Bodean, Tulsa (7/2/2009 1:39:21 PM)

A circus? Sally Kern?

I can see that...

jhill, Tulsa (7/2/2009 1:41:38 PM)

You just can't make this stuff up!

toyourdismay, Tulsa (7/2/2009 1:45:11 PM)

This lady BELONGS in a circus.

2ndjoyce, BA (7/2/2009 1:45:21 PM)

"I will not embarrass my state." - Captain Norwood.

I nominate you, Capt. Norwood, to replace Sally Kern when she is impeached.

Ayo, T-Town (7/2/2009 1:46:46 PM)

Thank you Capt. Norwood for letting the protesters speak. Yes, it would have been an embarrassment had anyone been hurt in a scuffle. Yes, it would have been an embarrassment if it looked like OHP was supporting a religious agenda.

Whose paid her salary while she devised this proclamation?

Earth to Sally Kern:
You are quite welcome to live your life with whatever belief system you want. You aren't allowed to use your political position or the tax money that pays your salary to push your religious agenda.

Ayo, T-Town (7/2/2009 1:47:31 PM)

'Whose' should be "who's or who has"

Non-BUBBA, Tulsa (7/2/2009 1:47:44 PM)

I agree Ayo.

SteveBrown777, tulsa (7/2/2009 1:49:44 PM)

I think there is no doubt that lack of morals played a part in many of our nation's current problems, but that doesn't mean we should have elected officials telling us to look to Christianity or any other particular religion to save us all. Especially the type of religion that foolishly considers same-sex marriage a form of "debauchery," that is paralleled with child abuse and sex trafficking.

:), (7/2/2009 1:50:31 PM)

My Rate of Return in 401k was -39% last year because a same sex couple got hitched and millions are unemployed because so many of those "traditional marriages" ended in divorce.

Thanks a bunch 'merica... and thank you Sally, for clearing that up.

FS, Broken Arrow (7/2/2009 1:52:14 PM)

I'm sure the lady has good intentions, but asking a politician to sign a statement that basically says he or she won't act like a politician is a lot like saying a snake won't bite you just because you didn't intend to do it harm.

Signing a statement is over the top - how about a bill establishing a season?

Eric, Tulsa (7/2/2009 1:54:06 PM)

...

HEY!

TULSA WORLD!

The link doesn't work!!!

The one that would let me read the text of her proclomation.
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..
.

jhill, Tulsa (7/2/2009 1:55:28 PM)

This is like watching a train wreck -- you know that you shouldn't be doing it, but you just can't turn your eyes away!

cowboyneok, Tulsa (7/2/2009 1:56:26 PM)

Sally Kern represents a clear and present danger to America! All you need to do is look at what the Taliban did to Afghanistan to realize what kind of damage an out of control hypocritical sanctimonious religion can do to a country! Talibangelicals need to go live in Afghanistan if they want to pick and choose G-d's laws while claiming to be some sort of authority on why "elitist greed" ruined our country!

Tulsa World Web Reporter, Tulsa (7/2/2009 1:59:28 PM)

Sorry about the broken link to the proclamation. It should work now. Thanks!

:), (7/2/2009 1:59:55 PM)

Eric, click where it says to sign the petition.
That will take you to the text and allow you to see the list of 55 who signed it.

irishlando, Tulsa (7/2/2009 2:01:28 PM)

Wait, did he say that you have to have a permit to carry signs at a protest. I protest you with this,

"Just another way for you to make Money"

2ndjoyce, BA (7/2/2009 2:05:27 PM)

Sally, Thank you from the bottom of my heart for singling out the evils of President Obama and gays and for not placing more blame on obesit....
...oops....I dropped one of my peanut m&m's....

Ayo, T-Town (7/2/2009 2:06:15 PM)

:)....... you fit your handle to a 'T'.

Your posts make me smile.

Bubba, what can I say other than sorry, bro. That's a sincere sorry, too. I guess being a Republican is rather bumpy right now. The thing is they are dragging down the reasonable Republicans with them.

FaithnHim, Crested Bute, (7/2/2009 2:14:43 PM)

I sadly admit she is right on the count of our nation being immoral. I am proud to be an American and would not wish to leave this grand nation; however, we are way too free at times. Take a look at our crime rate for those statistics and the number of repeats still living on the streets. What amazes me is how anyone, no matter their political or non-political position, can ever claim the right to throw stones! I do the best I can to walk the walk and not just talk the talk, but in the end it's between us and God and not between us and Sally.

getreal, (7/2/2009 2:15:10 PM)

I think Ms. Kern and others need to read, not only what Christ said, but the life he lived. Materially poor, traveling with friends that believed, and prepared to sacrifice all. How much did he care about votes? As much as he cared about wealth.

Also, the Proclomation should include a travel ban to Argentina!

grizz, tulsa (7/2/2009 2:17:49 PM)

Was her maiden name Falwell?

LocalBoy, B.A. (7/2/2009 2:20:24 PM)

Whacko!

Cooldaddy, Broken Arrow (7/2/2009 2:22:13 PM)

Sally Kern means well. She has a solid point in what she's saying.

:), (7/2/2009 2:22:47 PM)

Thanks Ayo :)

I can't sign the petition because I have Appalachian Revival rattlesnakes in each hand at the moment. Also, my comments would be in tongues.

Cheyenne, Tulsa (7/2/2009 2:35:01 PM)

WHEREAS, this nation has become a world leader in promoting abortion,
pornography, same sex marriage, sex trafficking, divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse, and many other forms of debauchery; and

Wow, someone needs to look up the definition of debauchery. Divorce and child abuse have NOTHING to do with debauchery.

toyourdismay, Tulsa (7/2/2009 2:37:26 PM)

LOL @ :)

tbgalileo, Tulsa (7/2/2009 2:46:03 PM)

"Was her maiden name Falwell? "

No, but sometimes I wonder if she isn't really Pat Robertson in drag......

CherokeeOK, Broken Arrow, Oklahoma (7/2/2009 2:49:11 PM)

Excellent job Sally......Keep up the good work.

2ndjoyce, BA (7/2/2009 2:54:50 PM)

True, Doc.

........Oh, by the way how much does a car accident cost? Or heart surgery? Or raising a child?

tbgalileo, Tulsa (7/2/2009 2:56:22 PM)

Doc, you left out the tens of millions that have to be paid out every time a christian priest molests another child......

CowboyBobDog, Creek Cty (7/2/2009 2:59:49 PM)

(Bobdog runs through the doggie door into the backyard and over the fence in a single bound and hides behind the 10 Commandments Display at the Jim Purdy science exhibit at the Ben Franklin Diety store.)

2ndjoyce, BA (7/2/2009 3:01:50 PM)

ROTFLMA!!!

Bobdog, did you make a mess again?

irishlando, Tulsa (7/2/2009 3:02:20 PM)

And Doc, How many old women get scammed by groups that claim to be religious that lead Kill Hilary campaigns because they say she is the devil...I am sorry you lost your money Granny!!!

2ndjoyce, BA (7/2/2009 3:02:44 PM)

Since I apparently have never LMAO I left off the "O"

DonInTulsa, (7/2/2009 3:04:02 PM)

I hope Sally Kern has a better personal record on morality than her Republican "moral majority" counterparts like Mark Foley, Larry Craig, Mark Sanford, John Ensign, etc. I remember an old agade I once heard: when you point a finger at someone else, there are three more pointing back at you.

thehero, (7/2/2009 3:06:15 PM)

My issue is that she states, "We the People of Oklahoma, Invoking the guidance of Almighty God..." in her opening statement. Ms. Kern does not represent me or necessarily my views as a citizen of Oklahoma.

CowboyBobDog, Creek Cty (7/2/2009 3:06:52 PM)

I just needed a place to get dressed.

(Bobdog puts on his clown suit so he can go to OKC and not be conspicuous.)

Astro1, (7/2/2009 3:08:24 PM)

"...and dancing, and eating pork, and eating shrimp, and many other forms of debauchery..."

Welcome to America !, Claremore (7/2/2009 3:10:40 PM)

Wow ! Christianity is being compared to the Taliban. While I agree with her thoughts on morality, I'm not sure politics is the correct way to go about it; I'm pretty sure that's our responsibility to proclaim Christ but His Word didn't say anything about proclamations. You cannot force people to accept any spiritual condition - it must be a personal choice.

CowboyBobDog, Creek Cty (7/2/2009 3:10:58 PM)

It's Ok Joyce. I left off an "O" nce.

(Bobdog is looking good as he puts on the red ball nose.)

fcol, (7/2/2009 3:10:59 PM)

Some good comments have been made.

I view these holier than thou public servants as domestic terrorists.
The people who keep electing them are no better.
Be careful what you ask for ...

If any of us were hired to do a specific job for a private company, but used that paid time and access to market our own interests instead - we'd not only be fired, but probably be sued.

Get these sanctimonious thumpers out of public office.
They'll probably erect public stantions soon to secure and humiliate sinners - maybe near the 10 commandments monument.

Picnic to follow the public flogging in the square.

douglassm, tulsa (7/2/2009 3:14:09 PM)

Get her some cocoa puffs. She's cuckoo.

CowboyBobDog, Creek Cty (7/2/2009 3:15:09 PM)

Welcome to America.
Well said.

(Bobdog must have gained a few pounds since he last wore the clown suit. It makes his But look big. He was going to put the red ball nose there but it looked like a hemorrhoid.)

Eric, Tulsa (7/2/2009 3:17:12 PM)

...

As a citizen of the United States, she is entitled to speak her mind and worship whomever she pleases.
And to the death, I defend and support her right to do so.
However...

As an elected representative of the people of Oklahoma, she does NOT speak for me, nor does she represent my religion.

And as an elected person, she has crossed the line of church/state separation by promoting one religion.

I find this deplorable and NO different than what the Taliban wants:
subjugation of the people.
...

A sad day in Oklahoma and America.
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..
.

TonyQ, Tulsa (7/2/2009 3:21:00 PM)

Theocracy is unamerican!

CowboyBobDog, Creek Cty (7/2/2009 3:22:38 PM)

Speaking of clowns.

(Bobdog said nothing)

2ndjoyce, BA (7/2/2009 3:23:25 PM)

Agreed, Eric. How did she receive permission to do this on the first floor of the Capitol?

CowboyBobDog, Creek Cty (7/2/2009 3:25:36 PM)

She don't need no stinking permission, she's God's clown, er ah voice.

(Bobdog hangs his head.)

2ndjoyce, BA (7/2/2009 3:25:38 PM)

Don't get any ideas, Bobdog.....

CowboyBobDog, Creek Cty (7/2/2009 3:28:54 PM)

(Bobdog struggles to get the four big floppy shoes on.)

CowboyBobDog, Creek Cty (7/2/2009 3:31:39 PM)

(Bobdog has his "seltzer bottle" so he's ready to cool Sally Wally off.)

zzx375, BA (7/2/2009 3:34:22 PM)

If Sally Kern is such a pariah, why was she returned to office last November? Was the Democrat Party unable to find someone to run against her?

Tim Denver, Denver (7/2/2009 3:35:04 PM)

Sally Kern looks like a drag queen.

Alix Smart, (7/2/2009 3:45:37 PM)

we should put her in the lake, if she sinks she's right, if she floats....stone her!

CowboyBobDog, Creek Cty (7/2/2009 3:47:20 PM)

zz, I wouldn't call her a pariah, but there is a time and place for everything. Place being the...ah what kind of fish is that.

(Bobdog would not hike his leg on the stool in the kitchen, he would choose the Maple tree in the back yard.)

Tim Denver, Denver (7/2/2009 3:49:00 PM)

If Sally Kern is such a pariah, why was she returned to office last November? Was the Democrat Party unable to find someone to run against her?

comic relief, perhaps?

Just a country boy, North Okmulgee County (7/2/2009 3:49:02 PM)

She sounds just like the god hates gay people.

JB, (7/2/2009 3:51:31 PM)

She is so sure her religion is the right one? There are so many to choose from!!!

I like Zeus, personally. Ra is pretty sweet too. :)

cowboytimothy, (7/2/2009 3:52:14 PM)

I'm calling Sally to see if she needs some side work this fall. I need a lady to hand out prizes for the winners of the floating duckies. I've always said Sally is mid-way material, she's very special, a true charmer.

machinist, (7/2/2009 3:52:41 PM)

HA HA HA HA HA HA...She should hook up with Inhofe and go on tour. These people are making Okies look stupid and pathetic to the rest of the world. Maybe I should move to Arizona or Vermont or somewhere.

2ndjoyce, BA (7/2/2009 3:55:48 PM)

I have no problem with Sally making a "religious" proclamation. It's about where and how she does that.

Kind of like Sanford. His affairs are his business, but using state money (how) by disappearing (how) to travel to Argentina (where) to have said affair is problematic.

lucky girl, mine (7/2/2009 3:55:57 PM)

Don't forget your red nose Bobdog

(Here's a treat for you)

CowboyBobDog, Creek Cty (7/2/2009 4:04:57 PM)

Arf, Arf, Arf.

(Bobdog loves treats.)

Skeptic, Tulsa (7/2/2009 4:06:59 PM)

Sally Kern. The best reason not to be Baptist!

NOT JADED, Tulsa (7/2/2009 4:10:50 PM)

zzx375,

Do you have an objective bone in your robot body?

CowboyBobDog, Creek Cty (7/2/2009 4:11:23 PM)

OMG, I'm agreeing with Skeptic for the second time today.

(Bobdog doesn't agree completely, but he's trying to be a better doggie.)

NOT JADED, Tulsa (7/2/2009 4:15:05 PM)

CowboyBobDog,

Your a good boy.

No Right Wing Nut Jobs, (7/2/2009 4:18:48 PM)

Good Lord....uh i mean good non dominational creater of all things?......

Tedd, Tulsa (7/2/2009 4:21:34 PM)

She thinks Oklahoma (of all places, OKLAHOMA?!?) has lost its religious roots. Sure, the buckle of the Bible belt... the reddest of red states. I guess she's looking for a complete theocracy. Throw out the constitution and never mind the majority of folks who think she's a whack job. Forget the fact that even those who don't subscribe to her religious beliefs are still citizens that are due representation. By God, Oklahoma needs to be even more religious than it is already.

Sally Kern and her goons are the real threat to all that is American.

nucleardad, Tulsa (7/2/2009 4:23:22 PM)

Every year when the homos, lesbos, crossdressers,and transvestites gather in Tulsa for a parade and picnic at Boulder Park I manage to NOT go and protest what they're doing. IT's a shame they don't show the same courtesy to those of us who don't agree with them.

Bodean, Tulsa (7/2/2009 4:38:49 PM)

nucleardad, (7/2/2009 4:23:22 PM)

Maybe you don't go, but people of your ilk do attend and they do protest. They obviously stand for you. Your point is flat.

Thunder196, Tulsa (7/2/2009 4:44:06 PM)

Kern in my opinion is just another "goody two shoes". She too may end up getting more attention then she is looking for. If she gets too high and mighty someone will know about any bones rattling in Kern's closet and open the door for her. Just give them time.

jasouthard, Tulsa (7/2/2009 4:50:15 PM)

The Sally Kerns of the world are the biggest threat to American democracy. She is a deranged and mentally disturbed person. She is not only a huge embarrassment to our state, but to all of humanity. What a slug! May God forgive her.

ingenii, center of the universe (7/2/2009 4:50:48 PM)

oh my grace, i've got no hiding place. When The morality cops come, it is time to lock and load. Facism needs to be ended in any form.

ingenii, center of the universe (7/2/2009 4:52:07 PM)

sorry fascism

Tim Denver, Denver (7/2/2009 4:56:17 PM)

Nucleardad, a lot of straight people attend Pridefest. I ran into a co-worker who was Denver Pride with his wife and three children. He was having a great time eating food, listening to the free concerts, checking out the booths, and simply enjoying the festive atmosphere. You want a real party? Ask the gay crowd to through it!

Mr. GoodBob, (7/2/2009 4:57:12 PM)

PROCLATAION FOR MORALITY
FROM CITIZENS WHO HAVE ACTUALLY READ THE BIBLE

We, the Literate and Reasonable People of the United States who have avoided or escaped the sort of childhood indoctrination that would lead a person to believe that what is done in private with his or her genitals may trigger God’s wrath in the form of tsunamis, terrorist attacks, and economic recession, invoking a morality based on reducing suffering, that the citizens of this country may be free from the enforcement of the brutal, sexist, homophobic and often silly morality of the Bible; to thwart Christians and their co-religionists as attempts are made to pass off dogma as universal morality and erode the separation of church and state; do establish this proclamation and call upon all those who have ever sassed their parents (Det 21:20-21), disobeyed their husbands (Eph 5:22), picked up sticks on a Saturday (Nmbrs 15: 32-36), or worn anything made of a cotton polyester blend (Lev 19:19) to join with us in protecting morality from Christians who attempt to infect it with their perception of what God told them is bad via the Bible as opposed to actual injustice and suffering.

WHEREAS, “…the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion…” (Treaty of Tripoli – Signed by President John Adams); and

WHEREAS, “The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg” (Thomas Jefferson); and

WHEREAS, “A government cannot be premised on the belief that all persons are created equal when it asserts that God prefers some” (U.S. Supreme Court Justice Harry A. Blackmun); and

WHEREAS, “...texts from the source we call Holy Scripture have been used in the past to defend the divine right of kings and to oppose the Magna Carta; to condemn Galileo and to assert that the sun does indeed rotate around the earth; to justify slavery, segregation and apartheid; to keep women from being educated, entering the professions, voting or being ordained; to justify war, to persecute and kill Jews; to condemn other world religions; and to continue the oppression and rejection of gay and lesbian people." (Bishop John Shelby Spong); and

WHEREAS, “Secularists have no desire to extol the Bible above its merits, nor to depreciate it below its deserts. We gladly admit that it contains some useful precepts; but these, as a rule, are intermixed with so many teachings of an injurious character that their beauty is often overshadowed and their utility annulled. Its coarse language in many places renders it unfit for general perusal, and destroys its value as a standard for every-day life.” (Charles Watts);

NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that we, the reasonable citizens of this country, solemnly declare that a system of morality based solely on the Bible would most certainly be considered evil by today’s moral standards: and

BE IT RESOLVED that the HOPE to which we cling, that the laws and morals of these United States will not devolve to the point of Christian theocracy, rests upon our constitutional religious freedom, the separation of church and state; and a thorough reading of the Bible.

Skeptic, Tulsa (7/2/2009 5:03:33 PM)

Excellent Mr. GoodBob

Add me to the signature list!

CowboyBobDog, Creek Cty (7/2/2009 5:07:22 PM)

Thank you

(Bobdog always tries to be good.)

TUFan-2009, Tulsa (7/2/2009 5:09:46 PM)

I will be checking the list often to make sure my representative does not sign it! I will actively campaign against anyone who does. This has made the national media and she is an embarrasment to Oklahoma.

Legal Citizen, (7/2/2009 5:14:12 PM)

Even I will agree that Rep. Kern has gone too far this time.

Not so much because I disagree entirely with what she (and John Adams, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry and others) have said, but simply because it's pointless. Not only will not accomplish the goals that she hopes, it will do the exact opposite.

Mike S, Tulsa (7/2/2009 5:16:37 PM)

I just looked at the signatures... Sally has NOT signed it.

Mike S, Tulsa (7/2/2009 5:18:58 PM)

Just wondering when Amanda Hugginkiss and Haywood U Buzhoff are going to sign the petition?

NOT JADED, Tulsa (7/2/2009 5:19:31 PM)

nucleardad,

The difference is those people are not telling YOU how to live YOUR life.

NOT JADED, Tulsa (7/2/2009 5:23:54 PM)

By God I can't wait to sign. I fully endorse the righteous Sally Kern.
Signed,
ILENE DOVER

heynow, (7/2/2009 5:33:45 PM)

Wait, I thought they solved all the immorality with their Ten Commandments statue?

roc-usa, (7/2/2009 5:33:45 PM)

Good Job Sally Kern!! It is obvious from statements left here by other readers that you are definitely right!! People don't realize that the 'separation of Church and State' is NOT in the Constitution! It was in a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danberry Baptists promising them that Government would not infringe upon the rights of the Church. I suggest if you want to learn about our Christian heritage and hopefully perpetuation then visit wallbuilders dot com.

spirit07, Tulsa (7/2/2009 5:56:27 PM)

Sally Korn, is probably like Governor Sanford. Just give it time and she will probably be involved in some lesbian relationship then...

2ndjoyce, BA (7/2/2009 6:04:23 PM)

The only thing missing from this proclamation is nailing it to a burning cross and placing it on the White House lawn.

This entire Klanbake makes me sick to my stomach.

Check It out, Tulsa (7/2/2009 6:10:38 PM)

Dear Sally,

I am willing to believe your intentions are righteous but your actions are not! I also serve a mighty God! When you continually use the words...invoking Almighty God ...you make me very nervous. There is no humility in your words or the actions of the Reclaiming America Group that you are representing while holding public office.
Our God is not a cosmic bellboy who the "righteous" can call down to set the "evildoers" straight.{no pun intended}

While you are proclaiming this return to what you deem righteous...what are your suggestions for how the American people should deal with the transgressors? I am not being facetious...I really would like to know! Surely since you have done God's work of separating the wheat from the tares...what exactly should be done now with the tares. Maybe concentration camps for homosexuals and adulterers? Public executions for sexual impurity? How will you go about administering God's judgement on the unjust if they have not broken any law? Change the laws? Will being a democrat become illegal? Maybe eliminate the Supreme court and replace it with group of Spiritual Counsel maybe from your group that your working with now? Divine appointments?

It is easy to usurp God's authority on the earth and shine the light on evil so that you can stamp it out but be careful...our God is a jealous God and He will not share his position with you nor will he take advice from you.

You remind me of the time when I invited a surprise guest for dinner and asked my children to start dinner and clean up the living room. When I arrived at home I was horrified to see that in an effort to help me they decided to clean out the closets instead. There were piles of useless junk everywhere and dinner was not on the stove. My guest arrived and the evening was in shambles. Did my kids want to please me? Yes! But I needed them to obey me!

Sally, you are not responsible for the evil in the world and I have never seen any Biblical dispensation for the organizing of a Spiritual Task force to enforce God's will on the earth. His Word is very clear on what He wants you to do and it is LOVE Him...Love your enemies...Love your neighbors...feed the hungry...shelter the homeless...pray without ceasing...tend to the widow and the orphan in her distress,,,judge not..visit the sick and the imprisoned. Nowhere in there are there commandments outlining the rules for heretic hunting. That is an evil sport...and an abomination to God. He gives liberty....I have liberty in Christ! Look up the word liberty! Freedom is a beautiful thing. Stop trying to rewrite God's assignment for yourselves and just concentrate on the one He gave you. Anything else would show your works to be an effort to please man and not God. Surely you would not want Him to be invoked while you are steadily doing the wrong job?? That would be foolish and surely you are no fool.

wardog, Miami (7/2/2009 6:12:34 PM)

Means well, oh yes she sure does, maybe she should be saying it out on the street or at home. NOT IN A ELECTED OFFICE. Was she ellected for this or is she turning preacher also. Is she saying what her husband tells her to say. She is a biased woman who I believe has decided she is 'THE JUDGE AND THE JURY' LOOK OUT PEOPLE WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON THE LOOSE...BRING THE GUYS IN THE WHITE COATS, SHE'S READY!

Check It out, Tulsa (7/2/2009 6:24:12 PM)

Oh and I forgot to say that I believe that God's grace is sufficient for all sinners and I am grateful...cause if

His mercy and grace will not cover the sins of others it will not cover mine or yours.

I have decided to let God be God and I will just be me!

Bodean, Tulsa (7/2/2009 6:46:11 PM)

Monster comment CIO. Well said!

Teddy Bear 1975, Eufaula (7/2/2009 6:53:01 PM)

I support her. Good Job. Keep it up.

Lanceman, Broken Arrow (7/2/2009 6:53:35 PM)

Rep Kern: Your "Proclamation" is a complete misuse of your time (taxpayer funded time)to promote Christianity. You obviously have no intention of fairly representing ALL of your constituents...I feel sorry for any residents in your district who are Jewish or Muslim or of any other faith, because you obviously do not feel the need to value them or even consider them. Congratulations! You achieved your goal of getting your name in the paper...this is a nice publicity stunt... and of course, I'm sure you will complain of "persecution" with all of the negative feedback you are receiving...but cmon, admit it..this is what you wanted...Can you please get back to work on real issues that affect Oklahomans?

Bodean, Tulsa (7/2/2009 7:04:07 PM)

Mike S, (7/2/2009 5:18:58 PM)

I tried to sign the petition with my REAL name (Erasmus B. Draggen), but I couldn't get past the Pay-Pal page without making a donation. Go figure. Where have we seen this before?

You know who I really have sympathy for are the Christians who have a clear understanding of the bible and have their head squarely planted on their shoulders. I'm not embarrassed by Sally, but I would bet that most of them are.

Kryptonite, Lowcash Oklahoma (7/2/2009 8:15:43 PM)

Jesus himself is ashamed of Sally "Give Her Some Valium" Kern! How do I know? Cause he told me so. I suspect the "true believers" should not have a problem with it!

tao4mind, Enid (7/2/2009 8:30:29 PM)

Brokeback Mountain boys. Let her have the freedom of speach. I watch your cross dress parades.

zzx375, BA (7/2/2009 9:18:56 PM)

Is this story Government, State, or Religion? Which is it?

Bedazzled, (7/2/2009 11:09:21 PM)

Sally Kerns doesn't mean well and she knows exactly what she is doing. I am a Christian and this stuff is scary that she can influence people in this manner. She is the terrorist of our world. This woman is dangerous to our society. I want to know what she will do to help Oklahoma fix our roads, streets, bridges, schools, help fund more police on the street with the underfunded budget from eight years plus and this crisis. I am not worried about her extreme and scary wedges issues. They don't help my family pay the bills with the high cost of insurance, and everything else.

She thinks this will help her in Oklahoma because people here want that sort of stuff. This could just backfire on this woman. This incites problems we do not need at this time in our lives when people are trying to figure out how to feed their families or take medicine.

Bedazzled, (7/2/2009 11:10:37 PM)

Wedge issues

Bedazzled, (7/2/2009 11:15:03 PM)

Lanceman hit this one on the nailhead.

Bedazzled, (7/2/2009 11:17:35 PM)

I am a Christian and this woman does not represent me at all. I did not grow up with this sort of stuff.

remarkable, (7/2/2009 11:23:09 PM)

Thank you Lady Kern. !! You put a smile on God's face today.

Bedazzled, (7/2/2009 11:29:16 PM)

Remarkable - I don't thank that God is smiling.

Skeptic, Tulsa (7/2/2009 11:36:09 PM)

No remarkable, God just passed gas. Sally gives him heartburn!

Skeptic, Tulsa (7/2/2009 11:36:32 PM)

He told me.

cathy-scott, Tulsa (7/3/2009 4:16:29 AM)

Sally Kern is a minister for Satan. She practices deceit from the Master of Deceit by call moral practices (ie gay marriage) immoral. She is most likely the Anti-Christ come to work evil in Oklahoma and other places filled with the filthy sin of so-called fundamentalist christians,but these people are anything but real Christians since they do the work of Satan.

rdhm, (7/3/2009 5:20:09 AM)

Kern is right the church should do more, Like PAY TAXES!

seymore1965, Tulsa (7/3/2009 6:00:48 AM)

She needs to lose her office. I'm tired of seeing her headlines. I don't read the stories because I know it's a bunch of junk.

Cool Tool, roswell (7/3/2009 7:19:55 AM)

Hardly anyone attends church in Europe and they have far fewer people in prisons than does the U.S. of A. How does that happen?

Ron Ballew, Lawton (7/3/2009 7:20:29 AM)

Homosexual marriage is immoral and is condemned in the Bible and in society. Homosexual activity is adultry and fornication that spreads disease, destroys the family, and permanently injures the individuals involved.

Society should combat homosexual marriage, adultry, and fornication, not promote it.

Skeptic, Tulsa (7/3/2009 7:47:06 AM)

"__________________ is immoral and is condemned in the Bible and in society. - Ron Ballew

Wickedly judgmental people like Sally Kern and you have been using that line to condemn anything they don't approve of. Just fill in the blank.

Your numbers are dwindling Ron. You and Sally think that making headlines proves there is merit to your condemnation of others. History will prove you wrong.

You two are a dying breed. R.I.P.

Dr. Strangelove, Tulsa (7/3/2009 7:58:52 AM)

What an idiot. I don't know which is more embarassing, Sally Kern, or the people that elected her.

justiceawaits, Claremore (7/3/2009 8:08:52 AM)

I think she means well, the old testament gives several instances where society has fallen into chaos when we deviate from gods laws.
On the other hand we have people like Davis Koresh and Jim Jones who serve as examples of what happens when we take religion too seriously.
I for one would like to see religion left in the churches and our politicians taking care of the states business, like trying to draw jobs to Oklahoma, appropriating money to fix our roads and bridges,provide funding for police and fire departments, and balancing the budget,etc...

Tough but Fair, COWETA (7/3/2009 8:49:30 AM)

Maybe so, but her forum should be the pulpit or as a private citizen. We have a constitution that clearly states that we shall be free from religion in our government. Get it? This is the crux of the problem, and she and the gang she rode in with need to be stopped from this defiant mockery. This is the kind of behavior that makes Americans look like fools in the world when we spout our freedoms and cite our constitutional government as the "best in the world". It is that, and I have spent 20 years living in several foreign country (many of which really do have a better grip on problems than we do, but that's an argument for another day); nevertheless, she is interjecting her beliefs on government time, and is drawing government wages to do so, paid for by taxpayers - each one of whom is protected under the Constitution from having government representatives declare any religion over us. This woman must go.

Signed, Card-carrying Republican Christian

Haleeluya, (7/3/2009 8:50:57 AM)

What we need here is a bible toting christian who will lock anyone who ain't no Christian up in a jail cell especially all them gays. Then we can get our bibles and pass a law to make sure it's the only accepted book in the country and burn everything else. God would laughhhh! And the Baby Jesus too. Then we can gather them up and send them to like a summer camp or something to git rid of them all at once. Praised be the lord and bless (gov.) Sally and her gay son!!! God bless a gay free America! (Except Sallys son, he's cool).

Haleeluya, (7/3/2009 9:01:17 AM)

Mr. GoodBob FOR PRESIDENT!!! All those on favor, say ay.

papajohn, henryetta (7/3/2009 9:04:01 AM)

What,we don't need morality in the Government? As for gay's if you don't want to view them as immoral, seems to me, you do have to believe them to be unarural,or against nature,since the main purpose of a union in nature is to prcreate the species.

Nan33, Tulsa (7/3/2009 9:25:22 AM)

papajohn, we have 5 billion people on earth. Why do we need to procreate the species. Perhaps mother nature is telling us we have too many.

History tells me that when religion, even Christianity, has power the leaders become brutal and they then use God's name in vain...think "Crusades". Think about the Salem Witch trials, there are too many to mention. I am positive most people, who comment here, can come up with more injustices that have been afflicted upon the masses in the name of "God".

insider9909, Cushing (7/3/2009 9:31:23 AM)

Is Kern's son gay? That would be interesting!!

Pastor Rich, Tulsa (7/3/2009 9:33:44 AM)

Therefore God exalted Him (Jesus) to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed- not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence— continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. Do everything without complaining or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe as you hold out the Word of Life.

Philippians 2:9-16a

gtopor, Tulsa (7/3/2009 9:38:25 AM)

I am actually starting to feel sorry for legitimate Republicans... Like it or not, they get grouped in with these insane zealots.

rdhm, (7/3/2009 9:48:43 AM)

Last time I checked we lived in a country that we could worship the way we want to worship. Oh! I forgot we live in Oklahoma! That doesn't apply here!

davfromm, (7/3/2009 10:05:57 AM)

I have a curse for Silly Sally and all her followers: May they get what they wish for...

The year is 2024 and Governor Kern has been Head Inquisitor and Defender of the Faith for 20 years. On a quiet neighborhood street in south Tulsa, Joe Bob prepares to spend a peaceful Sunday afternoon at his favorite pastime. Flipping on the big screen tv in the living room and tuning into the game, he settles in his big comfy recliner and carefully balances a can of beer on his belly. Just as he digs his hand into the 8 quart bowl of potato chips at his side the front door is smashed open and falls to the floor in a tangle of splinters and dust. When the haze clears Joe Bob sees to his horror that he has been discovered by Trooper Martin, transferred from the OHP to the Oklahoma Christian Taliban. Joe Bob is unceremoniously hauled downtown to the former BOK Center, now the Kern Center for Spiritual Readjustment. Joe Bob is shackled to one of the endless rows of pews. In the darkened room, the only perceptible light is the huge viewing screen. The face of Dear Leader Sally Kern, the harsh light glinting off her steel framed glasses, fills the screen....

Thankfulpeach, Somewhere Over the Rainbow (7/3/2009 10:11:12 AM)

I thought every birth was a miracle, no matter the circumstances surrounding it. Illegitimate?
The American Adoption Congress website has excellent info. regarding the harm done by women and children in the name of "shame" by society.
Read "The Girls Who Went Away" by Ann Fessler.
Or "The Baby Thief" by Barbara Bizant Raymond.

Thankfulpeach, Somewhere Over the Rainbow (7/3/2009 10:12:12 AM)

I meant to say "harm done TO women and children in the name of 'shame' by society"...

CowboyBobDog, Creek Cty (7/3/2009 10:29:54 AM)

Erasmus B. Draggen said "You know who I really have sympathy for are the Christians who have a clear understanding of the bible and have their head squarely planted on their shoulders. I'm not embarrassed by Sally, but I would bet that most of them are."

There are many who would argue that I don't have my head on straight, but I AM embarrassed by the circus that is going on with Sally Wally and her friends. I guess you could say that what she is doing is a boner if she thinks the majority of christians think her 'grandstanding' is in the proper venue.

(Bobdog offers treats to Bodeans brood of puppies.)

apollo, (7/3/2009 10:37:46 AM)

davfromm I liked your story but if the year is 2024 and she as been the governor for 20 years that means she was elected in 2004? Why do they break down the door?

davfromm, (7/3/2009 10:44:31 AM)

I meant to hit the 3 key instead of the 2 key. Joe Bob should have been in church on Sunday. Sorry about the confusion, I really should proofread before I hit the submit key

born okay the 1st time, tulsa (7/3/2009 10:53:30 AM)

She said protesters who interrupted the ceremony were "intolerant" of others.
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pot, meet kettle.

Dr_Doom, Latveria (7/3/2009 11:03:49 AM)

Judeo-Christian McCarthism

Wulf, Tulsa area (7/3/2009 11:12:32 AM)

Ugh... I nayer thought anything would make me want to leave Oklahoma... I was wrong.

ajohnb, Jenks (7/3/2009 11:13:12 AM)

So, people are protesting against morality?

Interesting.

Thunder196, Tulsa (7/3/2009 11:23:20 AM)

I thought it was interesting, where it says "the protesters did not have a permit." Does that mean if you were there to "support" this, you didn't need a permit to assemble?

Ayo, T-Town (7/3/2009 11:26:42 AM)

Have any of you thought that just maybe God is sending a message to America; one nutjob and one hypocrite at at time.

SC Governor Sanford, and Ensign: Do as I say not as I do. That equals hypocrisy. "Clinton should resign for playing around with an Intern, but I think it's okay for me to remain Governor of SC even after using state funds to pay for a trip out of the country to ___ my 'soulmate".

Wow. Just wow.

Alabama legislator Sessions: Bigot...I really don't think Jesus was ever a bigot or a racist. Did Jesus have a separate table for the prostitutes and people of color? OH yeah!!! Jesus was from the desert, he WAS a colored person!

Sally Kern: Bonafide nutjob. This woman has just thrown gasoline on the Republican fire. These type of politicians are putting the final nails in the Republican coffin.

The moderate, fiscally conservative or moderate Republicans are getting trapped in their brimstone and fire.
For those who do believe in God, it very well could be he is sending a message for those of you to stop with the hypocrisy, and bigotry. A nutjob is a nutjob and there isn't much anyone can do about them expect smile and be nice. They are to be pitied.

Ayo, T-Town (7/3/2009 11:29:39 AM)

'expect' should be except

Bigbadbri, Broken Arrow (7/3/2009 12:02:15 PM)

Is whack-job hyphenated? I can never remember.

SnowNinja, Tulsa (7/3/2009 1:23:13 PM)

Sally Kern great instigator of the American Inquisition.

drudge2, Tulsa (7/3/2009 2:29:30 PM)

Dear Lord, thank you for not smiting Sally earlier. We know it is your wish to show Americans that the conservative movement has been hijacked by intolerant lunatics. By allowing this nutjob to speak out and often Americans are quickly learning that the conservative movement is in a permanent vegetative state. Thank you, Lord. Thy will be done.

sirwinston, (7/3/2009 2:34:30 PM)

Can we burn her at the stakes yet? Geez I can't wait until this woman either dies from old age or is voted out. She needs to keep her religious views to herself.

born okay the 1st time, tulsa (7/3/2009 2:47:08 PM)

"A nutjob is a nutjob and there isn't much anyone can do about them expect smile and be nice. They are to be pitied."

Only problem is some ignorant voters put her into power over us...VOTE HER OUT

MisterSmith, (7/3/2009 2:56:25 PM)

An embarassment to the state. The problem with government is not that is too big or too small. The problem with government is that we elect people like her.

Edgar, Norman, (7/3/2009 2:59:46 PM)

The crazy train has left the station.

McParty, Tulsa (7/3/2009 3:41:07 PM)

Someone please convince this lady to step down, retire, go away. Please just stop making Oklahoma look like it's full of fools. Inhoff and Coburn have that job already!!

marine2.0, (7/3/2009 4:49:36 PM)

We believe our economic woes are consequences of our greater national moral crisis," the proclamation states. "This nation has become a world leader in promoting abortion, pornography, same sex marriage, sex trafficking, divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse, and many other forms of debauchery."

I agree that she maybe extreme but unfortunately she is right on the money. We have the worst public school system in history. I challenge everyone to go into a secondary public school and then vist a prison. See if you can tell the difference in the students actions, mannerisms or speech compared to the convicts. People care more about a drug overdosed pop star than they do about their freedom being eroded by the liars and con artist in Washington.
Look at the popular music, C-rap. It is all about money, treating women like possessions, drugs, crime,and rebellion to authority. Most parents don't agree with any of the garbage of this music but yet continuously purchase it for thier children.
Look at the garbage on MTV. Put a bunch of people together, liquer them up and then watch them fight. A show called 16 and pregnant.(are they freaking joking)
ACLU steps up to defend terrorist and NAMBLA (men who sleep with underage boys). They will use all resources to stop the posting of the Ten Commandments.
I wish all you that speak so highly regarding the COTUS in regards to "seperation of church and state" would also step up to defend the COTUS against this current administration as they attempt to erode our individual rights.

my view, Sand Springs (7/3/2009 5:30:05 PM)

I don't understand the problem, those without morals don't have to sign on if they don't want too.

marine2.0, (7/3/2009 7:11:33 PM)

tough but fair, you should sign your posts RINO.
Go join Arlen Spector. You have no clue what the Republican party stands for.

You could also go back to those "more knowledgable" foreign countries you lived in.I am sure you could easily get back, I doubt that they have millions of people fighting to live there.

human1, Cast your fate to the wind (7/3/2009 7:50:15 PM)

Do republicans have to take a course in religious political posturing!

born okay the 1st time, tulsa (7/3/2009 8:23:36 PM)

human 1, not all republicans are like that. Most of us are normal , its nutjobs like her that make all of us look bad. Kind of the same way with Dems tho....
A great man once said....
"Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other."

Royce, Tulsa (7/3/2009 10:06:51 PM)

There was a time when Americans embraced a standard of morality, but that's not the case any more.

We now joyfully exercise our Constitutionally protected right to be utterly depraved.

Was it Bill Clinton who made us this way?

historiophiliac, (7/3/2009 10:32:51 PM)

Mr. Goodbob, that was brilliant, hilarious, and inspiring. I gladly sign your compact (representing all four of the sinful groups you name). :)

By the way, all, Article I Section I-2 of the Oklahoma Constitution states:
"Perfect toleration of religious sentiment shall be secured, and no inhabitant of the State shall ever be molested in person or property on account of his or her mode of religious worship; and no
religious test shall be required for the exercise of civil or political rights. Polygamous or plural marriages are forever prohibited."

Ms. Kern, please note that you are violating the Oklahoma Constitution by threatening our perfect tolerance of religious sentiment and that same-sex marriage -- unlike plural marriage -- was actually not prohibited by our "Founding Fathers."

historiophiliac, (7/3/2009 10:50:54 PM)

P.S. So sorry I will be missing the 2009 Reclaim Oklahoma for Christ Conference, as I will be with the debauchers at Dfest that weekend. :)

Polar Bear, (7/3/2009 11:08:14 PM)

How come destroying the environment is not a sin Sally??

d van, Tulsa (7/3/2009 11:33:46 PM)

Typical Tulsa World bad journalism:

No mention of how few conta-protesters there really were.

Well over 200 citizens make an orderly event and TW finds a few lefties and make it look like they're the groundswell movement.

tintulsa, Okmulgee (7/4/2009 2:34:39 AM)

Shame on District 84 for voting this church lady from the nether regions into office. I thought OKC was a little more foward thinking than that.

Her website sums it up with the lead-off of "KERNservative". I guess humility is something she's seriously lacking in, as well as compassion and understanding. Well Sally, we all don't live in your narrow minded little underworld.

Ms. Kern; you are pathetic in your attempt at at staying in the news at the cost of Oklahoma's reputation to try to further your political career. Spew all the hatred you want, it just exposes your true self to everyone outside the 84th district!

52favoriteteacher, Washburn--used to be Broken Arrow (7/4/2009 7:32:30 AM)

Only 250 supporters

How sad...

52favoriteteacher, Washburn--used to be Broken Arrow (7/4/2009 7:37:16 AM)

Exactly where were all the anti God crowd anyway?

Want more freedom?

Keep doing what you are doing Sara Beam of Tulsa...

The good Lord is very full of grace.

52favoriteteacher, Washburn--used to be Broken Arrow (7/4/2009 9:13:57 AM)

God Bless America

Thank God 4 Freedom

Pizzagirl, Tulsa (7/4/2009 11:56:38 AM)

I think she forgot she's supposed to be barefoot pregnant and makin' her man a sammich.

Pizzagirl, Tulsa (7/4/2009 11:59:12 AM)

Royce:
Morality is what we determine, always been like that. Just some of it is ALWAYS a good idea(No murdering) while some of it isn't stone a gay/rebellious child/witch/etc)

Tough but Fair, COWETA (7/4/2009 12:11:34 PM)

Classic uneducated OKIE redneck politican - confusing "moral" with "Christian religious dogma".

Why can't we elect officials in this state who have a decent education? Is it because we require only a high school education for legislators?
H-m-m-m.

Main Entry: mor·al
Pronunciation: \'mo?r-?l, 'mär-\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin moralis, from mor-, mos custom
Date: 14th century
Of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior: ethical;moral judgments; b: expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior;a moral poem; c: conforming to a standard of right behavior; d: sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgment;a moral obligation; e: capable of right and wrong action;a moral agent
2: probable though not proved: virtual;a moral certainty
3: perceptual or psychological rather than tangible or practical in nature or effect;a moral victory;moral support
— mor·al·ly \-?-le\ adverb
Synonyms moral: ethical, virtuous, noble mean conforming to a standard of what is right and good. Moral implies conformity to established sanctioned codes or accepted notions of right and wrong;the basic moral values of a community. Ethical may suggest the involvement of more difficult or subtle questions of rightness, fairness, or equity;committed to the highest ethical principles. Virtuous implies moral excellence in character;not a religious person, but virtuous nevertheless. Noble implies moral eminence and freedom from anything petty, mean, or dubious in conduct and character;had the noblest of reasons for seeking office.

52favoriteteacher, Washburn--used to be Broken Arrow (7/8/2009 11:18:14 AM)

Church Lady

You should probably gear up for 2012 and run with

Sarah. She has some balls also...

Tim Denver, Denver (7/11/2009 8:49:32 AM)

Cooldaddy said "Sally Kern means well. She has a solid point in what she's saying."

Yeah, well, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong meant well, too.