Tony G, Tulsa (11/18/2008 6:02:10 AM)

In my opinion--ORU should be burned to the ground. It has been a blight on Tulsa ever since Oral started begging for money, remember when he said--if I don't raise 8 million dollars
God will take me to heaven--or some such silliness . Remember what they did to Carlton Pierson?
Why is it--when a man can't do anything useful--they preach Jesus.
remember--even the KKK think they are doing God's work.

dwhitney, Tulsa (11/18/2008 7:51:00 AM)

Tony G.

You hit the nail on the head. "When men can't do anything useful they preach" Could not have said it better. And usually they preach to people that are so Heavenly minded they are of no earthly good! Darwin, science, fossils, evolution, religion.......which one doesn't fit

Graychin, Eucha (11/18/2008 8:41:55 AM)

The $70 million put out the worst of the fires, but it's already gone. Now what?

Back in the day, the OR Evangelistic Association used to support the University heavily - a monthly check of at least six figures. Now the OREA tax returns show that it can't even cover its own expenses - mostly TV production and sustaining Richard and Lindsay's lifestyle. If it ever has available funds again, what are the chances that Richard would donate them to ORU?

Even though Richard is officially divorced from ORU, he is still linked there in the mind of the public. As Richard's ministry continues its death spiral, the reputation of ORU will continue to diminish. Has the ORU death spiral already begun?

Tony, you're going to get your wish eventually, but it won't be anything as dramatic as a fire. "This is the way the world ends... Not with a bang but a whimper." (The Hollow Men, T. S. Eliot)

Original Floyd R Turbo, Between Ego and Egypt (11/18/2008 9:21:28 AM)

Tony G, why do you think that Christians are okay to paint with the broadest brush possible? To say something similar about Muslims or their imams would gather outraged comments from liberal posters on this site like a Roger Mills County barbed wire fence gathers tumbleweeds. --- ORU has some dedicated folks teaching hundreds of the best of our young people in a principled way. Change the name! Anytime a preacher names something after himself, one must wonder if he's lost sight of the goal. The University has long gone beyond the ego of its founder. What better way than with a new name to exemplify its mission.

Proud Muslim, Tulsa: Coolest place in the world (almost) (11/18/2008 9:30:03 AM)

"Darwin, science, fossils, evolution, religion.......which one doesn't fit"
I want to say Darwin and evolution, but that's my opinion.

Graychin, Eucha (11/18/2008 9:36:55 AM)

Typro! Good job! I KNEW that you were capable of doing something besides bashing Democrats.

Basil, Tulsa (11/18/2008 10:05:06 AM)

Despite the association with the dying Robert's dynasty, ORU has been an excellent academic institution overall. Most of the faculty, who represent a diverse range of Christian groups, have always been at odds with the former administration and only a handful subscribe to the false prosperity/health and wealth gospel. I attended ORU 2 1/2 years and, in what might seem like an unlikely journey, discovered the "deeper well" of Orthodox Christian faith while a student there. As students,we were free to fully explore issues more thoroughly than can sometimes be done by students in the excessively politically-correct state schools.

Watch Ben Stein's "Expelled" to see how academically anemic many U.S. schools have become, under the yoke of secular thought police. It's outrageous how dumbed down many institution have become--as a professor, if you don't tow the positions that in en vogue with the academic establishment at the moment, you can kiss tenure and likely your job goodbye.

dwhitney, Tulsa (11/18/2008 3:44:02 PM)

Proud Muslim probably thinks the earth is flat to. Some people truely amaze me

Proud Muslim, Tulsa: Coolest place in the world (almost) (11/18/2008 3:55:11 PM)

Lol, no, dwhitney, the world was proven to be round a long time ago. Try to keep up.

Bullhead, Nicut (11/18/2008 9:39:02 PM)

ROFLMAO, WilliamJohn! True dat. And probably just about time too.

Tony G, Tulsa (11/19/2008 5:58:58 AM)

---Tony G, I think you must be a "closet" Christian. No sane man could believe as you say You do

But, if I'm wrong about your secret Faith...in the mean time You make a fine evangelist for the works of darkness in this world.---

You don't understand--ORU sent my sister a letter right after her daughter was killed by a hit and run driver--the letter stated--if she donates $5000.00 they will pray my nieces soul into heaven.
My niece was 2.

So HE!! yes--I don't think much of ORU

would YOU--under these circumstances?

Basil, Tulsa (11/19/2008 1:42:11 PM)

Tony G,

No such letter ever existed, because the idea of praying souls into heaven is completely foreign to Pentecostal/charismatic Christian groups. The administration does teach heterodox things, so we don't need to invent stories to criticize them. The health and wealth gospel is a sham, a gospel of man.

Tony G, Tulsa (11/19/2008 1:56:14 PM)

Look--
I don't care what fantasies you care to secure your beliefs with.
The letter incident happened many years ago -- but --IT DID HAPPEN

You guys need to tell my sister--it didn't happen!!!

Then let me ask YOU a question--long long would you keep a letter like that.
My sister found it disgusting, as do I.

Believe in ORU--but just don't say--I didn't warn you.

Tony G, Tulsa (11/19/2008 2:09:07 PM)

Doty--Joe Allen wrote

---According to Tony G's profile page, "Churches: 'are for other people'." Apparently, he does not even believe in Jesus. ----

Jesus, had many wise sayings which I have taken to heart, but so have many others.
I abandoned religion in favor of spirituality.
Tulsa library has a great selection of books on God and the Spirit, I suggest you check them out and stop limiting your views

Basil, Tulsa (11/20/2008 9:17:49 AM)

If there is no truth, then we can piece together any philosophical system that helps us get through life, but maybe there is a real God, Who has revealed Himself to us in some way. We should spend some time searching for truth, not just resign ourselves to find our own path, which normally just leads us in circles.

observer 12, (11/26/2008 10:35:27 PM)

Wow, Tony G, I'm so enlightened now that you've led me to open my mind! Enjoy your bellbottoms, peace signs and tie-dyed shirts as you go out and protest the war. Don't commit to anything and just keep going about being tossed by the waves of ever-changing science and public opinion. As you attempt to be open-minded, your ignorance bubbles to the surface!