HexKeySet, (8/6/2008 11:13:05 PM)

"The sponsor of the legislation, Rep. Randy Terrill, R-Moore, was unavailable for comment on Wednesday. "

Him and Kern were probably out planning a klan meeting.

Daven, Tulsa (8/6/2008 11:24:32 PM)

Thats because the majority of Hispanics are not illegal. Duh.

ADD, (8/6/2008 11:45:53 PM)

It's obvious that these hispanics are reproducing like rabbits.

Dazed and confused, tulsa (8/7/2008 12:10:54 AM)

Its because of idiots that don't enforce or follow the laws.
& yes, the majority of hispanics in Tulsa are illegal. its not that hard to figure out. When they frequently change their names, or dont have proper ID, or get a different SS#. yes, they are illegal.

Isaac Parker, Tulsa (8/7/2008 5:33:43 AM)

The ILLEGALS bring the following to Oklahoma and the US...

- Crime and gang activity from Mexico, Central and South America
- Dope for our kids (yes, our kids are dopers; Mexican drug cartels own the border)
- Fill our jails, schools, hospitals, and loot our social services, costing BILLIONS
- Pockets of poverty in our neighborhoods
- Unlicensed, uninsured drivers
- Unending supply of illegal labor, deflating wages for US workers
- Security risks to the US due to uncontrolled border
- Identity theft
- Disease: A rare strain of tuberculosis called Mycobacterium bovis

US citizens (YOU) are footing the bill for this nonsense. The federal government is inept and unmotivated in controlling the flow of ILLEGALS. It's up to the
State of Oklahoma to protect it's citizens.

The vast majority of Oklahomans support HB 1804.

systemic, (8/7/2008 7:47:23 AM)

Hisoanics are harder workers; they show up to work on time, and don't quit; they do a good job at a job most citizens disdain. That's the issue...they do the jobs that teenagers and convicted felons used to do. Who would you rather have as an employee?

Bluebird48, Sand Springs (8/7/2008 8:02:00 AM)

As long as they are LEGAL who cares if they RISE.
US still needs to get ALL ILLEGALS OUT!

Hijinx, (8/7/2008 8:02:49 AM)

"Not all Hispanic groups have higher birth rates, but immigrants from those areas tend to come from a rural background where Catholicism and families are emphasized, she said."

Immigrants?? You mean ILLEGAL aliens! While a religion might condone a bunch a babies, The real reason is anchor baby’s allow them to stay and run up the cost to everybody else. This practice needs to stop!

Get Real!, (8/7/2008 9:30:19 AM)

Listen folks. I don't like having to communicate with someone who can barely speak the language. I don't like getting into a car accident with someone without insurance. I don't like a lot of the things that illegals bring to Oklahoma. However, I can go all day without thinking about it. I lose no sleep over the illegal immigrant children that my kids play with at the park. I don't think twice about stopping at the local taco truck to get a snack. I just don't care that much. There are more problems in this state arising from our own citizens. I have more issues with Oklahoma's own than my latino neighbors.

I understand why they come here. I would do the exact same thing if I were in their position. And most of you would also, I am sure. When your back is against the wall and there is no practical legal way to get here to feed your family...you just do what you have to do.

All I ask is that they learn rudimentary english and get their kids into school so that the next generation will have fewer problems assimilating. And please get some auto insurance.

:), (8/7/2008 9:32:08 AM)

You feel that Hispanics are a "subhuman species"? Thad, I'm pretty sure that's the definition of a racist. Wow, how do people like you survive in this big colorful world?

TGIF, Tulsa (8/7/2008 9:34:15 AM)

I have no problem with any race as long as they are legal and follow the same rules we do. I was in an accident with a hispanic male, his fault did a couple of thousand dollars damage to my car but guess what he was not legal and had no insurnace so guess whos insurance had to pay yes mine. Makes me want to scream...my insurance company is sueing for the money but do you think they will ever see a dime, yeah right. He's probably changed his name by now....it's just not fair to us that work hard and pay our bills to watch them be here taking advantage of our sytem and WE pay for them...

:), (8/7/2008 9:48:49 AM)

Surely you don't believe that only undocumented Hispanics drive without auto insurance or visit the hospital without health insurance.

chase, (8/7/2008 10:56:42 AM)

getreal,no legal way to get here,how did all the others get here,by going be the rules not breaking the law,so your saying you would break the law, I don't really think you would,my point is go by the rules and you are welcome.with insurance.

RockBoston, (8/7/2008 11:17:51 AM)

I can't beleive they would delete my comments even when I kept them clean this time. I geuss people don't like the truth.

D.Boone, (8/7/2008 11:36:14 AM)

To dwhitney
EXCELLENT POST.

Okie99, (8/7/2008 11:51:29 AM)

This is what happens when we pass laws that do nothing to punish those who are here illegally and everything to punish Oklahoman's for just being good people.
If I give my (illegal) co-worker a ride home instead of making him walk in the street.....
If I offer him shelter for the night instead of making him sleep on the street..... (unlikely scenarios....but still)

So *I* should be punished for what equates to just being a good person? Illegal or not, they are HUMAN BEINGS.
I am not saying that we start a witch hunt but let's just enforce the laws we already have in place, police the border and stop passing new, unnecessary and ineffective laws.

chase, (8/7/2008 12:21:25 PM)

rockboston don't feel like the lone ranger it has happened to me ,though we tend to diagree with each other you have the right to be heard,post it again.

Get Real!, (8/7/2008 1:02:50 PM)

Chase:

I meant exactly what I said. If I was stuck in some thirld world country and couldnt support my family, I would do whatever it takes to take care of them. If that meant breaking the immigration laws of another country, then so be it. My family comes before the border.

And if I got caught, I understand I would suffer the consequences. If I was deported, I would do just like the rest and come back for more.

It is no different than breaking the law everyday by speeding or rolling through a stop sign. These infractions are merely malum prohibitum, not malum in se. I would take the risk of braeking the law until the consequences outweighed the benefit. Right now, the benefit prevails.

Whodatt_99, (8/7/2008 2:39:57 PM)

Illegal is illegal is illegal. If you came into our country illegally, you have broken the law and need to be deported. You may have committed document fraud too by using a false SS # or getting a fake drivers license, etc. It would be extremely difficult to deport 20 million illegals, so the easiest way is to take away the freebies they are getting in our country and not make a baby a US Citizen just because they were born here. The average illegal is a negative $22k per year impact on our government budget. We were building roofs, landscaping, and running restaurants for 200 years before the ILLEGAL aliens came here and we did just fine. I am not biggoted in the least, that's a cheap copout by the liberals - just do some name calling and you don't have to really debate an issue with facts. Come to our country LEGALLY and learn English and I support you 100% - I'll even give you a ride to work.

spd13151, Tulsa (8/7/2008 5:40:27 PM)

Get real! It's bad enough we put everything in Spanish, keeping the hispanics from learning English as quickly. Now we have to know Latin, too! Scribo ergo legis. And theology. Anyway, I can't blame iimmigrants for wanting to feed their families. Mexico's failure to provide for its citizens may not be their fault. But it isn't ours, either. We have the right to limit immigration to what our society can absorb and support.

TotheCurb, (8/7/2008 7:18:05 PM)

Two flaws are apparent in this report. Number 1, it is only within the article that we see these figures represent hispanics who were here before 1804 went into effect Number 2, it is amazing how the mainstream media (which I will include the TW) present these types of articles as though the change in demographics is a legitimate change. Our demographics have changed because we have a corrupt government that represents the chambers of commerce and multi-national corporations and they have planned for years to open our borders with no regard to what American citizens wish or what the U.S. Constitution requires. The contempt and arrogance displayed toward American citizens by the elites never fails to amaze me. Guess they know that most of us are asleep in front of our tv sets or out to the ball game.l

Brittanicus, (8/7/2008 7:34:13 PM)

The American people must stop complaining about the illegal alien pestilence and actually do something about it????

We know this will be a major issue, in the coming November general election. There is a good chance hundreds of thousands of illegal foreign nationals will violate the law and vote. Democrats have thwarted any chance of voting officers, requiring a governmental picture ID from participants. Each day citizens are slain on the roads of America, by drunk illegal drivers. Then we have the street gangs protected by 'Sanctuary cities' like Los Angeles. The unsuppressed news reports will tell you about the child pedophiles, female assaults, murders, robbers and Social security theft. Biased national newspapers do not reveal the truth of the daily slaughter on our roads.

Our government secretly skims from your payroll checks, 356 billion dollars annually to support the illegal immigration occupation of our nation. Unfortunately this is not all, because this doesn't take into account expenditure on education, health care or our overcrowded prison system. Nor does it count for each state, county, city welfare programs.

It is all encompassing your Jobs and economic growth, energy independence, health care access, education and an overcrowded prison system. All these issues are impacted by the 12 to 30 million illegal immigration invasion. Remember the new President will enact a massive AMNESTY, then that promotes an open-door for millions more to come; compliments of the Globalists who want the free movement of cheap labor throughout the North American Continent.

Illegal immigration has depressed wages, because predatory employers are hiring illegal cheap labor and ignoring citizens and legal residents. Both McCain and Obama just don't get it, that 80 percent of the American people are furious with supporting the 12 to 30 million illegal aliens who have invaded this sovereign country. The cost is astronomical according to (eagleforum.) Read unsuppressed facts at NUMBERSUSA. CAPSWEB We have only one chance of stopping OVERPOPULATION within 20 years?

TotheCurb, (8/7/2008 9:07:23 PM)

Brittanicus, you are so right - Americans who care must come together and do something besides talk. However, I am not hopeful that will happen. For a time, there was an active group of patriots fighting against illegal immigration in Tulsa and Oklahoma, but our numbers were minimal and I am afraid, for all the talk, most Americans just will not step up to the plate. We have reached the tipping point and it must be now or never. Our opportunities to turn this thing around are slipping through our fingers and time is not on our side.

Caitlin, (8/8/2008 12:11:03 AM)

Haskell Cherry, I don't think you understand the undertaking of removing all the "free ride" aspects of society you speak of.. Can you afford to send your child to a school that would be as expensive or more so than Cascia? American citizens living on a tight budget cannot afford what you speak of IE privatized schools; there would have to be give somewhere; something would have to be free to accommodate.

I think if only one county in our state is above 20% Hispanic (most, contrary to popular thinking, are documented, like the article says) we're doing well. Los Angeles has a 45% Hispanic population, and that's just the estimated undocumented residents. I feel like our state has depended on undocumented workers and hard-working legal Hispanic workers for longer than anyone is willing to admit, and now for some reason with HB 1804, they're ignorantly biting the hand that feeds. When the government begins to pay a living wage people can actually live on for jobs illegal immigrants do such as hard labor, then you no longer have a problem because those jobs will be filled, less opportunity is here in our state, illegals go elsewhere, and we can then focus on foreign aid where it is needed instead of complaining about petty things like a 5% Hispanic population. Everyone wins.