God is looking down on you and is very proud of what he has created...NOT! In case you've forgotten, the faith that this nation so strongly espouses and that you guys down South preach to high heavens is rooted in forgiveness and not death. As far as I remember, Christ didn't go around killing sinners. And it seems the nations that allow it nowadays tend to have repressive communist or fundementalist Islamic governments. As for the death penalty being a deterrent, the latest FBI homicide report found that violent crime went down everywhere in the U.S. except for the South (where it actually increased) in 2007 despite the South's religious use of the death penalty. How bout them apples. Have a great hate-filed life.

dwhitney, Tulsa (6/18/2008 9:12:29 AM)

Dear alzbeta,

What people like you don't understand is it's not about hate. There are some people on earth that need to be killed. I would love to see how you would respond after someone killed the person that you love the most.

And this garbage about "God" looking down is a load of junk. Where is he looking down from? Heaven? I don't think the scientist have found that planet yet. Maybe he is on Jupiter or Mars. People are so stupid. 100 years from now I hope that mankind will know that all religions (all created by man) are lies ment to make people behave.

RockBoston, (6/18/2008 9:20:44 AM)

alzbeta you just called the Federal goverment either communist or fundementalist. Please exit the nearest check point and leave this country. You and your anti American ideas are not welcome here.
3 years would be long enough on death row. kill them all fast and get it done with.

RockBoston, (6/18/2008 9:23:08 AM)

dwhitney---people need religion to have some hope. I realize they are created by man. Heck most of the bible is scientificly impossible, but it makes people feel better. Those that preach not stop will never open their own ideas to free thinkig. Count yourself one of the few that can think for themselves and welcome.

ol'wood, (6/18/2008 9:49:55 AM)

What about the people that are proven innocent after 20 yrs of incarceration? Have we killed innocent people? Think people, there are flaws in our courts. And once a D.A. has it in their mind a man is guilty, they go all out to show his guilt. I have watched a man and his family suffer through the hands of Tim Harris's office. After three years of prison, the real person was found and prosecuted. Did he and his family receive any compensation? Well he got free room and board for the 1000+ days of his living Hell. So, remember there are flaws in our courts.

RockBoston, (6/18/2008 10:06:37 AM)

ol'wood---your right there are flaws in the system, but with DNA technology coming into it's own, we are fifnally getting it right. If DNA and eyewintess say you did it, and your found guilty in court then why should we pay their way for 20 years? Thats the big question. I know many cases have been turned over by DNA from the past. Well now s the present and hopefully we don't make as manyn mistakes as we have done. Some of these scum on death row are multiple felons anyway, so should at the very least have life in prison for other things.

H_Harl, (6/18/2008 2:47:39 PM)

Well, this guy will never firebomb another apartment building. That is a fact. So, I guess it IS a deterrent. They need to move on to the next one in line.

jb783, (6/18/2008 5:14:06 PM)

The fact that he firebombed the building in the first place would seem to suggest that capital punishment is not a deterrent. Will he be prevented from doing it again? Yes, but it's pretty apparent he wasn't deterred.

H_Harl, (6/18/2008 5:54:55 PM)

It's a pretty safe bet that he'll be deterred from killing anyone else. Society becomes a tiny bit safer, when people like him are taken out of it, permanently.

thinker, (6/18/2008 6:20:00 PM)

Mr. Lightning
You really need to relax.
Once again we have to relive history. I wasn't there...you weren't there. I never stole, I am not a murderer, I have never tortured anyone, never owned a slave and since you haven't been to heaven to ask God the requirements in person- I feel assured that my relationship with God is secure-
you have no idea my bloodlines. And if the good ole USA doesn't suit ya you are free to leave. People like you perpetuate problems. You don't have to believe in the death penalty- that is your right too. But it is the right of others to believe in it.
By the way, I don't abuse the EArth either...what have you done lately to save the Earth?
Your argument is old...stale....and please ...a little immature. I mean that in the most kind way I can say it.

thinker, (6/18/2008 7:29:46 PM)

IT is not a fact that I am a murderer, torturer, thief etc. That is the part everyone is so sick of hearing. I cannot change the past anymore than you can- I wasn't there. To continue that argument does absolutely nothing for either. I am not immature. You use phrases like "hahaha"...that sir is not mature. You ramble insteading stating facts....all you did was rant about white men (with many misspellings) that is the immature aspect of your thoughts. It is also quiet ignorant to state someone won't get into heaven...you sir do not make that judgement. I don't know what God you worship and I don't particularly care, but I know mine. I believe people should pay for their crimes....and yes I know there were crimes against Native Americans- however I don't think we can try people for their ancestors crimes....you know your family could be guilty of some wrongdoing as well- should we try you for that? But today we have technology to support the guilt of someone...when that is there and the crime is heinous then the death penalty might be appropriate. There is absolutely nothing either of us can do about the past- except not to repeat it- I cannot ask forgiveness for something i did not do. What is the point of going on and on and on and on about the something that we cannot change now-everything that happens in this world is not the result of how Native Americans were treated. How come you say Indian? isn't that derogatory?

thinker, (6/18/2008 7:38:29 PM)

I am not quite sure why you would assume I was for or against Johnson vs Mcintosh....it has nothing to do with death penalty, or me being guilty of anything.....which is what you stated. When you include all people in a statement you should be careful. Please do not assume things about me. There is absolutely nothing in that document that backs up your hateful words toward a group of people..the people of today....your feelings are misplaced....I have done nothing to you or anyone else.

thinker, (6/18/2008 7:52:16 PM)

It is hard to follow your reasoning so I won't try. I am sorry you are so filled with hate....yes hate. You know nothing of my culture or me. So, I wish you peace somehow in your life.....You are part of this culture too sir. I am not superior or a bully....I do not spew hatred. Your comparison is apple and oranges. Good evening.

thinker, (6/18/2008 7:53:29 PM)

criminals aren't exactly innocent citizens.

thinker, (6/18/2008 7:55:03 PM)

who did the land belong to before you came? just curious if you know that answer....

thinker, (6/18/2008 8:20:58 PM)

It explains a lot when you say you are not Christian...but I don't understand why you talk of God if you are not Christian...isn't that contradictory? It doesn't matter we do not agree on many things. I am still wondering if you are truly indegenious to this land? I know your ancestors were here before mine (I assume so anyway) but where did the Native American come from originally?
I own my land. I paid for it.
I agree that wrongs were committed but you live by the "kill the messenger" motto.
As far as I know things have been done to make amends- education, health care and other things, even housing....No it doesn't change everything but it is a start and a effort....
This country is not perfect by any means but I was born an American..this is my home just as it is yours....we have to go on from here. I can't change the past....neither can you....I just hope that doesn't stop you from having a future.....filled with hope.

thinker, (6/18/2008 9:38:33 PM)

You were talking of God...not the creator....God is God....your creator may be someone else I don't know. However, you can't be Christian if you don't believe in Christ....but I agree you can believe in a creator without being Christian but I don't think it would be God- in my sense of what God is.

to answer your analogy...I guess it would depend on if you truly owned the car or if it was just there and you assumed it was yours because you saw it first.You know it was just there and you didn't really purchase it but since no one else was there....well heck it must be yours. Makes as much sense. Why do you own the land? Doesn't the creator own the land? if that is so we are both out of bounds huh????? I believe if you look into history you will find proof that perhaps the American Indians quite possibly came from Mongolia and other places across the Bering sea.....so lets not play semantics...we all came from somewhere....you don't believe it because that would mean you aren't NATIVE as you claim. Whatever your reasons for perpetuating this doesn't matter. I am sure that American Indians are not completely innocent of killing people either....and remember you said no one should kill. We need to move on with the world and learn from it....WE CANNOT GO BACK and people aren't going to beg your forgiveness for something they did not do. I dont' even care where my ancestors came from...I am from here. I was born here and this is my country. Just remember when Alquaida takes over as you say...it will be taking you over too. I feel bad that you are soooooo bitter. I think it really must affect your life and your health. I know I have seen your postings for a while and you would bring this up in every story as if it is all connected back to you. I will have nothing about murder, thievery, slavery etc to answer for when I meet my God....I wasn't part of that.

PPilot, Tulsa (6/19/2008 7:19:24 AM)

alzbeta, would care to join the real world and leave that sugar-coated life going on inside your little pointed head? Here's a little scenario for your Barbie Doll® world: lets let a cold-blooded killer set one of your loved ones on fire, then instead of putting them down, (like we should any rabid, muderous animal) we put them in prison for life. Except this time, we let YOU pay for keeping them comfortable, fed, and entertained for the rest of their oxygen-stealing lives. Maybe you would set them free after a few years so they could have another go at murder. Maybe then, they could take out multiples of your loved-ones...knowing that, if caught, they'd never have to worry about being put down. An eye for an eye!

michael andrew, (6/19/2008 9:29:52 AM)

ALZBETA,
gods word says you will be judged by the fruit you bear,
you are also supposed to follow the laws of the land.
the bible states an eye for an eye.
what is so hard to understand about that?
we dont hate people, we just feel that if you take a life yours will be taken, just as the bible states.

thinker, (6/19/2008 12:33:03 PM)

The law of the land is clear- if you murder someone YOU may have to die for that crime.....

Bee, (6/19/2008 1:33:45 PM)

wow, I'm amazed at all the negativity from Mr. Lightning. I'm also wondering where all of the backing of the Native Americans is coming from, because if he was a Native American, he would know that a lot of the tribes nowadays have their own govenrning system, with all sorts of ways of supporting their people. Of course there is no restitution to our ancestors, who had to go throught the forced removal of their people from their lands, but now, YEARS later, the Native American people are able to support themselves and are very involved in government relations. There are gaming pacts, there is aid available for housing, healthcare, schooling, even food! I am Cherokee and very proud of my ancestors and my people in today's world. What happened to my elders all those years ago was wrong without a doubt, but everyone alive at that time is no longer alive today. We as a people, as a tribe, have come a long way and as long as we are treated fairly in our time, today, then we have been successful in moving forward in the way that we treat one another.

Bee, (6/19/2008 2:04:50 PM)

There will always be someone somewhere doing bad things to somebody. There is "meaness" all over the world, not just "usa oklahoma". The most we can do is make a positive difference in the lives of those around us in any way we can. We have to teach our children how to act, how to treat others. We have to be positive role models, which means that we have to have positive attitudes and live in a way so that people notice us because of the positive outlook and attitude we have, the way we positively affect others, encourage others, lift others up............I don't know how anyone could do that without believing in God, or at least a higher power of some sort. Have you ever witnessed a miracle Mr. Lightning?