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Law would pay off $60,000 in law school debt



By Associated Press


OKLAHOMA CITY — A federal law awaiting President Bush's signature will allow Oklahoma prosecutors and public defenders to retain more qualified, dedicated attorneys who are saddled with law school debt, legal officials say.

The John R. Justice Prosecutors and Defenders Act would repay up to $60,000 in law school loans for lawyers who agree to work for a district attorney or public defender office for at least three years.

Participants in the program would be limited to $10,000 in government repayment during any year, up to the overall maximum.

Oklahoma County's Chief Public Defender Robert Ravitz and District Attorney David Prater both say the measure will help them keep lawyers who otherwise might find themselves having to go into higher-paying private practice jobs to pay down their loans.

"After a year or two, for really top-notch people, we can't match anywhere close to the salaries they'll make in private firms," Ravitz said. "A lot of good people have flat-out told me, 'We love working here, but our student loans are such that, even though we're willing to work for less money, because we like doing what we're doing, we can't afford to live in a decent apartment or a decent house.'"

Ravitz said private law school tuition may cost $100,000 to $150,000, with state law school debt running $40,000 to $75,000 or so.

Ravitz said an entry-level public defender in his office is paid $38,000 a year.

"The real problem is the two-to-four-year lawyer that in my office is maybe making $42,000
or $43,000 or $44,000, where in private practice, they might be making $50,000 or $55,000 or even higher," he said.

Prater said the measure would benefit his office in both recruitment and retention, although he has been able to attract outstanding law graduates to serve as assistant district attorneys.

"This would open up the possibility of public-service work in the DA's office to those students that otherwise would be precluded from working here, because they could not afford to pay their student loans, due to our salary limitations," he said.

Prater said having the burden of student loans at least partially relieved would help him retain assistant DAs after they have three years or so of experience under their belts, lawyers who might choose to become career prosecutors.

Prater said an entry-level attorney salary in his office for a new attorney who has just passed the bar exam is $37,500. After three years, he said, salaries go up to about $48,000.


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What a surprise, attorneys passing legislation to get their loans paid off.
ok sooner, (2 years ago)
I am not a lawyer I am a cop. I know how hard it is for the DA and PD to keep good people. When a lawyer comes out of law school they owe aroung 100,000 in student loans. I always hear how poor teachers are but when comparied to spendable income thay make a lot more and have three months a year that they can have a second job. This is a good bill that is needed.
okpaul, (2 years ago)
We also need to remember, if you are a teacher and you work in a low income school you can qualify to have part of your student loan debt paid. Most hospital and medical groups also will pay the student loans of doctors and nurses as part of their compensation package.
The Lunch Lady, Tulsa (2 years ago)
$37,500 is $18 an hour. $48,000 is $23 an hour.

My hair stylist makes double that an hour.

Incredible for a job that requires a four year degree plus a three year law degree.
ok sooner, (2 years ago)
if we don't have a court system then we have Anarchy. we need lawyers to make the court system work. i, as a tax payer, want good lawyers in the court system not bad ones. you get what you pay for.
Well sooner, start paying them more!

I suspect the reason they are handling it through school loan payment is because if they just gave them an additiona $10k per year, they still wouldn't pay their loans. Is that correct councilor in my district? You know who you are.

Why don't they put the money towards reducing the court load? A few years ago, the average annual income for all attorneys who were members of the oklahoma bar association was about $35,000.

I liked the comparison to teaching, if you knew what it paid when you majored in history, then you are meeting your goals.
zzx375, (2 years ago)
Interesting article but it, unfortunately, raises more questions than it answers.

How was the cited corollation between dedication and high qualification versus higher pay measured?

How much "first chair" court time has an attorney who has just passed the bar acquired anyway? By what manner was this three year employment selected? One year for every year of law school?

At the end of the program, what will be the primary yardstick for determing whether or not the program met its objectives?

Why not a percentage per year worked paid off, with complete payoff in five years?
honky donkey, (2 years ago)
This seems to be the way of the special-interest groups. Does anyone out there really wonder why our government and economy is in the shape it is?
justiceleague, (2 years ago)
Some of you have a very stereotypical view of attorneys. I know an attorney who has worked in both private practice and as a prosecutor and he would go back to prosecution in a heartbeat if there were the incentive of being able to pay off the student loans that he was forced to take on in order to complete law school while raising children. He doesn't like crimina defense work and he truly enjoys having a hand in putting away the criminals. He has to take an occasional criminal case because that's where the money is. He had the guts to work hard to pull himself out of a poor home and if he could get his student loans paid off would be an amazing asset to prosecution. Don't lump them all together. They aren't all crooks and out to get whatever they can.

Your statement about medical school repayment shows how truly out of touch you are. Most rural doctors DO get their medical school expenses repaid.

As a teacher, I would love to get my student loans repaid. Can someone tell me how to do that? My student loans are too old for any program I can find.
QLC, (2 years ago)
Talk about out of touch, nobody is "forced" to take out a loan.
ok sooner, (2 years ago)
I hear most of the people posting say: that if you are a public servant then you should starve to death. Oklahoma pays its public servants next to nothing and that is one of the reasons we have the problems we have. No one goes into public work thinking I will get rich. But public servants should be able to raise our family and have a middle class life.

And yes the only state law school will not let people work while in law school. Tulsa and OCU have night programs but can you afford 25,000 a year in school cost and pay your bills?
SO IF ONE IS GOING TO LAW SCHOOL THEN ONE IS GOING TO BORROW THE MONEY.

As far as lawyers from years past they did not have to go to law school. They could clerk under a lawyer and then take the bar. We do not live in those times and that is not the system we have today.

If you like to see people arrested and sent to prison. Then we must have a court system and if we have a court system then we need lawyers.
QLC, (2 years ago)
sooner, i am very conflicted on this.

in the first place, i would double teachers's salaries, and give hard looks to other public servants as priority candidates for significant raises.

On the other hand, these future public servants knew the salaries when they chose the professions. So, why should I deny them the poverty that they sought out in college?

I really don't understand how college isn't free. Harvard has enough endowments that they could never charge tuition again and never run out. Surely with all of the donations, they could ease the burden on the students, but instead they want football facilities.

The math in this article doesn't add up. Why would someone sign up to have $10,000 per year of a loan forgiven and make $35,000 when they could easily make double that salary, pay the 10,000 themselves and not have the government running your life.

Perhaps the people in government law are their for a reason...
wk, (2 years ago)
It's all supply and demand. The poorer performing students most often (not always) end up in the DA and PD offices. The better studens make more $ because they work harder and have better intellect. We don't need to start writing laws to reward mediocrity. The other fact is that lawyers don't make as much money as people think because their are too many of them. Again, let's not encourage more people to get a degree where there is no real demand to do so.
B52, (2 years ago)
WK, if the poorer performing students end up in the DA or PD offices, then how come our prisons are overflowing? Remember, these criminals have the "better students" that have the "better intellect", according to you, representing them in the courtroom. Believe it or not, there's a vast number of people in our society that become public servants to serve their fellow man, you know, try to contribute to making this country the best for all. And thank God for those answering that call.
Tony G, (2 years ago)
I don't doubt is necessary, but seems one sided, Why not make the same deal with ALL college educated govt employees.
zzx375, (2 years ago)
There seems to be a presumption here that giving new attorney's a means to be rid of all or some of their law school loan debt will raise the quality of the trial process, yet I have not seen hard, rigorous data to support such a presumption. Touchy, feely is fine but if you can't measure it, you can't manage it and large numbers such as those cited by the Congressional Budget Office need management.

How about the American Bar Association funding part or all of this program for 2008 - 2012?

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