seymore1965, Tulsa (5/27/2009 6:44:25 PM)

Cops trying to push their way around. Makes me sick.

out east, Inola (5/27/2009 6:54:54 PM)

If this story weren't in print I would not beleive it. What a waste of tax-payer dollars. This is absurd.

Bullhead, Nicut (5/27/2009 7:02:48 PM)

I seen this on the news. It's just plain pitiful when two professions act like kindergarteners on the playground fighting over who gets the swing first. Looks like a case of hard head vs. hard head. Why didn't the ambulance run hot if the patient was so bad that they couldn't yield? Why wasn't the trooper running hot if his emergency was that important?

No one should be ticketed unless they can decide one call was more important than the other.

Shooter, Tulsa (5/27/2009 7:06:23 PM)

Hired Gun
The Troopers actions were anything but professional. They were trying to get a women medical attention, she was on her way to the hospital and this numb nut Trooper wanted to write him a "Failure to yield ticket"??? Are you kidding me. I usually support our law enforcement for thier dangerous and important job they do. However this Trooper is a disgrace to law enforcement. His arrogance got in the way of someones well being. He could of followed the ambulance to the hospital and continued his ticket writing there. It just goes to show that Troopers are more concerned with writing tickets than they are with someones welfare.

NOT JADED, Tulsa (5/27/2009 7:20:09 PM)

Lawsuit. Deserved one too.

HiredGun, (5/27/2009 7:24:59 PM)

First, the ambulance had no sirens or lights on. Second, the trooper was running with his lights on responding to a call to back up fellow officers in need of assistance on a felony arrest and the ambulance failed to yield to the trooper (time wasted by a trooper responding to a call for back-up could be the difference between life or death to a fellow officer.... that is why we are supposed to yield to law enforcement officers with their lights on .... any delay could be the difference between life or death).
Third, the internet video does not have contain the full video of the entire incident from start to finish. Finally, if you listen to the video you will hear the officer, after he is finally told that someone is actually in the rear of the ambulance that the paramedic needs to get in the ambulance and take the person to the hospital first. Funny thing is ... on the video the trooper has to tell the paramedic to calm down and take the patient to the hospital a second time because the paramedic wanted to argue and fight with the trooper instead of take care of his patient......... I wonder if he put that in his self serving so-called incident report?

oldrustytulsa, Tulsa (5/27/2009 7:25:04 PM)

You can be guaranteed one thing the OHP investigation, wont reveal much.Did the trooper have his video cam on?and Why not?

out east, Inola (5/27/2009 7:26:30 PM)

Let the Lawyers chase the ambulances.

SaintSteven67, Tulsa (5/27/2009 7:29:22 PM)

As an EMT myself, I have followed this with interest. Hired Gun wants to blame the paramedic, however, the driver is the one responsible. Still, you cannot see directly behind an ambulance when driving. If you read the written statement, there was a car in front of them. Ambulances typically stay in the left lane in case the paramedic decides to run it hot. They do not run hot when a patient is conscious, simply because lights and sirens often agitate medical conditions. Apparently, the trooper was responding to a call himself ... but it must not have been too important to go out of his way to come back and confront the paramedic. From what I understand, the driver was a first responder, who cannot tend a patient under State Laws and Protocols. Moreover, a patient cannot be unattended in the back. The trooper should have known this and allowed them to continue. Most law enforcement officials know the proper way to deal with a situation is to call the ambulance service with a report. I still want to see the video from the trooper's car to get the whole picture, but it looks like the OHP were the ones completely out of line.

HiredGun, (5/27/2009 7:31:36 PM)

Oldrustytulsa ..... the family who took the video and if yoiu listen to it talk about getting their "evidence" and the paramedic have put their spin out first. The Oklahoma Highway Patrol and DA's office can not leak out information until the investigation is completed and the matter is properly and professionally concluded. Therefore, any video and or audio produced by the troopers video devices will not be released until such time as the investigation is completed and can not be released unless authorized by law.

Carlos, Tulsa (5/27/2009 8:59:36 PM)

HiredGun, I'm sure you are in law enforcement judging by your name and based on how you are trying to protect your brothers-in-arms. That's typical of cops. They lie for each other all the time. Maybe you didn't see the video. Videos don't lie like cops do. I'm tired of seeing cops buck up and bump chests with everyone they see just because they were picked on in high school. I'm sure the "felony arrest" the cops were on their way to was another cop who needed help wrestling down someone who was "resisting". What do you want to bet the trooper's dash cam was either "not operating properly" or "not running" when the investigation by OHP is complete? Time will tell.

HiredGun, (5/27/2009 9:40:52 PM)

Carlos, I am not in law enforcement and I am far from supporting law enforcement who break the law. I do appreciate your onesided approach to this event. You want to hate the police. You are probably the type who want to hate ll police not just the bad ones. But, when your in a time of need you will yell help and officer, officer.

In any event, you wish to believe the one sided video put forth by a family who from the tone and comments of the videoer may try and use it for a lawsuit. Why is it you do not see all the footage?

Did you care to read the article where it states that the driver acknowledges that he saw the emeregenccy lights and did not pull over (that is failing to yield) and the paramedic admits that he was being placed under arrest and started a struggle (resisting arreast)? If not for the patient he would have most certainly gone to jail.

Where is the outrage for the ambulance not running lights? Where is the outrage for the ambulance not allowing the officer to proceed post haste with assisting another officer? Where is the outrage that the paramedic chose to refuse to get in the ambulance and take the patient to the hospital after the trooper told him too and the paramedic had to be told again to take the patient to the hospital because he wanted to argue and fight with the troopers instead?

It is so booring to see the same ole same ole, hate cops, hate judges, hate lawyers, hate the system, hate the rich, hate the democrtats, hate the republicans simply based off media reports without a full knowledge of the situation. Simply booring rhetoric.............

By the way, I bet there is an OHP video and audio............

kids1st, (5/27/2009 10:21:32 PM)

This is unbelieveable. An ambulance being pulled over preventing someone's medical treatment? Regardless of any issues with the EMT, the patient should have been the number one concern. This is abuse of power by the officer! And the officer is still allowed to work? I am still having trouble believing this has really happened. We do not need officers like this protecting us.

kids1st, (5/27/2009 10:32:45 PM)

To Hiredgun- You "know" the details and have the dirt on the EMT? So What! The EMT was trying to do his job and deliver a patient to the Emergency room. The trooper should try to DO HIS JOB as well and deal with the EMT after the patient has safely arrived at the ER. AND the video reported speaks for itself.

Just curious.... Are you the same informant that reported the proof that 'Big Foot' is in Oklahoma?

SaintSteven67, Tulsa (5/27/2009 10:35:04 PM)

Hired Gun,
If you read my post, you would know ambulances often do not run "hot" with a patient conscious inside, because it often agitates the medical situation. Also, you cannot see directly behind you ... much like a trucker. You also made a comment of petrol cans in the ambulance ... but I froze the tape and it is not a petrol can. Also, initially, the Trooper ordered the Basic to get his "ass" in the car so he could give him a ticket, and he was insistent on arresting the paramedic--which would have left the patient unattended, which is illegal. Both the EMT and Paramedic asked if they could straighten it out at the hospital initially, but the trooper refused and was intent on giving a ticket and arresting someone. As for the alleged assault by the paramedic, I would like to see it. It is clear the paramedic never touched the trooper in the provided video. Finally, it is a felony to assault a paramedic as well. The trooper agitated a situation and made it worse. It was his bad decision, and unprofessional candor that escalated the situation.

kids1st, (5/27/2009 10:38:07 PM)

Makes me think of Roscoe P. Coltrane.

kids1st, (5/27/2009 10:41:20 PM)

RE: SaintSteven67's comment to Hiredgun-
Very well said.

Mar, Tulsa (5/27/2009 10:43:50 PM)

I would have hated being in that ambulance needing rushed to the hospital. What a bunch of imbeciles!

The Bug, Tulsa (5/27/2009 10:50:13 PM)

Wouldn't pull over?
Sure an EMT should know better and should pull over and stop on the left hand side if he can.
How many times do yous see the the average Joe not pull over or just stop in front of an emergency vehicle every single day of the week?
Why would this wrankle the trooper any more than he deals with every day?
There is no excuse for putting your hand on a law enforcement officer. But tell me, if he really "assuaulted" the trooper off camera, do you think the trooper would have taken it and not arrested him then?
Both the troopers and the paramedic need unpaid time off to take classes on how to act professional.

Webmeister, Tulsa (5/27/2009 10:56:52 PM)

Curious. Wonder who was the woman in the Trooper's car?

A ride-along? Girlfriend?

Was the steroid-road-raging OHP Trooper trying to impress his ride-along girlfriend?

After watching the video, it looks pretty clear that the troopers acted very unnecessarily aggressive with an EMT team.

Was race a factor? This involved a Boley resident being transported in the ambulance.

Of course, due to extreme civil liability, the local District Attorney will of course charge the EMT with a crime.

To provide a pretext for the outrageous behavior of the OHP personnel, and help defray a civil suit by the sick woman's family......

Just watch......

OKmama, (5/27/2009 11:00:41 PM)

I think it is amusing that hiredgun (who is not an officer, by the way) tries to convince people the video taken at the seen is "so-called" and obviously fictitious - who ever heard of a cop or trooper misusing their authority, for that would be absurd, right? PLEASE! Get a clue hiredgun, you are on your own with a defense for these out of line "so-called" troopers.

jestergrl1, Mannford (5/27/2009 11:01:33 PM)

No wonder we have road rage on the road. The people who are supposed to set examples are doing the same thing. What a bunch of boneheads.

Fly At Will, (5/27/2009 11:04:16 PM)

Trooper needs to resign or be fired!!!!! What an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

d van, Tulsa (5/27/2009 11:04:55 PM)

ROAD RAGE!

The Kindergarten cops need to go sit in the corner.

Who can protect us from the boys with the badges?

Daniel Day Simpson, Edmond (5/27/2009 11:26:03 PM)

If you do enough ride-a-longs you will see into the life of an OHP officer. Very often they deal with irate people in the middle of nowhere. I've seen them take loads of crap from people and move on to the next. They smile and take it. In dealing with ambulance companies, volunteer fire departments (Curly, Larry, and Moe) and tow truck operators (Mario and Luigi) it gets interesting. Ambulance jockeys by nature are unhinged from the git-go. How many jobs did you have where you may start the day telling your partner to go pick up the head in the ditch while you get the arms and torso. Don't worry about the legs because the 18-wheeler tore them up a mile back. Rural ice cream trucks are the worst with lowest pay, lowest training, and worst equipment. Then add to the fact it was a tribal ambulance company and that just throws everything out the window. Tribes often do not have to follow CLEET or EMT rules. They can legally put a red light on a meat hauler and hire anyone who walks in upright and can drive. Not many tribes are hooked up the NCIC or OLETS because they have no certification program. Their officers are hired off the street, given a uniform and gun, and put on the street as full tribal police officers. What should really scare you is that you can be pulled over on I-40 and I-35 where a tribe's jurisdiction exists like in Shawnee. But I guarantee you that if one of those idiots tried to pull me over it would be a huge mistake.