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Votes of the dead may not be fraud
An election official says a report dug up mostly clerical errors.
By GAVIN OFF World Data Editor
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6/3/2009 2:25 AM
Last Modified: 6/3/2009 9:48 AM
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A few Sooners vote after dying.
Election Board secretary offers explanations for apparent votes by dead.
After a Tulsa World investigation found that as many as 10 Oklahomans apparently had voted after their deaths in recent years, a state official said there are logical explanations for at least nine of the cast ballots.
State Election Board Secretary Paul Ziriax said Tuesday that documents showed no proof of voter fraud. His comments came in response to a story in Sunday's Tulsa World.
"In the vast majority of the 10 cases identified by the Tulsa World, it appears that data entry errors are the culprit," Ziriax said in a statement.
In five cases, voters apparently signed the wrong line in the precinct registry. The mistakes led to data entry errors when county election board officials logged voter history into a database.
One of those cases involved a deceased voter whose son shares the same name.
In two cases, no signature was written next to the deceased's name. Again, data entry errors likely caused the mistakes, Ziriax said.
And in two more cases, voters appeared to have cast an absentee ballot just days before their deaths. Thus, the ballots were still legal under state law.
Ziriax said a 2006 case involving a Lincoln County man is still under investigation.
To find the inconsistent ballots, the World joined an Election Board database of some 12 million votes cast since 1999 with a Department of Health database of Oklahomans who died in recent years.
The investigation found that as many as 10 people were marked as voting after their deaths and as many as 429 deceased Oklahomans were still registered to vote.
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gavin.off@tulsaworld.com
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tbgalileo
, Tulsa (6/2/2009 5:15:59 PM)
So if I'm reading this right, there is 1 questionable ballot out of 12 million? And this was worthy of a "scandal" story? Come on TW......
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quixote
, Tulsa (6/2/2009 7:33:54 PM)
Calling Greychin. Come in Greychin, come in Greychin.
You're right again.
(How can he be the most ignored TW blogger? Maybe because he closes the door so well with his comments that there's not much left to say.)
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concernedpapa
, Kiefer (6/3/2009 6:27:34 AM)
Jim
Your not holding your breath are you? To me this was a non event when it was written if and i say IF there were 10 cases of possible fraud out or 12 million votes I can live with hat regardess which way the votes were cast.
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Travis
, Tahlequah (6/3/2009 6:35:25 AM)
I wonder how many ineligible votes were cast. I guess we will never know since we had no requirement to present an ID to vote.
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QLC
, (6/3/2009 7:37:14 AM)
I don't see how presenting an id would have anything to do with this. The person could still sign the wrong line. The vote wasn't wrong, just the credit.
I can't believe all of this fuss over 10 votes.
Travis, go back to bed. There is nothing for you to see here.
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Angry Citizen!
, Bluejacket (6/3/2009 8:04:47 AM)
Do we need to run out and get our voter's licenses (for a nominal fee) yet?
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Peter Piper
, TULSA (6/3/2009 8:05:01 AM)
Mr. Purdy, you'll go nutty yourself checking out all these bloggers/soothsayers! I wouldn't give them the time of day. Many are still trying to locate Pres. Obama's birth certificate! Some have nothing else to do all day long!
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Ignatz
, Broken Bow (6/3/2009 8:30:01 AM)
This never was a real news story from the get-go.There never was any "voter fraud" in Ok. If the "ID" proposal wouldn't disenfranchise Democrats the Republicans would not be supporting it, simple as that.
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wardog
, Miami (6/3/2009 8:49:05 AM)
Hey the dead guys probably understand it better...lol
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Graychin
, Eucha (6/3/2009 9:25:30 AM)
Quixote: Here I am! And thanks for your kind words. But have you checked the leaderboard recently? There's a new champ in the "most ignored" category.
To everyone else - I TOLD YOU SO!
Fraudulent voting in Oklahoma is a myth, a lie spread by forces who want to suppress the votes of eligible voters. "Voter ID" is their latest method of choice. In the old days, it was goons at the polls.
As my much-missed friend Bville Yellow Dog used to say, "When voters vote, Democrats win."
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ajohnb
, Jenks (6/3/2009 9:31:02 AM)
And all of you believe that the State Election Board would not blame this on "data entry errors"?
If they admitted there was any indication of fraud, then that would make every election suspect and fuel the State Legislature to take actions that would cost the Election board money.
I am still troubled about a friend that I know that went to vote and his name had already been signed to the book. He ended up voting as a "provisional vote". How much of this has gone on?
I am just saying that it would be very easy to commit voter fraud in this state.
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Skeptic
, Tulsa (6/3/2009 10:05:15 AM)
If signing on the wrong line by mistake is viewed as voter fraud, then yes ajohnb, it is easy. Is there any proof, that presenting an ID will eliminate this time of...."fraud"? I doubt it.
As Ignatz said, "If the "ID" proposal wouldn't disenfranchise Democrats the Republicans would not be supporting it."
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Graychin
, Eucha (6/3/2009 11:41:13 AM)
Once at the polls, someone had signed a name in my wife's space by mistake. It was easy to see who made the mistake. So the poll worker told my wife to sign on that person's line.
Big deal.
Easy to commit voter fraud? It would be easy to run down Main Street stark naked, too. But no one ever does.
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zzx375
, BA (6/3/2009 11:42:29 AM)
And dead votes don't count, right?
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dukeera
, Jenks (6/3/2009 12:58:34 PM)
"How can [Graychin] be the most ignored TW blogger?"
On the political spectrum between liberals and conservatives, take a guess which side tends to be more closeminded, rejecting any notion that does not agree with their preconceived beliefs.
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cheesepoff
, (6/3/2009 1:10:52 PM)
We need voter ID. Dead voting is a small problem compared to some of the other types of Voter fraud. Don't give me that crap about old people not voting. Nursing homes and care center have transportation to polls and if some one really wants to vote they can get an ID. We need ID for every thing else why not voting.
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ajohnb
, Jenks (6/3/2009 1:11:19 PM)
The problem with my friend was, that someone had signed HIS name on the book. It was not just a case of signing on the wrong line but an obvious case of someone impersonating him.
Of course, he was allowed a "provisional ballot".
And the election was not close so his one votes would have made no difference no matter what candidate he voted for.
Point is, election fraud occurs. How widespread, who knows? But not having to show any ID at all to vote lends itself to having voter fraus whether people want to believe it or not.
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concernedpapa
, Kiefer (6/3/2009 1:39:29 PM)
cheesepoff said
"We need ID for everything else why not voting."
I will agree with you totally cheesepoff if you and all your "friends" will fill out a profile before you make a post. Until then remain in the shadows lurking i the corner.
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bearway
, Jenks (6/3/2009 2:09:19 PM)
Who is Wanda Kinkade? Seems that saying there is no Voter Fraud makes it so, regardless of the facts and convictions in the 80's. But hey, why let truth and fact get in the way of a good bit of propaganda?
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Tulsashooter
, Tulsa (6/3/2009 2:47:05 PM)
I'm only catching up to this story so my question is borne of lack of specific information. The question I have though is ... according to TBGalileo in the first entry, of the "..12 million" ... one was found to be unexplained. Were 12 million actually surveyed, or were simply an appreciable sample obtained and the results were projected? Surveying 12 million of anything is very labor intensive.
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Peter Piper
, TULSA (6/3/2009 3:09:23 PM)
At my precinct in Tulsa, the three ladies are 90, 83, and 77. Two I know well. When 6, 8,or 10 people come piling in to vote, I can see how names could get jumbled around or someone could forget to sign--THE HUMAN FACTOR--QUIT RIDING THIS OLD VOTER FRAUD NAG!! IT DOESN'T EXIST!
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